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謝謝 謝謝部長那針對的本日議程現在開始詢答先做以下的宣告每位出席的委員我們花言的時間是8分鐘必要的時候得延長2分鐘每位列席的委員花言的時間是5分鐘那我們就不再延長了今天早上10點開始截止花言的登記那本次會議委員若有相關的修正動議請10點"},{"start":3221.834,"end":3241.213,"text":"10點以前送到主席台那現在我們依登記的順序請登記第一位林德虎委員質詢謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長好 請莊部長"},{"start":3249.761,"end":3274.275,"text":"委員長部長早部長我請教因為稅收超徵創新高那兩個禮拜前對於本黨主張全民普發現金一萬元那本席也在總質詢的時候建議行政院提出對岸送立法院來討論卓院長當時也表示會朝這個方向來走"},{"start":3275.616,"end":3296.963,"text":"但是根據上個禮拜一 財委會舉辦的稅收超徵 還稅移民的公聽會財政部提出三大理由 反對的事態演進請問部長 財政部是不是吃了襯托 鐵了心 不甩卓院長的看法"},{"start":3298.663,"end":3309.092,"text":"跟委員報告首先對於我們的稅客收入優於預期那我們第一個當然是要減少舉債然後增加還債剩下的會到稅計剩餘去那如果在維持我們的財政的量能而且能夠保有財政韌性我們有餘的這個稅計剩餘要怎麼樣的運用那委員那一天在總諮詢也有提到您有相關的草案提案"},{"start":3323.163,"end":3347.965,"text":"那也認為說行政院可以提出相關的對談但是你們沒有提出來啊對那這個部分呢至於怎麼樣的運用那一天院長也說了會再考量而且會研議那我想這部分的運用行政院也在考量但是他是說朝這個方向去走朝這個方向第一個就是我們要考量國家長遠的一個發展第二個就是說第一個我們國家真正的需要施政的優先順序譬如說"},{"start":3349.126,"end":3368.631,"text":"增強國防的自主能力或照顧民生照顧弱勢等等各種措施可以來做考量那今年國防各方面也都有增加預算啊對那這個部分我想這個部分行政院會就國家整體的一個發展來看這個財政要怎麼樣的做合理有效的運用還是那個莊部長是"},{"start":3369.051,"end":3392.488,"text":"你跟卓院長是不是扮演黑白臉啊在國會殿堂對全民打假球啊會不會這種狀況沒有這樣的一個情況沒有沒有這個情況而且有關相關的稅計剩餘也就是說稅收超過預期跟財政有剩餘這個是兩件事應該要等到決算以後才真正能夠算出這樣一個數據來那至於怎麼樣的運用我覺得會從國家整體發展來再考量"},{"start":3395.93,"end":3422.325,"text":"好 那我請教你對於在野黨提出普發現金財政部有三大理由來反對甚至於把普發現金貼上環稅漁民常態化的標籤那本席有幾點疑問我來請教部長112年為了普發現金財政部當時的主張與全民共享過去經濟發展的成果整體所需的經費將以稅計勝於支應"},{"start":3425.68,"end":3442.834,"text":"不會增加舉借債務甚至於還進一步來表示財政部配合國家發展的需要妥適應用財政政策來維繫整個經濟的穩定成長"},{"start":3445.516,"end":3471.21,"text":"並利用經濟成長來帶動稅收的增長適時來增加還債所以普發現金有理那我請問部長為何114年的今天明明超增稅收比111年還要多那在野黨提出普發現金就變成破壞財政紀律就變成舉債發現金的餘率"},{"start":3474.992,"end":3487.057,"text":"進一步來說難道112年113年政府舉債過多沒有積極來還債所以才反對普發現金你的看法呢"},{"start":3488.514,"end":3512.922,"text":"跟委員說明第一個113年的稅客收入就屬於中央的部分並沒有比111年來的高111年屬於中央部分是4,002億但是在113年屬於中央的是3,757億所以沒有比111年高第二個普發現金不宜常態化這個部分是我們一直主張的也就是說"},{"start":3514.442,"end":3537.336,"text":"這個普發現金當時有它的社會背景也就112年的時候我們行政院訂定了一個疫後強化經濟跟社會韌性全民共享經濟成果成果的特別條例在裡面有普發現金每人6000元那個時候第一個是因為經過疫情那在疫情期間呢因為台灣的防疫工作做得非常的好所以我們的製造業沒有停工整個經濟發展經濟的成果非常的亮眼那第二"},{"start":3542.659,"end":3560.403,"text":"另外呢有一些產業事實上也有受到疫情的衝擊所以這個部分應該要強化整個經濟跟社會的韌性所以把經濟成長的果實也和全民來共享我想那個當時有這樣的一個背景部長著是心扉啦金扉財政部對普發現金的立場會不會讓人產生這種這個著是金扉的這種錯覺會不會"},{"start":3568.287,"end":3593.045,"text":"不會喔不會因為我們一直認為說這個稅款超過預期是因為經濟成長以及去年來說是股市熱絡那這些這個超過預期這個稅款在相關的法制裡面不管預算法或公共債務法都有已經有明確的規定都有明確規定那至於普發現金這個部分112年有當時他的一個政策他112年是不是1213舉債過多是不是這個樣子嗎"},{"start":3597.208,"end":3624.167,"text":"沒有舉債過多我們積極的還債其實我們的債務比例已經一直在下降已經到但是過去一兆八千多億才還多少而已到113年是25.8的債務比例遠跟40.6是差距很大的那個部長反對還稅移民常態化請問部長對於常態化的先決條件是不是要在超增稅收的條件下才有可能是不是"},{"start":3624.847,"end":3629.831,"text":"如果監察院在110年的調查報告指出來特別預算有常態化的現象並提到特別預算有胡編破壞整個預算體制的事情"},{"start":3643.7,"end":3655.553,"text":"那請問部長行政院的特別預算有常態化的餘率難道就不會有破壞財政紀律長期影響整個政府債務的餘率嗎難道這個就不會嗎"},{"start":3659.237,"end":3684.373,"text":"一個總預算和特別預算它兩者是相輔相成那預算法裡面也有規定因應國家的一個重大特殊的事故或推動了重大的政事可以編列特別預算那這個特別預算呢它是一個長期一個比較多年期的一個是分年來做而且它的舉債都要跟總預算一樣舉債都要納入該縣的管制它不會去突破這個債務的控管"},{"start":3684.713,"end":3705.444,"text":"像那個特別預算新竹那個棒球場原來只2億最後又撥了10億的特別預算給他這個是應該的嗎對不對部長去年本席曾經問你啦美國總統川普今年1月上任後可能將推動高關稅境內減稅等政策新"},{"start":3706.545,"end":3720.32,"text":"新政成真之後財政部要如何面對市場波動與負面的影響當時你說未來各項稅務政策何時會落實實施強度又如何"},{"start":3722.302,"end":3739.295,"text":"對應相關國家為何財政部都會密切的觀察那我請問部長川普上任到今天剛好兩個月從財政主管業務的內容來說你認為有哪些層面受影響哪些層面影響最大"},{"start":3741.348,"end":3757,"text":"委員報告那川普上任以後有一些相關的關稅措施比如說對等關稅對等關稅到目前為止其實也沒有相關的具體實施的內容但是呢政府部門行政部門並不會鬆懈我們持續的在關注他所發布的相關的關稅的一些"},{"start":3761.644,"end":3779.184,"text":"政策也好或者是說相關的一些記錄也好而我們會研擬相關的一些方案同時財政部內部也會去盤點有關從美國進口也好或者是我們出口到美國的相關的貨品以及我們的關稅稅率跟美方的關稅稅率是如何我們這個部分都已經清點了"},{"start":3781.311,"end":3793.47,"text":"部長 從台美租稅協定洽簽的時程來看你認為減少雙重課稅對台的對等性 公平性會不會因為川普的美國優先的論調而產生變化 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亂來啊我們本席在財政委會今年是第14年啦我們的舉債上限曾經高達38點多 將近上限40.6誰 馬政府時代"},{"start":4154.158,"end":4173.293,"text":"那當然因為我們的經濟總體成長一直在成長這幾年來財政狀況有變得比較好所以我們的舉債的那個比例佔GDP一直在下降現在只佔前三年這個GDP平均數的25.8%這是你剛講的當年的38點多那是差多少差了十幾個百分點"},{"start":4181.653,"end":4205.321,"text":"然後現在可以睜眼說瞎話說以前的財政狀況就很好現在財政狀況就很差先有立場在講話就先設見在畫靶我覺得這樣也不好就事論事所以我是覺得說你也很委屈因為我知道有一些民意代表很強勢你這邊如果你敢跟他回嘴說這有違憲之嫌恐怕他就不會放你乾休了但是我可以講"},{"start":4209.283,"end":4234.04,"text":"一樣大家都是委員我在看這就是違憲那至於該不該補發現金或是該不該發消費券其實歷屆政府都有馬政府時代也有蔡政府時代也有但是一個共同的特點都是行政機關行政權根據當時的社會需要去思考去研究之後來決定該不該發這才是正辦嘛"},{"start":4238.679,"end":4258.099,"text":"歷來都是這樣做嘛這就是我們台灣為什麼要有憲法的原因啊大家要照憲法走啊 不然就亂了套啦那再來 現在儀美論很多啊川普上任之後 他講的叫做對等關稅其實以我的觀點來看喔對等關稅反而對台灣有利啊"},{"start":4262.342,"end":4285.65,"text":"為什麼呢因為台灣以前被惡霸中華人民共和國打壓很多的國際之間的條約都沒辦法參加國際之間的關稅領域什麼RCEP或是說什麼東南亞關貿協定都不讓我們參加都是因為政治上的原因所以台灣的廠商才會在20年前20幾年前要"},{"start":4287.19,"end":4303.792,"text":"平民外移主要是移到中國去原因就是在這個地方他因為政治的因素打壓台灣的立場所以台灣這個國家的製造業他比較辛苦他常常他的關稅比跟他競爭的國家比起來是比較高的"},{"start":4304.827,"end":4309.891,"text":"那如果確實能夠落實對等關稅的話所謂對等關稅就是我們課美國多少關稅美國課我們多少關稅定義上是這樣那當然細節是要經過兩國之間的會商跟談判如果這樣子我們在關稅上就不會被競爭國家佔便宜"},{"start":4325.424,"end":4352.919,"text":"中國的鋼鋁美國不是要給他課關稅嗎說要課25%關稅嗎那一個禮拜中鋼應聲大漲奇怪了對他們課關稅為什麼中鋼會大漲原因是因為我們以前就是在繳25%的關稅啊那現在他把它拉到25%我們競爭地位就平等了嘛所以我們跟這個競爭的時候我們在外銷社競爭的時候就變成對台灣有利"},{"start":4354.065,"end":4380.218,"text":"所以有的人是先 反正我討厭川普啦我看他在支持台灣 他在對付中國 他很不爽他就找了一對一個理由 從中國那邊發動以美論然後利用各種的管道滲透到台灣來讓大家都知道 是不是美國對我們很不好美國有對我們不好嗎我們每一年給人家貿易順差700多億 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請問你 這樣要怎麼辦張三理事會的差勁 去亞利桑那裡回來只課250的稅啊我在這裡傻傻的在這裡工作 就課一千萬的稅假如年薪都是一千萬 怎麼講委員 這個雞蒸的食物我是不是請署長來做署長可以啊 送署長"},{"start":4713.457,"end":4739.29,"text":"報告委員因為台積電的子公司所僱用的員工他是在美國提供勞務所以他會變美國的來源所得美國會去課稅簡單講他是講美國的所以他美國的稅沒有比台灣輕這是第一點第二點他海外所得要不要課稅要看他是不是台灣的居住者如果他已經改變身份已經變成是美國的居住者不是台灣的他沒有最低稅負的問題"},{"start":4740.33,"end":4758.427,"text":"沒有啊 我當然 我剛去一定是台灣人啊 怎麼會呢其實先去那裡工作也是先綠卡 那個一定要是台灣人啊要看他們有沒有符合 報稅要報台灣的稅啊 怎麼會報美國的稅除非他還真的要轉成公民 那好幾年咧不會馬上變美國公民啦 不會的事啦"},{"start":4759.568,"end":4771.658,"text":"我在美國你給我說得很清楚的哪有時候去的工作馬上變美國人先拿綠卡綠卡的時候還是台灣人啦是是是所以我說要看居住者就有這個問題啊我現在告訴你們你們都沒想過就有這個問題"},{"start":4774.901,"end":4795.741,"text":"他就在那裡即便讓你課了稅他一樣其他的地方可以匯回來台灣裡面750萬是免稅的這裡面就有空檔了就這些人就有空檔了這個你就少收了很多稅就這樣跟你說好 謝謝提醒是因為他在國際你都在想我這個問題的拜託你是補稅署長都沒在想這個問題"},{"start":4798.904,"end":4812.156,"text":"報告委員 其實在國際間重重稅 課稅這一定產生的嘛所以 下一項問題來 部長啊就很重要的避免雙重課稅不然的話 你在這裡承諾我們才兩年啊"},{"start":4813.957,"end":4840.785,"text":"大概每一個咕咕咕都沒有要躺在美國餐飲院原來中醫院 你說 哇 好樂觀喔哇讚 多哇讚好像你那時候第一次回答我的時候是前年的9月 10月就要通過了到現在今年3月了叫咕咕咕啊 你知道不是咕咕咕的意思吧我了解咕咕咕就是那個雞蛋嚇不出來叫咕咕咕啊"},{"start":4842.442,"end":4847.708,"text":"跟委員報告,其實這個部分的工作,我們財政部的同仁和美方的財政部同仁其實一直就國際文書的內容,我們相互進行,有關技術性的一些討論都持續在進行但是美國國會的生態,你們也知道他們去年年底分局然後這一次的新國會上任,也很快通過了ADTA的兩個法案"},{"start":4866.026,"end":4877.259,"text":"這個另外他們國內當然他們也有政治上的一些考量譬如說現在參議院他們是在做有關川普新革員的一關有關認證的會議大家都知道因為現在川普2.0 黨內部會議的關稅的不夠補薩薩沒有時間搞你這個啦 所以"},{"start":4886.028,"end":4906.853,"text":"部長 再給你一次機會 你告訴我 什麼時候可以有望千層啊今年有沒有可能 今年 今年跟委方 我想不管是總統員或院長在各種場合都不斷地在跟提起這個事情同時我們的外交部 美方的TECRO也都"},{"start":4907.413,"end":4911.676,"text":"也都一直積極的在跟美國的國會在進行溝通時間的話這個時間其實真的不是掌握在美方他們的一個整個審議的一個進程那我們會積極的溝通不管經濟部也好或者是外交部也好都在努力"},{"start":4926.963,"end":4955.329,"text":"川普講的台積電不是投資一千億美金是兩千億美金而且亞利桑那的那個那個州長是女的就在台灣他把這個一些supply供應面的廠商都找來啦歡迎你們在這裡投資啊亞利桑那是秒不勝斷的地方啊現在不得了了有TSMC在那裡整個supply chain整個破亡層變成一個"},{"start":4956.861,"end":4976.158,"text":"變成一個叫什麼 也不是鳳凰城啦 阿里隆啦 鳳凰城是capitol阿里隆變成一個阿台積電城阿里隆的台積電城變成這個樣子 整片都是喔這麼多廠商在那裡你們這個稅務要趕快解決的話這個影響很大耶 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駝子輝我們來往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸淡淡再往下看下一個"},{"start":7544.691,"end":7569.843,"text":"我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊"},{"start":7570.663,"end":7596.216,"text":"第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以"},{"start":7597.517,"end":7619.226,"text":"他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台獨書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙"},{"start":7620.266,"end":7648.903,"text":"有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由任總在邀請相關機關延伤當中任總的態度是支持還反對任總第一個先就生育補助我待會回去問任總好您可以再跟任總我幫忙你問任總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主題站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公平報告可以嗎"},{"start":7653.686,"end":7659.95,"text":"請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應"},{"start":7680.643,"end":7699.373,"text":"行政院能不能在一個月內完成我們不敢把握但是我們一定提書面報告我反過來 你希望我多久幫你推動成那我當然希望委員越快越好我都給你兩個月 要不然給我兩個月你希望立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功好不好好 謝謝謝謝嘉賓委員接著我們請顏寬恒委員質詢"},{"start":7705.233,"end":7716.659,"text":"我想這個對公股銀行其實是一個很大的鼓勵這個公股銀行都招募不到員工了,是很大的一個困境我覺得不是立法院要加油,行政院也要加油"},{"start":7718.118,"end":7743.154,"text":"主席 各位烈士官員大家早主席有請財政部莊部長好 財政部莊部長寬恆借我幾秒鐘我那個宣布一下我們這個楊瓊英楊瓊英委員花言那個結束以後我們休息五分鐘那個時間暫停然後再補上去是 謝謝委員也謝謝朝委為我們的國營銀行同仁爭取相關的福利 謝謝好 謝謝主席 部長早"},{"start":7747.987,"end":7776.329,"text":"部長新會期房屋稅2.0新制的實施我們看到付稅署發布的訊息截至3月13日全台還有97萬戶符合自住房屋資格但是還沒有辦妥涉及作業那離期限3月24號只剩下4天目前還有多少用戶的民眾尚未涉及能不能請部長在這邊說明一下更清這個房屋稅2.0新制的一個狀況"},{"start":7778.049,"end":7792.973,"text":"我想先跟委員報告房屋稅2.0是從去年的7月1號開始施行那今年的5月開始按新制再開徵那這個部分的重點的內容呢就是單一自住的話我們的稅率從1.2可以降到1%"},{"start":7795.474,"end":7817.091,"text":"當然扣除豪宅的部分那另外就是對於沒有做有效利用的部分我們就會做全國歸戶然後按照差額稅率來差額稅率來克制而且每個地方政府都要這樣做那剛剛委員所關切就是說現在用自住的一個稅率的話必須要涉戶期那這個部分地方政府各個地方政府都非常積極跟努力的在宣導"},{"start":7817.751,"end":7840.478,"text":"那目前還有到2月20號的話還有97萬戶還沒有完全設齊那目前來說應該還會往下降因為到3月24號那未來等到開徵以後我們可能會有一些彈性的措施讓它真正符合自住的民眾可以不要因為這個期限而受到影響但是還是要有期限希望他們趕快來"},{"start":7842.018,"end":7858.232,"text":"我再請教部長新上路的房屋租金抵稅新制新制將房屋租金改為特別扣除額單身租屋主最高可減抵7000多元"},{"start":7859.033,"end":7878.927,"text":"家庭租屋主最多12,290元這是一個好的政策啦我認為說財政部這邊還是沒有想到租屋市場的一個根本問題就是租屋黑市的問題房客為了要避免租金調漲甚至於說被房東刁難的一個風險所以不敢冒險去得罪房東"},{"start":7880.107,"end":7909.087,"text":"根據這個租屋聯盟所做的租屋狀況調查54.2%的租屋主因為房東拒絕或者是害怕遭受房東不利對待而無法使用租金抵稅還有超過20%的租屋主甚至不知道租金可以申報扣抵所得稅這個匯民政策很多人是看得到吃不到甚至於不知道所以財政部到底要用什麼樣的手段才能讓這項政策落實到每一個租屋主的身上"},{"start":7909.947,"end":7927.127,"text":"民團是建議說財政部應該設置房客抵稅申訴專線公開宣示若收到房東妨礙租金抵稅的相關投訴將專案查核該房東是否涉及逃漏租賃所得稅對於這樣建議部長贊不贊成"},{"start":7930.839,"end":7947.553,"text":"是謝謝委員對這部分的關切第一個就是說在今年新上路的就是有關租金的特別扣除也就是我在外房租房子的話我的租金支出的過往是列在標準列舉扣除而現在是放到特別扣除裡面"},{"start":7947.973,"end":7966.682,"text":"那最高的限額也從12萬調到18萬那這個房客呢他只要拿出相關的租約等等的文件就可以就舉例出來那最高可以到18萬可以去扣抵他的那個做特別扣除額那也不需要房東的同意也不需要房東的同意那另外呢對於這個房東會不會阻礙房客去做這樣的一個申報其實如果對於這個我們現在其實有關相關的租稅優惠對於房東比如說房東他出租給"},{"start":7977.868,"end":7993.491,"text":"可以申請租金補貼的或者他把這個房子出租給作為社宅使用的話他每個月有15000塊的這個所得呢可以年繳所得所以換句話一年也是有18萬這個部分可以納入這個扣掉從所得總所得裡面去扣掉"},{"start":7993.931,"end":8019.188,"text":"所以這是雙面向第一個我們要照顧在外的租屋族之外同時我們也鼓勵房東他要誠實報所得稅然後我也給他一個租金優惠同時他如果出租的話剛剛委員提到就房屋稅的2.0裡面他出租然後他的租金申報符合標準的話那這個部分他稅率是可以用比較低的房屋稅的稅率所以我們用多個管項"},{"start":8021.17,"end":8035.73,"text":"讓房客可以適用讓房東也要去誠實申報要勸導也要鼓勵但是問題是說房屋黑市的問題終究還是一樣這個都存在嘛所以我們才說設置這個房客抵稅申訴專線部長你同不同意贊不贊成"},{"start":8036.851,"end":8057.621,"text":"我們可以來做規劃,謝謝委員這個建議我們會按委員的建議來做這個規劃接下來再請教因為老實講真的民眾是不太清楚啦剛剛有提到有20%以上的民眾是完全不知道那避免資訊不足還有不必要的損失那這個房租租金抵稅新制"},{"start":8059.562,"end":8085.554,"text":"要積極的做一個宣導讓我們的所有的租屋主都能夠了解清楚這部分財政部要多做一些設計跟規劃不要讓它淪為紙上浮麗那我再請教我們部長就是說今天要審查的海關進口稅者修正草案主要是為了要履行我國在南美洲唯一僅存的邦交國巴拉圭的台巴經貿合作協定第八號決議文的關稅減讓承諾"},{"start":8088.815,"end":8113.975,"text":"修正調降原產至八國的去骨豬肉、小麥粉、瓦類、庫類、紡織品等17項貨品調降至免稅米果貨品調降至10%天然蜜貨品分三年逐步調降至20%外交部次長在巴拉圭肉品推廣晚會也表示目標是要讓巴拉圭成為首個享有豬肉進口零關稅的國家"},{"start":8115.476,"end":8137.22,"text":"那要求這次的海關進口稅者的修正所有旅行台巴經貿合作協議的一個承諾也是國際政經局勢變化中展現我國對邦交國的一個實質支持那透過這個關稅檢讓我們強化與巴拉圭的一個經貿合作進一步的鞏固雙邊的一個外交關係這部分"},{"start":8140.503,"end":8147.762,"text":"這個關稅減少政策財政部是否有配套措施確保我們國內相關產業不會受到衝擊財政部有沒有其他的規劃"},{"start":8151.231,"end":8174.246,"text":"這個部分對委員報告有關巴拉圭關稅的部分其實產業主管機關都已經有盤點過對我們應該是沒有影響沒有影響那另外也要跟委員報告您剛剛提到希望我們加強這個宣導的部分對今年比如新實施的房屋租金特別扣除等等有關的但是我們的宣導費被通山了60%"},{"start":8176.227,"end":8204.464,"text":"所以我們會在有限的資源裡面盡力的去做其實這個部分這個就是蠻遺憾的就是在通篩裡面我們被篩了60%那我們會還是會努力去做啦所以我想也跟委員報告這個事情這個部長邦交國對我們國際生存空間是非常重要那關稅減讓協議確保我國對邦交國的承諾得以落實然後能夠維持長遠的雙邊關係確保國內最重要的作業同時就是要確保國內相關產業的生存"},{"start":8208.687,"end":8221.375,"text":"再請教因為時間有限剛剛有分別很多委員都提到我們上禮拜三月十一號宣布對中國大陸製的大陸製啤酒與特定熱壓"},{"start":8225.017,"end":8242.106,"text":"扁雜等鋼品這種兩大產類的製品啟動反傾銷調查隨著川普2.0的到來全球貿易戰現在我們看到川普對墨西哥、對加拿大都分別課徵25%的關稅對中國的產品加徵10%的關稅是疊加在上一次上個月已經開徵的10%"},{"start":8250.49,"end":8268.504,"text":"那美國計畫對於進口鋼鋁製品課徵25%關稅那他的目的是希望要優先用他們本土生產的這種鋼鋁製材這也會影響他們美國市場的有需求那我是講說這一次中國大陸這個"},{"start":8270.985,"end":8298.477,"text":"鋼鐵智能過剩那對於我們台灣他一樣以價格的部分來來對於台灣的我們的中農中鋼也造成相當大的一個衝擊那我是認同說政府維護國內產業競爭力的決心那以支持合理的貿易防疫措施那請教部長如果中國大陸採取報復性措施我們有什麼因應的一個策略"},{"start":8301.4,"end":8306.082,"text":"對於您剛剛所提到的相關的問題比如說像我們對於啤酒大陸的啤酒還有那個相關的熱壓缸的部分的反傾銷的調查這個事實上這個是在我們的一個本來的工作裡面就有一個反傾銷的一個"},{"start":8318.696,"end":8333.64,"text":"辦法實施辦法那對於有傾銷事實跟對國內的產業遭受損害的部分我們都會按照一定的程序和經濟部以及我們財政部一起進行調查以及認定然後課額如果符合的話那確實有對我們有傷害的話那就會課徵反傾銷稅那對於有關的有關您剛剛提到比如說川普這些關稅這些的問題我們還是要等到他的相關的細節內容公佈以後"},{"start":8347.385,"end":8369.459,"text":"公布以後來做相對應但是對應的方案目前都在研擬當中都在模擬當中這個是沒有都一直在做本期期待財政部提出具體的因應策略好不好確保我們台灣產業的競爭力當然是的會的我們會持續關注然後行政院也有專案小組在做相關的模擬方案的因應是謝謝部長謝謝寬恆接著我們請黃珊珊委員花言"},{"start":8381.945,"end":8403.915,"text":"謝謝主席 我請部長請部長委員好 是 部長早我想剛剛前面委員都在提台灣因為美國川普上台以後其實我們碰到很大的很大的挑戰尤其是川普有一個很重要的政策叫做對等關稅 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但是現在的確在實行上遇到的實務上因為我們當初做這個我們當然是希望抑制這個炒房不要讓大家到處買房子房價亂漲一通但是事實上的確有人是住在不是說金門啦像連南部也會有這種情形嘛 對吧那你難道要大家都妻離子散嗎戶口全家拆成三戶就對了"},{"start":14856.308,"end":14879.334,"text":"以前金門就是為了這個 很多氣離子散 家破人不亡那個只是戶籍而已啦 不是真的家破人亡是 但是戶籍 那以離島地區來講 如果戶籍沒有在金門買機票就比較貴啊 回家一趟五千塊所以會有遇到這種情形 針對像我們這樣的離島地區有沒有什麼樣的方案可以來想辦法來讓這個情形"},{"start":14881.072,"end":14888.838,"text":"因為這個是全國通用的一個制度其實本島也會有類似這樣的狀況因為你規定社戶級嘛所以是不是還有其他的方法除了社戶級外有沒有其他的方法可以因為這已經是法治了"},{"start":14899.765,"end":14918.866,"text":"沒關係修法我們會來一起來努力嘛但是大家是不是你研究一下有沒有什麼期納方法因為這樣反應的聲音的確是挺多的我想在座說明也很多有啊南部人啊在台北來工作但是也是要回去啊來回也是要有啊重點是要抑制炒房嘛不要讓每個人有一個人擁有太多房子嘛"},{"start":14919.786,"end":14945.672,"text":"那如果說家裡都拆戶籍事實上也違反戶籍法你知道嗎因為你不是真正的戶口設在那個你設在那個你事實上沒有居住在那個地方也是一種虛偽的戶籍的遷徙耶那個戶籍法是要罰錢的啊 罰款啊所以你來想看看沒關係吼我們今天那個時間我們還會再見面想看看有沒有什麼方法這個部分想一下吼那下一題網路的下次再問謝謝"},{"start":14946.972,"end":14948.874,"text":"謝謝陳委員 謝謝莊部長接下來有請洪委員孟凱質詢時間五分鐘主席謝謝 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已經提起訴訟在去年就提起訴訟然後第二個我覺得委員我了解委員關切就是說日後不能再發生這樣的一個事情所以對於我們認為抽獎"},{"start":15155.7,"end":15172.086,"text":"要以實體抽獎不要就網路抽獎要更加的嚴謹然後要多方的驗證多方的查驗避免有這種情況那像這種駭客入侵有的時候怎麼講道高一尺有時候會磨高一丈這種情況也要怎麼樣的去防弊這點我不苛責財政部因為畢竟財政的專業並不是數位相關專業嘛"},{"start":15177.788,"end":15196.386,"text":"有一些可能道高一尺 魔高一丈我同意啊因為網路世界也好或程序世界日新月異那有沒有跟速發部來做一個溝通了解資安的部分否則政府的系統隨隨便便一個駭客就可以作弊那我們這幾十億洋的速發部在幹嘛"},{"start":15197.594,"end":15213.926,"text":"對 資安的部分那更重要那財政部的尤其像我們的財資中心那個資安的等級是非常高的是非常高的所以未來我們其實應該是盡量不要再用網路抽獎了好 部長所以能夠承諾也向國人"},{"start":15216.199,"end":15233.326,"text":"來確認未來不要再有這種被作弊的事情發生對好部長那另外一個部分當然很多的委員也都關心美國現在川普總統上任兩個月1月20號到現在但是全世界真的都天翻地覆全世界都有很多遊戲規則改變了"},{"start":15234.787,"end":15248.871,"text":"那其中本席就有看到針對美國的財政部長他有講到是說有前15名的這個percentage的國家對美國徵收高關稅叫做骯髒15台灣也在名列其中對不對沒有嗎沒有啊沒有掌握我們台灣傳台灣也被點名骯髒15國傳台灣名列其中有沒有掌握沒有"},{"start":15264.633,"end":15285.83,"text":"沒有看到這個消息 沒有看到這個新聞沒有看到這個新聞 部長這個是非常重視 剛剛新聞還有推播欸從昨天晚上到今天 新聞還有推播川普政府點名骯髒15國入透社報台灣陸列還有"},{"start":15290.523,"end":15296.468,"text":"台灣被美列骯髒15國高關稅名單已經有相關人士點名說我們汽車產業萬萬稅所以他可能會被 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我們有錄裂部長是照理講這一件事情不應該由一個在野黨的委員在質詢的時候提醒你"},{"start":15424.642,"end":15438.966,"text":"照理講這件事情應該是財政部我們所有的聰明的大腦們應該早就掌握照理講美國現在兩個月下來川普政府他有一些改變的狀況我們應該都要緊盯這些狀況"},{"start":15442.819,"end":15464.29,"text":"是,我們是一直有在盯這個部長,好,宏偉時間關係方面這個會後給你提供我覺得這可能是連我們召委,連我們不管藍綠委員都非常關注的部長不能狀況外,後續怎麼樣發展我會再利用持續的質詢機會再跟你就教請一定要準備好,也一定要萬全的因應"},{"start":15465.39,"end":15476.819,"text":"我們都一直有在關注然後也做相關的盤點謝謝紅委員 請部長會後也提供給紅委員相關的資訊你們確認一下 謝謝好 接下來有請邱委員自委諮詢謝謝主席 有請財政部莊部長還有兆豐金控董董事長"},{"start":15493.19,"end":15517.18,"text":"趙鋒金控的董董事長為什麼會請趙鋒金控董董事長跟部長因為今天下午央行開兩位都是理事那對於這個今天媒體有報導說第七波打房我們有大型行庫出現這個虧本做房貸會衝擊盈餘也會產生建價的問題"},{"start":15520.982,"end":15545.185,"text":"三大警訊希望央行不要再加碼第八波請問兩位你們下午開會的時候你們立場是怎麼樣請問部長跟委員報告下午會開會然後央行會做充分的一些資料的一些討論資料的一個呈現這邊寫這個銀行高大型行庫的高層是這樣的呼籲"},{"start":15546.516,"end":15553.691,"text":"那是代表說我們國有銀行所有共同的聲音嗎這可能我問一下董董董事長"},{"start":15556.128,"end":15576.824,"text":"您也是理事,您的看法呢?報告委員,我想那是報導上,那應該不是我所,跟我所知道應該是不一樣三個語音存在嗎?應該不會,因為過去這段時間我們對所有這些房地產業者我們總的這個不管是受訓的餘額啦,或者是他的真正的使用狀況這個額度跟餘額都在降低"},{"start":15581.408,"end":15600.199,"text":"所以這個三大警訊不存在?我們利率是增加,利率是上漲的做房貸是虧本的,然後盈餘也會降低沒有沒有,我們利率是上漲,我們利率是調升的所以不存在是三大警訊?我覺得這至少不是我所知道的關乎我相信您專業的判斷跟專業的評估"},{"start":15602.921,"end":15630.395,"text":"好 謝謝我想這個我跟這個總務長說明報告我的感覺這個十幾年來在立法院我看到很多這個我們國有銀行公有行股所有的這個董事長跟總經理都非常兼兼業業所以這個台灣的這個國有銀行可以說是這個另外一種的護國群山是扮演這個台灣經濟穩定的力量"},{"start":15632.308,"end":15654.083,"text":"所以這點是應當值得這個大家去鼓勵會或者去讚賞我碰到很多這個神祖堂戶的所有的這個董事長跟總經理包括台灣監控林董事長包括當然這個董內斌董事長第一監控邱瑞琴董事長"},{"start":15656.874,"end":15672.114,"text":"包括華人銀行黃黃總經理和合庫的民營衛冒董事長蘇佐敦總經理還有張營、胡光華董事長跟周總經理這一過程我都有跟他們互動民意代表會接受民眾的陳情"},{"start":15673.345,"end":15700.094,"text":"民眾發生問題他們沒有視他管道我們做一個平台我們很樂意去協助問題但最重要的是說我們這個省屬銀行的這些不管是董事長或者是總經理都非常親民非常了解這民眾的需求所以這個台灣省屬銀行是金融界的模範生之外也是扮演台灣經濟穩定的最重要的力量您同意嗎有錯"},{"start":15702.83,"end":15723.806,"text":"反過來說呢 台灣對台灣經濟最不穩定的亂源是來自哪裡來自於這裡這裡來自於立法院 您同意嗎這個沒有辦法置評會後我們再討論我認為是這樣子 發臨五百萬改才發完五百萬修 創咖咪咪冒冒"},{"start":15733.161,"end":15757.398,"text":"國家財政距離 國家財政穩定 都受到一些影響這是台灣經濟最大的威脅跟亂演Here Here Here講到這個 我都滿肚子火我們希望在這個最穩定的亂演之中 扮演一些穩定的力量好 我請台北金融大樓股運有限公司 賈董事長"},{"start":15758.732,"end":15785.148,"text":"台灣鷹酒鼓勇修容師 湯董次長請 請阿董跟湯董董事長 我要請教 這個去年的EPS多少去年的EPS多少您好 是 我們是 ELSE算42024的EPS多少4EPS4啊"},{"start":15786.448,"end":15810.688,"text":"你確定?ELTS是1.75,對不起EPS是4啊?1.75,抱歉4跟1.75差蠻多的耶好,抱歉如果你可以一下子重複到4,你可以得諾貝爾經濟學獎是嘛齁,你看,2025在你主任之下1.75,你剛剛也講錯了我是你的話來...跟你的話,你聽說是1.75"},{"start":15813.208,"end":15839.483,"text":"那1.75是比1.51還好就是說你上任之後這個你什麼時候接任的9月9月好這個去年2023是1.51你到你接任之後1.752025的時候呢您就是今年您的期許呢我的期許啊我的期許就是越來越好就是要就是要打破就是那個2024的紀錄達到4"},{"start":15844.436,"end":15866.324,"text":"一二就好啦,我就對你覺得非常感謝,而且對你非常肯定好,謝謝,謝謝蔣董事長接著請教一下湯董事長董事長,這個我一樣的問題請教你啊這個菸酒公司有它的問題,你覺得在你上任之後,必須要最急迫解決的問題是什麼?"},{"start":15868.004,"end":15896.611,"text":"加熱源要通過加熱源要通過加熱源要通過不是我的業務是衛環委員會衛福部的這個部分每個人都有不同的看法那你的EPS你的績效去年的EPS多少大概一塊錢去年一塊錢一塊錢那你上任之後你覺得你今年的目標呢向上提升也是要到市是不是"},{"start":15898.101,"end":15904.486,"text":"這個是我們的目標你還是可以得到諾貝爾經濟學獎最後一個30秒的問題謝謝 謝謝兩位董事長這個關務署關務的檢查實務我們港口機場都是關務人員 對不對"},{"start":15918.106,"end":15941.38,"text":"都是公務人員?機場?是有公務人員,我們在公務人員大概配置多少?比方說桃園機場,配置多少公務人員?台北關是一千四百多名員工,那機場的部分他就一個機查組那邊,一個組應該四五十個左右吧四五十個,還有輪班對不對?"},{"start":15941.98,"end":15966.934,"text":"是好先這樣子我們有藍色通道我知道紅綠線通關再給我28秒有紅跟綠對不對是大部分都是走綠對不對是少部分是走好那麼多頻繁出入的旅客當中你們怎麼知道他所攜帶的這些東西是不是超過海關的容量"},{"start":15967.95,"end":15991.82,"text":"或者海關的許可你們怎麼去了解我們有風險管理的一個機制對於每一個旅客我們都有一些管控的風險的一些我親身經驗很多通過之後這些公務人員也沒有特別去關心也沒有特別去看大家都走出去很自然的那公務人員有時候他們在討論國政還是討論什麼你們的業務什麼好像沒有"},{"start":15996.052,"end":16013.75,"text":"很認真的去執行每一個這個通關的旅客他們是不是有攜帶過量的這個東西跟委員報告您的拖運行李在通關的時候其實在地下室都已經經過S光檢查不是啊那如果是手提的呢手提的我們會看狀況去處理是"},{"start":16016.687,"end":16038.865,"text":"所以還是你要參考我參考這個日本日本他們在最後一線這個關稅床這個關物的部分是很謹慎的幾乎每個人都要把他的手機行李拿出來看他會問你這個有沒有帶什麼東西都會去了解是但我方相對呀不是說我們做的不好相對的稍微比較輕鬆一點"},{"start":16042.384,"end":16058.256,"text":"我覺得關乎這個很重要是不是要稍微把這個輕鬆度把它降低把這個嚴謹度再加強好的謝謝邱委員謝謝接著我們請陳培鈺委員好謝謝主席我們讓部長先喝一口水"},{"start":16071.698,"end":16074.086,"text":"好 有請財政部部長好 莊部長"},{"start":16078.959,"end":16103.257,"text":"我也好好謝謝部長喔部長我今天要來問關於離島的問題不過今天的關注的焦點主要在馬祖喔我先跟部長分享一個困境喔就是這幾年來呢海巡在馬祖積極查緝走私那這個相關的議題喔其實會影響到國人的食品安全還有相關的議題所以查緝走私在前線非常的辛苦可是我們都希望這些"},{"start":16104.137,"end":16128.767,"text":"這些商品不要進到台灣那在海巡查走私之後呢相關的扣押品大部分都是需要冷凍倉庫那之前的做法呢是跟連鄉縣政府租用冷凍倉庫一年大概兩百萬那這樣子運行多年來狀況都還不錯不管是海巡或者是跟海關這邊的配合可是呢後來不知道什麼原因"},{"start":16129.587,"end":16148.541,"text":"現在這個租用倉庫的費用已經沒有了然後也已經停止租用所以導致於連江縣也就是在馬祖地區當地的海巡他們做這個查緝走私的動作之後呢相關的扣押品沒有地方擺那但是呢我們知道你們關務署的做法是說請送回基隆關"},{"start":16150.323,"end":16173.541,"text":"部長如果你去過連江你就可以想像這個不是只是把東西打包像宅急便送到基隆關而已這個可能要考慮到交通的問題天氣的問題然後還有跟基隆關這邊聯絡的問題所以下一張所以我們發現現在的問題就是根據關務署的規定海巡扣押的冷藏冷凍品要提前通知基隆關"},{"start":16175.802,"end":16201.433,"text":"來協調艙位的擺放在馬祖當地的特殊狀況遇到的問題就是因為要等候基隆關的協調船班的運輸通知等等這些行政配套我們在前線辛苦的海巡同仁冒著生命危險扣押這些東西可能就會腐壞那部長你可能想說反正是查緝走私扣押壞掉就壞掉了不是的他們後續可能會面對賠償的問題"},{"start":16204.855,"end":16212.773,"text":"所以這個問題其實很影響前線的海巡也好影響海關官務人員的工作狀態也好部長你知道這個狀態嗎"},{"start":16215.259,"end":16243.769,"text":"這個狀態好 我想 第一個我知道那個海關那邊的倉庫原來陳珠的倉庫他已經是 我剛說一年兩百萬本來是有的對 是 那我想這個部分是否可以請關務署署長來做說明好 那因為我時間有限我也要尊重主席是不是你就快速說明如果今天沒有辦法解決我們後續後續繼續在我們辦公室開協調會討論好不好 來好的 跟委員報告這部分應該基隆關跟海巡那部分都有密切在聯繫啦那目前我"},{"start":16245.086,"end":16267.276,"text":"如果有必要的話我們再請委員這邊來召開協調會我們再過去說明一下好 那我跟你說有必要而且我希望不要只是說明因為這一次到了馬祖連江去我是直接聽到第一線基層的工作同仁他們直接跟我們反映他們真的希望有冷凍倉庫櫃擺放這些查緝走私扣押的漁獲商品"},{"start":16267.896,"end":16285.681,"text":"就這麼簡單但是不管是費用的問題不管是中間行政協調的問題我都認為我們可以細緻再討論我們希望可以在一個月內跟你們直接召開討論會議可以嗎好沒有問題好沒有問題那我們會積極召開好謝謝這邊請回好我要一分半我想要請賈董謝謝101的董事長謝謝好部長請回謝謝好謝謝主席"},{"start":16297.11,"end":16318.965,"text":"好 董事長午安 我時間有限董事長我之前來到這個財政委員會跟您討論不算是質詢 跟您討論那個時候我就說101它身為一個非常重要的機關它有可能性可以跟更多的兒少有接觸我目前有相關離島的業務在協助不管是在連江或者是金門那那個時候我們就談到"},{"start":16320.046,"end":16340.303,"text":"怎麼樣透過101的經費跟可能規劃的方案讓我們離島的鄉親尤其是兒少有機會透過101公益資源的協助他們可以直接進到101參觀也好參加活動體驗也好孩子們可以開視野孩子可以體驗到是平常可能沒有機會享受到的可不可以快速回應一下OK"},{"start":16341.104,"end":16354.642,"text":"其實101呢一直以來我們都有跟這個各學校的單位教育單位我們都有配合來董事長拜託離島的部分我們有沒有機會進一步來規劃跟討論可以啊離島的學校我們當然非常歡迎我們一直以來都有配合"},{"start":16356.084,"end":16385.132,"text":"謝謝董事長那我們相關的後續的討論跟規劃我們一起來努力進行我相信台上的主席一定也會認同主席一直都很照顧金門的鄉親好那就拜託董事長好我們後續來規劃跟討論為離島的孩子爭取更多進入101不管是跟您互動或者是跟其他的人員互動或是到高樓看這個景象我們很願意謝謝謝謝董事長謝謝主席謝謝謝謝陳培宇委員謝謝來接著請葉元芝委員"},{"start":16401.573,"end":16402.256,"text":"麻煩請裁判部長 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什麼對策嘛我想這個我們的各種小體的詢詢都會在做是秘密不能講是不是還是怕講出來被監督所以不能講"},{"start":16680.555,"end":16706.845,"text":"不是不能講 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謝謝接著我們請陳冠廷委員主席麻煩請部長請莊部長"},{"start":16942.217,"end":16949.385,"text":"委員好部長好部長我們承接剛才王世堅委員有提到的關於保健食品的部分"},{"start":16950.322,"end":16971.851,"text":"那我在辦公室裡面研究當初的稅率是我們加入世界貿易組織時候大概那個時期到現在大概是30%左右30%左右的保健食品如同幾位委員提到的它是高於世界各國從日本對進口保健食品的關稅14.5%美國6.4%韓國8%"},{"start":16976.213,"end":17000.534,"text":"連中國都是8.5%那這樣子比較起來我們台灣的這樣子的課稅30%的話是相對高的那我們希望說它能夠降低的比例其實是有幾個部分有幾個面向第一個當然是針對消費者我們希望說在健康食品上面能夠讓消費者能夠有更多的餘裕那第二部分就是比較於這些菸酒"},{"start":17001.415,"end":17015.952,"text":"這些稅率來比較的話反而保健食品會更高這也是不符合這個邏輯的第三點我覺得也很重要就是說現在我們的貿易壁壘我們當然是希望給世界一個很好的印象"},{"start":17016.673,"end":17036.395,"text":"就是說我們願意把這些壁壘降低來去做為未來其他的一些貨品服務能夠有更多這個空間的一個做法這也是一個政府能夠去做做這個negotiation的一個很重要的一個部分部長你對這些有什麼看法"},{"start":17037.836,"end":17067.048,"text":"是的謝謝委員對於保健食品的關稅目前是30%那當然對於關稅它涉及的層面是很廣的因為它要考量到產業的發展另外也要考慮到消費者的權益之間的橫貧性那對於這個保健食品的關稅我們也多次跟產業發展署這邊還有跟經濟部這邊做密切的聯繫目前來說對於民眾比較關切像那種定季的或是那個膠囊狀的這個保健食品"},{"start":17067.848,"end":17087.703,"text":"那產發署已經有一些相關的回應的一個意見他認為可以比如說國內業者主要生產的項目可以用分階段的分年式的來做降稅那對於就是國內比較沒有做不是國內主要生產的話或者這部分呢也可以直接做調降"},{"start":17088.604,"end":17100.471,"text":"但是這些項目到底它的範圍是到哪裡哪一些的項目要明確以及它分年降稅的年期跟怎麼樣的降稅這部分我們也進一步的請產發署這個部分能夠把它更細緻化那如果更細緻化更確認以後並且提出稅市支出評估的話那財政部這邊會做相應的後續的一個法制作業"},{"start":17112.895,"end":17127.533,"text":"我想跟產方署去談之外其實未來也可以跟我們的貿易談判辦公室在談這件事情因為我們主動把這一些關稅降低那就是給我們的政府有更多的談判的空間那對未來的整體的經貿的談判我認為還是有幫助的這一點也希望"},{"start":17130.996,"end":17145.425,"text":"財政部能夠來做協調把這些全部都放在我們談判的一些重要的資產跟籌碼裡面這個是我們必須要談的那再來就是說因為財化法修法的關係現在中央對地方的補助當然是會受到影響"},{"start":17146.405,"end":17163.082,"text":"那主要還是計劃性補助可是有些會暫緩那之前部長你有在記者會有提到說新版的財劃法的執行下如果在維持原來的支出那就必須要舉債有沒有這樣的打算有沒有這樣的規劃"},{"start":17165.264,"end":17188.981,"text":"這個就是說如果說新版的財化法會從中央要多釋出相當大一塊的一個財源而且又規定說一般性補助款不得低於修法前那個年度就是以114年來說是2500億這樣的一個規模對中央的財政來說是等於是說刮去很大一塊那所以施政上就會有一些影響讓他"},{"start":17191.182,"end":17206.965,"text":"沒有辦法再做推展以及部分的計畫沒有辦法延續這是影響很大的那中央財政如果說你要維持原來的支出規模的話原來的支出規模變成就要舉債可是這個部分債務有債務的一個舉債有債務的上限的一個限度"},{"start":17207.405,"end":17226.391,"text":"所以這個部分對於支出怎麼樣去做調整那主計總署也算過了如果說你扣除法律義務支出以外那剩下支出的部分可能必須要做一些調節因為事權你必須要移轉到地方去那中央的部分就要節省支出"},{"start":17227.884,"end":17251.878,"text":"那我最後再補充一下,因為其實現在蠻多問題要問可是時間的關係,超發法已經附議是基本上是否決了那接下來你們有提出一些相關的因應,那相關的因應就是說哪些計畫要留,哪些計畫不留,在已實施的法律之後那我的建議,特別是這個跟我們地方有關的水利計畫必須要做優先考量,因為"},{"start":17252.839,"end":17272.699,"text":"借貨變遷的關係現在有一些地窪的鄉鎮可能會遇到淹水的問題特別是這一兩年的颱風跟雨水蠻多的所以我們希望特別是對我們新港鄉來講很強烈要求通盤檢討水利謝謝謝謝委員謝謝陳冠廷委員接著我們請吳麗華委員"},{"start":17286.529,"end":17290.433,"text":"謝謝主席 再次有請財政部長部長好 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謝謝好 謝謝吳麗華委員接著我們請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎 徐欣穎不在蔡依依委員蔡依依 蔡依依不在"},{"start":17606.292,"end":17628.029,"text":"今日登記發言的委員均已行答完畢現在進行討論四項及臨時提案之修正共四案請議事人員宣讀今日審查海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案提案內容及臨時提案共五案預計宣讀時間十分鐘宣讀完畢後即刻進行協商"},{"start":17630.356,"end":17644.566,"text":"我們看法案沒有關的行政官員都可以先行離席好 謝謝各位辛苦了大家安靜的離席 謝謝行政院韓君審議海關進口碎折部分碎折修正查案"},{"start":17645.306,"end":17661.827,"text":"第二章肉籍使用雜稅修正第0203-1919號及第0203-2919號等二項之第二欄稅率修正巴拉圭PY適用之稅率第四章乳製品勤淡天然蜜未列明食用動物產品"},{"start":17662.808,"end":17683.104,"text":"修正第0409 0000號之第二欄稅率修正巴拉圭PY適用之稅率第十一章製粉工業產品麥芽、澱粉、蕨糖、麵筋修正第1101 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3000號之第二欄稅率修正巴拉圭PY適用之稅率宣讀完畢"},{"start":17816.909,"end":17817.029,"text":"臨時提案"},{"start":17822.745,"end":17852.288,"text":"第一案我國歷經三次重要的賦稅改革里程碑分別於民國五十七年七十六年及九十六年由政府邀集專家學者組成賦稅改革委員會針對租稅體制進行深入討論並促成優化賦稅結構提高直接稅佔比強化公平合理的稅制簡化稅政流程提升行政效率等重要成果整體而言平均約每二十年即進行檢討與前瞻性改革"},{"start":17852.868,"end":17872.915,"text":"以適應社會變遷與經濟發展需求查監察院於一百年度專案調查研究報告中明確指出稅客是政府財政收入最穩健且充沛之來源為徵收稅捐是將民眾的私有財產依法做強制移轉故需依賴良好且完整的稅制"},{"start":17874.814,"end":17891.068,"text":"為其徵客法據且隨經濟環境變遷人民權利意識高漲政府每經歷一段時間是需對整體稅制進行通盤的檢討以求建立公平合理的租稅環境有鑒於全國稅客收入以連年實徵數大於預算數"},{"start":17893.67,"end":17922.6,"text":"財政收支劃分法新制三讀此外社會各界對於印花稅、娛樂稅、貨物稅等稅務之事法性與實益性多有檢討聲浪同時全球經濟變遷加劇關稅、碳稅、營業稅及所得稅等稅制改善已成為影響國內民生與經濟發展的關鍵節點此刻正值我國稅制氣需通盤檢討之際原請財政部敦促行政院於半年內緊速重啟召開"},{"start":17923.88,"end":17939.526,"text":"復稅改革委員會廣邀專家學者共同研議以回應國家發展與民眾需求建構合理且健全之租稅體制提案人黃珊珊、林德福、賴世寶第二案"},{"start":17940.68,"end":17963.456,"text":"有禁於財政部新制將房屋租金支出改為特別扣除額額度提高18萬元單身租屋族最高可抵減7000多元家庭租屋族最多12290元然而台灣的租屋黑市仍相當嚴重房客為避免租金調漲甚至是被退租的風險不願冒險得罪房東"},{"start":17964.833,"end":17991.158,"text":"根據民間租屋網站所做的租屋狀況調查有高達54.2%的租屋主因房東拒絕或是害怕遭受房東不利對待而無法使用租金抵稅且尚有20.1%的租屋主甚至不知租金可以申報扣抵所得稅原提案要求財政部於三個月內設置房客抵稅申訴專線或房客抵稅申訴專區"},{"start":17993.258,"end":18005.749,"text":"並於一個月內向立法院財政委員會報告執行進度同時公開至財政部官方網站以便民眾知悉提案人嚴寬恆賴世保林思敏黃珊珊"},{"start":18011.377,"end":18036.243,"text":"第三案按現行加值型及非加值型營業稅法規定每月銷售額超過二十萬元者國稅局將合訂其使用統一發票然此金額乃是按照按財政部民國七十五年七月十二日排財稅第七五二六二五四號函文所訂定已近四十年未調整民國七十五年基本工資為每月"},{"start":18037.043,"end":18059.265,"text":"六千一百五十元同年十一月一日起調整為每月六千九百元而基本時薪最早可追溯至民國八十一年八月十三日當年調整基本工資為每月一萬兩千三百六十五元新增基本時薪為每小時五十一點五元時至今日基本工資已為每月"},{"start":18062.027,"end":18085.782,"text":"28590元基本時薪190元鑒於基本工資及基本時薪已分別調漲了4.65倍及3.69倍再加上水電雙漲原物料成本飆漲租金成本上升勞健保支出增加等再再增加營業成本壓縮小規模營業人的利潤實在苦不堪言原要求財政部考量"},{"start":18086.983,"end":18110.644,"text":"消費者物價指數漲幅,研議調整營業人使用統一發票銷售額標準以體恤小規模營業人的經營困境並於兩個月內向立法院財政委員會提出書面報告提案人羅明才、李燕秀、陳玉珍第四案,鑒於小規模營業人導入行動支付適用營業稅租稅優惠"},{"start":18113.799,"end":18126.508,"text":"1%至今114年底届期然根據台灣網路資訊中心2024台灣網路報告國人行動支付使用率僅33.40%與國發會2025年行動支付普及率達90%的目標有明顯差距"},{"start":18133.137,"end":18151.764,"text":"而且按財政部統計,2023年採用查訂課徵的小規模營業人於50萬家但至今年1月底,只有19,321家導入行動支付該租稅優惠顯然成效有限,原要求財政部研議延長該租稅優惠期限"},{"start":18152.544,"end":18177.043,"text":"並提出精進作為,以增加營業人使用行動支付的意願進而提升行動支付普及率並於兩個月內向立法院財政委員會提出書面報告提案人羅明才、林彥秀、陳玉珍,宣讀完畢好,那麼請問大家對於我們好,我們先進行協商"},{"start":18180.059,"end":18208.383,"text":"來 那麼請問在場委員我們對於行政院行政審議海關進口碎折部分碎折修正草案內容有沒有異議沒有 那我們就照案通過好 接下來我們來處理臨時提案臨時提案有一個試案我們先宣讀一下那請那個部會先看一看好 開始第一案都宣讀過了好 都宣讀過了那麼請問第一案在場委員財政部有沒有什麼要修改的"},{"start":18211.751,"end":18237.633,"text":"有關臨時提案的第一案我們是不是做這樣的一個建議就是倒數的第三案原請財政部於半年內延役重啟召開負稅改革委員會之可行性這樣子的一個調整我不知道是不是請這部分委員也好財政部建議做文字如剛才的說明修正請問這案委員是否同意來黃委員"},{"start":18240.988,"end":18264.671,"text":"謝謝主席 我想 當然副社會署希望說用他們來研議啊早上我質詢的時候部長也有答應要研議但是我希望不是研議完了就沒有下文所以當然希望你們半年之內研議但是這的確是中華民國重要的機制所以我也希望說研議完了就是怎麼樣去籌備20年到期了我們應該要做一些檢討"},{"start":18265.512,"end":18293.09,"text":"那這些法規在至少在這一任的政府應該是在他任內就應該要做這樣的檢討我想這個部分今天能夠留下記錄我希望財政部有下文而不是只是研議沒下文謝謝好謝謝所以呢黃委員呢提醒我們要研議後要落實執行那我們就照修正文字通過好第二項那麼財政部有沒有要修正的意見"},{"start":18294.479,"end":18313.11,"text":"第二案的部分我們有一個建議就是在從倒數第三行的並於一個月內向立法院財政委員會報告執行進度的部分是不是可以刪除我們這個部分就直接提案就是對於委員所提案的在三個月內要設置房客"},{"start":18313.63,"end":18329.484,"text":"抵稅申訴專線或房客抵稅申訴專區這個部分同時也要求公開在財政部的網站以便民眾知悉我想這個部分我們來做那一段的文字我們建議就不需要再另外做執行進度的報告"},{"start":18331.082,"end":18358.608,"text":"意思是就是三個月內就可以完成房客抵稅申請專區房客抵稅申請專區三個月內就可以完成就對了對好那這段就不用了這個我有一點意見因為現在是三月中了五月就要報稅你這個專區你三個月弄好五月都已經報完稅了所以有關宣導的部分抵稅的部分這個部分可能一個月之內要完成完整的宣導"},{"start":18361.405,"end":18379.225,"text":"那這樣謝謝委員我想這樣的提醒我覺得應該是在申報之前啦我們在一個月一個月好不好我們在五月之前就把它完成啦是的一個月好不好這個主席就是不能等到申報完了三個月就來不及了好那我們這樣把時間就縮短"},{"start":18380.216,"end":18398.175,"text":"好,所以呢我們文字修正的原提案要求財政部於一個月內設置房客抵稅申訴專線或房客抵稅申訴專區,到點然後同時公開至財政部官方網站好,那這樣子文字修正後通過,請看第三案"},{"start":18401.667,"end":18428.585,"text":"那請問有文字修正第三案的部分我們是不是做一個建議就在倒數第三行的部分有關研議調整營業人使用統一發票銷售額標準我們後面是不是加知可行性四個字好請問提案委員陳委員研議這個標準不是研議可行性啊是沒有影響的還是要請你研議是小規模營業人的這個這個"},{"start":18431.437,"end":18454.821,"text":"研議調整 調整的可行性啦這意思不是一樣來就研議這個要不要調整這個小隊伍一個人的基本法意思是一樣的啦好 那就遵照委員的文字好 那我們召喚通過 請看第四案第四案有沒有文字修正也是可行性研議可行性研議完全可行"},{"start":18459.266,"end":18476.34,"text":"那這個有關這個臨時提案的第四案我們是不是可以在倒數第三行的部分要求財政部研議延長租稅優惠期限的可行性因為這是涉及到延長這個租稅的優惠期限陳委員您看呢"},{"start":18482.642,"end":18506.895,"text":"延長 延逸這個事情的時候你答案有可能是可以也有可能是不行我們不是要你延逸就一定說要可以那如果不行的原因是什麼我們大家再來檢討不是說我們說怎樣你就會應該部長這個重點的意思延逸的意思就是有彈性的意思有可能嘛 可能可以可能不行要讓大家知道如果不行我們怎麼改進嘛對吧 或者怎麼來調整好 那我們就召喚通過我們就叫委員宣召辦理好 謝謝來"},{"start":18511.837,"end":18518.802,"text":"好 那麼請問各位委員對於協商 現在協商完成那還要唸讀宣傳結論嗎請議事人員宣讀協商結論應該唸完啦要宣讀嗎我們剛剛已經照樣通過啦"},{"start":18533.601,"end":18561.351,"text":"宣讀行政院判決審議海關進口碎折部分碎折修正草案 照案通過 臨時提案D好 那麼請問各位委員對協商結論有無異議沒有 照協商結論通過 本日會議做如下決議一 報告說明及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定"},{"start":18563.46,"end":18575.991,"text":"海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案本案審查完整拟據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由賴會委員補充說明請問各位委員對以上決議有異議"},{"start":18584.946,"end":18594.104,"text":"沒有那我們就通過本日會議議程已進行完畢唐永不在黨委員補題順便質詢一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}