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鳳鳴長 劉卜接下來要跟你們就教的這個在昨天其實在我們未還委員會有討論但是我覺得它蠻重要昨天未還委員會主要是要修法因為前一陣子在新北市有一個違反家暴令的男子"},{"start":347.651,"end":375.694,"text":"他被釋放之後立刻當街殺了他的太太跟他的小姨子那引起社會的嘩然所以怎麼可以就是違反保護令然後立刻去殺人但是呢這個案子引起大家比較高度的關注但是就在那個時間非常接近的時候其實台北市還有一個案子就是這個女公關她被割喉慘死"},{"start":376.995,"end":402.662,"text":"大家後來也才發現說她也是一樣她也是被家暴而且呢施暴者施暴者其實也是違反保護令然後回來就把那個女公關給當街割喉慘死所以我們就要去討論這個違反保護令的問題在昨天我們在委員會都有提到也就是"},{"start":403.562,"end":432.043,"text":"家暴的申請羈押率以及被羈押率都非常非常的低羈押率我記得大概就是5%上下而已那當然 當時呢 我們檢察司司長是說因為家暴案件啊 他的探向非常非常多他的母數很大好 但是我現在要跟兩位討論的違反保護令 違反保護令那個 鳳鳴長 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你加爆令是隨便發的嗎"},{"start":735.458,"end":761.518,"text":"家暴令不是不能随便发不是吗报告委员因为现在在那个有关于那个积压那个要件确实在那个家暴防治法里头他已经有一个做一个那个特别规定了那这个当然就是实务上怎么做的问题可是就是说一律如果说完全不留下这种裁量那个空间违反那个家暴令就积压的话他可能对于本来给你们裁量空间但是呢"},{"start":762.219,"end":780.746,"text":"但是留財糧空間的結果就發生像這樣的案例因為家暴的太陽太多了就是有些他可能那個侵害法益真的沒那麼重沒有錯因為檢察官的意思說家暴我剛才就講嘛有時候你可能什麼夫妻吵架或短暫性或什麼"},{"start":781.526,"end":803.426,"text":"你還不容易拿到這個保護令因為拿到保護令它是有門檻的保護令是有門檻的我現在不是說你違反就是你家暴你就應該羈押而是你違反了保護令你違反保護令有給你一些這個限制然後這是法院發的保護令然後你還違反"},{"start":804.807,"end":832.025,"text":"就應該進行羈押我是這樣認為啊我不想再看到這樣的這種悲劇再發生啦是不是希望檢查系統也好或者法院系統也好看到我們違反保護令的案件節節升高那就代表是不是根本我們在司法上面沒有這個遏止的一個效果好不好"},{"start":832.947,"end":839.136,"text":"好希望我希望在法務部跟那個司法院能夠去做一些研擬好不好好謝謝好謝謝王委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}