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沒有公式 沒有試算 沒有清單然後完全沒有任何資料他們還要像賊一樣拿手機在偷拍簡報的資料然後地方的普遍反應就是說這樣而且針對已經很多核定的重大建設的補助也被通知要調降"},{"start":288.687,"end":303.033,"text":"那中央還暗示說院版通過之後就會恢復主席長這樣是什麼意思如果修法沒有通過那中央可以先這樣下修補助然後用恢復當作交換條件嗎這難道不是在逼地方要接受院版的才化法嗎"},{"start":305.162,"end":324.563,"text":"我跟委員說明一下因為我們昨天討論的一個市權分配的原則大部分都是跟114年度相同所以一般財政局或者主計方面他們都非常的熟悉那請問一下昨天有沒有市權清單有沒有財務估算"},{"start":327.378,"end":334.897,"text":"如果沒有的話 什麼叫做事權花分誰能夠表達意見 因為什麼都沒有嘛而且你下放的事權有哪些"},{"start":337.062,"end":363.303,"text":"主席長你昨天有告訴他們要下放的市權有哪些嗎還有呢每一項的市權需要多少的裁員地方是不是能夠負擔額外的人事成本那你只想說什麼單軌二軌三軌你這些具體的目標都沒有講你要地方怎麼表達意見而且你們的新聞稿還特別提到說地方都普遍都同意了只有少數幾個縣市事實上據我了解在座的根本沒有同意是因為就沒有版本要怎麼同意"},{"start":363.863,"end":389.429,"text":"不是 因为这个部分最后的一个数据是明天会宣布但是昨天讨论的主要是原则的部分昨天请他们来开这个市权的这个划分的会议不就是真的是争笑吗不是 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