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AI而是利用AI如何去让他们学得最大的帮手像我们的酷英网我们的学生利用即在你在偏乡利用酷英网我们根据我们的调查如果经过酷英网你只要四个小时以上它进步是15%以上那新生减量呢"},{"start":906.579,"end":935.156,"text":"行政减量一样我们现在我们也在推动那个Try AITry AI我们那个我们也是在学习说如何比如说写公文比如学写写什么样的文字对对对我们要教导他们所有行政我们教育部也是开始做起如何去去应用他们应用AI得到最大的帮忙对对对我们是要希望能减少教学第一线的老师的行政减量好我们朝这个方向去走好谢谢次长谢谢主席"},{"start":936.077,"end":936.984,"text":"谢谢林一金委员"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}