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還有怎麼樣當然這個申請人的quality也是一個考量假如真的好我們會想盡辦法會引進來所以可能就是沒有找到中研院要的人對"},{"start":436.248,"end":455.09,"text":"所以你们才是林轩误乱嘛所以我们要把这些问题全部一一来做澄清然后呢在这些过程当中呢我们也很希望因为我刚刚说的太多人目前为止因为美国有一些的管制所以全世界都在抢人所以我们就来看一下那这些之后呢到底有多少人继续留在台湾我们往下看"},{"start":455.931,"end":485.329,"text":"当然我完全同意人才是完全是流通的人才绝对是流通为世界各国所需要这是我们共同的一个标准但是呢我们还是要知道很多的人毕业之后呢留在台湾的比例是四成跟五成你们满意这个结果吗报告委员这个当然还可以再努力但是要跟委员解释是说有很多我们培育的人才他回到母国去现在都担任母国重要的职位那这个对于跟台湾的学术交流或者是甚至国际竞争来讲是非常有帮助的"},{"start":485.689,"end":504.649,"text":"是所以我才说人才的流通是世界共同的标准这是一项的原则就像我们在美国受了教育但是呢我们也会回台湾来贡献我们自己这是一致的但是呢我刚刚指出很多的一个例子当中不管是符合中研院要的人或是是我们留才的比率我觉得这个部分面对数字我们还是有很多的空间"},{"start":505.651,"end":519.949,"text":"主席再给我一分钟我还要问一个非常重要的国家生技园区的问题为什么因为我们政府花了200多亿107年成立我记得那时候是蔡英文总统为了要成立非常多的所谓的生技国家队特别"},{"start":520.49,"end":542.41,"text":"排除万难那时候有非常多的人包括立委包括居民等等之类好不容易成立了花了这么多钱然后呢中研院也是负责组则的一个单位但是呢我还是要提出来院长你知不知道整个园区的营运绩效到底是如何中研院掌管的四个其他都是卫福部跟经济部嘛你知道整个的营区的营运状况如何吗"},{"start":543.39,"end":564.646,"text":"我认为是非常好各部会比如说国科会的动模式中心卫福部的施药中心经济部的生技中心但是院长你知道吗立法委员要跟他们要所有的关键性的绩效指标要不到只有你们中研院的这个生医转移研究中心底下的创服育成中心给我知道其他我都要不到任何资料"},{"start":565.106,"end":585.484,"text":"因为委员要的可能是新创的部分我没有啊我只要大家里面因为我们大家都特别提到整个园区没有一个主政的一个机构然后大家都各做各的预算也都是各自编域完全没有一个这样的部分因为我们不是科学园区你对这样的成效绩效你满意吗院长"},{"start":587.148,"end":614.897,"text":"我们对我们自己的绩效满意是 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