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有沒有想過一件事情我們的這個海嵐七法大家這樣很認真"},{"start":265.908,"end":284.842,"text":"下次他換鐵殼漁船來破壞你的海底電纜有沒有這個可能有可能跟委員報告根據這個不管是各類船舶只要有類似狀況我們都是查阻的標準都是一致的那我們現在海岸企劃裡面在船舶法裡面就有特別規範關閉AS他是有罰則的"},{"start":285.803,"end":308.192,"text":"我知道這個都有發生我現在就是提醒說狀態很多大海那麼大其實你們也很辛苦我覺得身為一個主權國家還是要有一點點強力的措施我覺得如果只有跟監看到情況不對才登檢"},{"start":309.072,"end":332.001,"text":"我覺得啦,對一個主權國家我覺得好像有點不夠,不知道署長你的看法跟委員報告,那其實對於可疑傳播,如果是違反相關規範我們是有權可以扣押,然後代盤偵辦的報警整頓,然後代盤偵辦那有可能你也發現了一些事實才有嘛,對不對那有可能這一個"},{"start":333.411,"end":346.361,"text":"嫌疑人了 有可能是嫌疑傳了是我們不能驅離 不能什麼嗎呃 根本沒辦法 如果還這個還能七法 修法通過以後就可以處理了現在不行嗎現在沒有罰則 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