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這個寧接部長好像也有那麼一點端倪出現喔那未來喔 我們每年掌握200億的體育預算喔我們希望喔 這相關的事情絕對不能再發生這個署長或者未來有希望的部長 您可以承諾嗎幫委員 這部分我們會盡最大的努力去防止這種事情再次發生啦好 謝謝謝謝委員好 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比方說怎麼下注啦 怎麼玩法啦 去教客人啦這部分那適合他們的專業 他們是有受訓的這樣的一個人才的把它保留下來是非常好的那我們在下一頁看看就是說113年來講的話呢它的實際的盈餘 銷售是643億那盈餘是70多億"},{"start":4277.265,"end":4292.37,"text":"那這些部分的話怎麼去運用到你當初就是要在運動發展基金當中的那幾項內容怎麼去做分配比例那當然還第二個問題在於說它佔了十分之一的盈餘才作為運動的基金那這部分成本有這麼高嗎"},{"start":4294.144,"end":4322.405,"text":"就是十分之九都碰到到其他部分在運用部分我們主要是針對人才培育國際賽事的部分這兩個是我們目前最大的支出那事業創新研發部分我們是有去做融資的輔導但是這部分的確業務目前是比較沒有太多的發展那再來是營餘的部分占十分之一這是當時立法的時候因為我們畢竟這是有社會責任它不是它是特許行業因為畢竟賭博在台灣是不被允許"},{"start":4322.845,"end":4342.991,"text":"在特許行業之下它其實有社會責任在所以當時是10%進到運動發展基金由運動發展基金來支持我們我國家的運動人才的培育以及國際賽事的舉行好 那講到國際運動賽事我們看下一頁這地方的話它這樣子佔我國推廣整個體育經費的比例是多少打這個英語基本上它都是用在我國體育的推廣經費 百分之百"},{"start":4351.394,"end":4373.581,"text":"沒有我是說這個彩券運在我國所有的運動體育的部分一半那這樣子所以其實它也只有一半的這樣輔助因此可是你又前面十分之一像我們今年是158億的整體預算裡面大概有編了將近差不多80億左右是來自於運彩"},{"start":4375.27,"end":4391.611,"text":"OK 好那所以大型運動的國際賽事當然也是你現在所送的部分嘛所以這部分就是也是用到運材的營運事實上是有的有就是我剛剛講說人才培育及大型的國際賽事交流好那我們現在可能看看這部分再下一下下看一下這裡"},{"start":4393.288,"end":4398.473,"text":"好那另外一部分我們就看到是的確用到這個大型賽事的部分是好事情啦那我們又看到體育的部分是在全民運動這邊是好事情好那這邊有聽到說很多的運動的這個人口啊體適能啊等等的好傳統的優質體育文化的部分"},{"start":4409.423,"end":4427.087,"text":"那這些做全民運動當然是很棒的一個狀況像我們往下看的時候有一個很重要的問題在於說看到全民運動的人口比例在變成35點多是在增加當中那你全民運動這邊部分有沒有特別針對不同的分離化在做事情再下一頁好嗎沒關係 再下一頁"},{"start":4435.319,"end":4455.601,"text":"因為全民運動上是好事我剛才看到這邊看到35點多%是好的情況那可是每個人的年紀不同剛才有這個十幾二十歲的啊二十幾歲然後到六七十歲的七八十歲的這部分好那分離了這個部分全民運動有沒有有沒有特別去加強說他有一些不同的這個運動參與方案跟場域上面的一個策略"},{"start":4456.55,"end":4473.857,"text":"保委員這部分我們過去全民運動在推動的部分呢主要是靠公務預算那其實預算的部分的確有一些限制所以我們當然希望運動部成立我們主打的就是全民運動的推廣所以這部分我們在積極爭取更多的公務預算來投入那這個調查呢我們現在講整個整體的"},{"start":4475.637,"end":4503.871,"text":"我國規律運動人口比例是35%但是電話調查這些數據是有加權前跟加權後這屬於統計的問題因為每個年齡層他的接收到電話的人數都不一樣所以這是統計的一個加權比例去計算但整體來講就是35%但我們希望在接下來幾年能夠再有一些成長的進步的空間可是應該會有場域上面要不同的差異對 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包委員除了行政書室再來場地的部分我們在努力來改善好 那剛剛這幾個部分就是說這四個部分那多久之內可以給本席一個報告"},{"start":5909.122,"end":5923.431,"text":"我們應該一個月內就可以給一個月內齁 四個問題齁 那我就不重複時間到了齁好 OK 好加油好 謝謝 謝謝范雲委員署長請回接下來請李昆城委員"},{"start":5934.699,"end":5937.465,"text":"謝謝主席我們請這個體育署署長好 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是竹協他要先把這個場地先把它品質先把它控制好嘛不是跟高雄市政府有關係啊那怪到說這個什麼高雄市政府還有這個委辦的這一個那家公司沒有把這個"},{"start":6087.069,"end":6113.004,"text":"草皮的這個品質把他維護好這根本不是本末倒置啊包圍他的新聞稿應該沒有去怪罪廠地方啦應該是他自己的問題沒有錯啦好那同樣的問題齁那你認為這個足協這方面我剛剛有聽這個範圍委員問你就是說要怎麼樣去做懲處你說行政懲處就對了就扣款我們這部分我們打算目前我們在研議啦因為這一次的賽事我們可能打算就不核定給他們了"},{"start":6114.222,"end":6137.296,"text":"什麼意思?這場賽事我們其實原本有補助三百萬,但是我們這一場就不補助他們了。他就住宿他的所有相關的費用由他們自行承擔。所以就是說本來這一場補助三百萬扣掉,那其他的還有其他的組份嗎?因為我們去年在主寫的國際賽的部分,是差不多他們申請了一千八百萬左右。"},{"start":6138.256,"end":6157.561,"text":"你們給他經費是大概超過一億喔?對對 但其他的部分都是跟選手的培訓他的權益相關以及他的聯賽相關那我如果把那邊給扣掉其實犧牲的是選手的權益這部分我們省慎評估啦但是我們先把國際賽的部分我們先做懲處對 這足協就是綁著這些選手啦 對不對選手我們知道說經費不能夠扣"},{"start":6159.855,"end":6173.785,"text":"包委員那部分也是補助款其實那一次也是他們不會從裡面去獲利這部分沒有辦法所以至少這次的這個比賽本來要補助不給他們就對了那接下來呢包委員我們再要求他兩件部分第一個就是他的"},{"start":6175.774,"end":6202.163,"text":"SOP任何的比賽前一個月一定要進場做草皮加強養護第二個我們現在跟高雄市政府在協商希望中正體育場能夠轉型為A級的足球場地來降低他們整個高雄市的足球比賽的一個壓力因為目前只有兩個場地其實有辦演唱會幹嘛可能就沒有辦法所以我們希望中正體育場能夠來取代這樣子的一個增加多增加一個場地因為其實台灣能夠辦這個國際型的足球賽的場地有幾個"},{"start":6203.291,"end":6227.511,"text":"目前A級就台北跟高雄國家體育場而南梓它不是A級它是算在兩個國家同意之下它可以在這邊辦比賽但不是A級場地那台北是田徑場嗎它是A級場地對啊它是田徑場通常都共用啦對啊所以其實這也凸顯了台灣缺乏大型的足球賽事的場館啦對 報告委員我們其實都有邊境費但是各縣市政府都"},{"start":6228.376,"end":6251.128,"text":"不願意提出申請這部分也是我們目前比較為難的地方你們有編經費有有編經費 縣市政府沒有提出申請比方說我去年我去年公建計畫編了4億的足球的經費但是來申請只有一億多所以其實我本身那原因在哪裡我自己去拜託各縣市所以像新北市政府也沒有來申請就對了其實都有其實我們都有主動去跟縣市拜託說請你們為了我們足球的發展來申請場地"},{"start":6253.546,"end":6277.947,"text":"那我問一下新北市政府有來申請嗎新北市他們其實是過去是都有的啦但是包圍園我們有勘台的場地會面積真的比較大所以這部分的確縣市部分比較比較沒有沒關係署長你把那個資料給我好不好就是說你們有編了生意的經費是然後只有1億多地方政府來做申請一開始就1億多對你把這個資料來給我"},{"start":6280.289,"end":6282.37,"text":"今天是運採條例,21條之一的修正草案不論是院版或委員版本,大同小異"},{"start":6298.243,"end":6323.536,"text":"都是對於說這個針對意圖營利犯罪加重刑責那把這個強暴脅迫利誘等等呢希望都把它納進去我相信這個方向大概大家蠻有共識的啦我認為這個大概比較沒有什麼大問題但是我要請教你就是我們這個運彩發行條例的這個第六條它有提到說這一個運彩這個彩券的這個支出呢不得超過售出彩券總金額的78%"},{"start":6326.225,"end":6345.199,"text":"那也就是說 但是還有個段數可以做調整啊那也就是說 每賣出100塊大概只能提撥78塊作為獎金那我請問一下 這個有沒有機會再去做調整就是說讓這個 就像一般的民眾他有更高的意願來買這個運動彩券報告委員 其實"},{"start":6349.942,"end":6372.66,"text":"我想外界在新聞部分有一些小小的誤解啦那78%是我們在年度總結算的時候不能超過78%如果超過78%就有發行機構自行吸收但是在單一的賽事的這個投注標的它其實可以試情況可以調到90幾都沒有問題但是整年度它必須要自己去挪用自己去雲支然後降到78%"},{"start":6374.361,"end":6391.394,"text":"所以比方說像十二強賽斯他如果為了要吸引大家來買氣他可能可以把它調到90幾%那誰來調有發行機構自己決定因為他整年度就是平均78以下但是他單一的可以看他的情況什麼賽斯的情況他自己去做增加或降低這樣子"},{"start":6392.573,"end":6418.138,"text":"那整年度這78有再調整的空間嗎?包委員我們這部分的確有經銷商提出一些激勵的方案我們在研議但是因為第三屆合約都已經簽了我們希望在第三屆結束前我們把這個討論完整之後我們希望第四屆能夠有一個更合理的一個支出獎金支出率的規定那這一屆是到哪一年?8年後"},{"start":6421.363,"end":6448.02,"text":"八年之後 所以還剛簽約嗎對 才剛第二年而已他意思是幾年十年十年喔 是所以這是八年之後的事情喔對所以這段時間沒有辦法去做調整嗎這個太複雜而且是有權利義務就是合約契約的問題這個可能沒有辦法在這個十年內去做這樣的變動但是你說就是發行機構它可以針對不同的賽事它可以去做調整它可以去做調整就對了是的"},{"start":6448.8,"end":6467.772,"text":"好 那如果契約已經定了 好像目前也只能這樣子那我們會加強跟經銷商去研議出更好的方案出來啦我們當然希望下一屆的時候可以讓大家更好的環境因為我們還是把大家產業的概念在...對啊 那就產業其實還是要吸引民眾比如說在十二強大家就覺得說那有在關注"},{"start":6469.794,"end":6482.509,"text":"這個當然就是會去買彩券的比例就會比較高那現在其實職棒開打之後我看每一場的人數大概最少都有五六千以上那最高就是滿場那其實都滿熱的但這是從十二強這個賽帶上來的啦我希望說這一個這個關於"},{"start":6487.214,"end":6501.659,"text":"職棒 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打斷您 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國安都很重要但是我覺得這個文化主權啦這個運動的這個賽事的成果跟這個象徵性也很重要我想教育部不缺這些學生的學雜費體育署有沒有什麼方法協助他們"},{"start":7908.732,"end":7937.16,"text":"又是跟國防部的溝通也好啦還是我們能不能從教育部上面 課業上 行政流程上來協助包委員 基本上我們這部分牽涉到病因的問題我們當然還是會積極來跟內政部溝通啦在學籍的部分 我覺得這是學生的選擇啦我想大學 念大學其實我們現在很多的科系 科大在電競的部分其實都很不錯啦那這部分我們再來跟委員這邊進一步了解他們真正的需求好不好"},{"start":7938.06,"end":7960.032,"text":"從課業上行政流程上或您剛提到這個課大我們一起來努力那我想這個隨著體育署要升格體育部我想這個接下來不管是電競人才或者是體育人才在一期之間的權益還有部長我們剛剛提到這個教師的薪資面臨到接下來經濟的震盪跟通膨的壓力拜託請教育部的同仁部長署長們我們一起來努力好謝謝葛如君召委"},{"start":7966.82,"end":7969.743,"text":"好 部長署長請回接下來我們請吳佩奕委員謝謝主席 我請庭屬鄭世忠署長好 我也請鄭署長"},{"start":7985.424,"end":8013.534,"text":"好 署長好最近一定很多人跟你關心紐西蘭女足來到台灣本來要跟我們台灣女足來進行友誼賽結果因為場地的問題比賽被迫取消那我想這除了球迷很失望我們國家的女足隊員也一定也相當失望因為這次一個紐西蘭人家是前段班嘛世界排名的這對我們來講本來是一個很好的交流的機會但是呢紐西蘭的女足因為考量到球員安全放棄比賽"},{"start":8014.594,"end":8029.029,"text":"這其實是正確的態度但對我們的球員來講這其實是失去了一個很好的機會所以我現在想要請問署長的事到底發生什麼事怎麼辦包委員之前我有剛剛有回覆幾個委員的這個提問"},{"start":8029.81,"end":8044.606,"text":"那這一次主要的原因在足協的技術部門他們在3月12開始其實有一些教練講習啦男足的一個練習啦等等其實他們那個時候其實可以把場地移到別的地方去讓這個場地專心來做一個加強的草皮養護那他們"},{"start":8047.629,"end":8070.644,"text":"去年在輔導他們在台北停電場的時候其實那時候就有要求他們在一個月前就開始做草皮養護那這個SOP他們今年沒有落實所以造成了在比賽前草皮的養護過度磨損無法使用所以SOP是場地的問題還是竹鞋的問題就是竹鞋它本身沒有來做草皮的加強養護所以竹鞋在行政管理上面出現問題嗎那我們的體育署怎麼辦"},{"start":8074.126,"end":8102.435,"text":"報委員這部分我們其實一再的要求他們那我們這次的賽事我們跟同仁講這次的賽事的補助我們就撤銷了撤銷嘛足協有疏失體育署要加強督導署長你有沒有覺得這個對話很熟悉也是去年三月的時候一樣是我跟你一樣站在同樣的位置當時發生什麼問題不是高雄台北市去年就發生了嘛台北田技場男足的"},{"start":8103.737,"end":8115.514,"text":"所以後來六月賽事我就要求還要台北市體育局跳出來打臉足閒說人家一年前就有場地預控會議你當時沒來參加等到比賽靠近了又再臨時抱佛腳"},{"start":8117.583,"end":8129.367,"text":"還去發聲明說協調到最後一刻真的沒辦法了當時也是高雄的男子球場跳出來解救啊然後最後是怎麼收場的呢最後是改成用兩張發票換進場然後因為男子這個球場本來就不是國際標準場燈光不符所以調到下午比賽時間大家都在上班所以當然球迷的權益又再次被忽略了所以去年的時候署長也直接講"},{"start":8147.153,"end":8174.487,"text":"足協有疏失體育署要加強督導就一年之後我覺得非常遺憾我們到今天還在遇到同樣的問題包委員我在六月的時候就已經有輔導他們他們應該要學會了可是我不可能每一場賽事都一直盯著他們署長棒子與蘿蔔啊是這是你們主管機關你們的政策工具是所以這一次補助撤銷但不能只有個案因為顯然嘛一而再再而三發生問題尤其是場地"},{"start":8176.843,"end":8181.805,"text":"去年就發生今年又發生我們一定要盡到我們主管機關的責任因為這個影響的是我們球員的權益還有球迷的權益好不好好這個接下來呢場地的問題我想除了這個個案以外"},{"start":8192.469,"end":8199.172,"text":"我們體育署之前也告訴我們說接下來要在各個縣市我們希望可以再增加場地總的來講我們總數就是不足嘛是那因為財務法的影響接下來我們可能也會需要更多地方政府的幫忙所以希望體育署或未來的運動部我們要積極的跟地方政府主動來討論主動來協調只要有適合的場地我們全力來支持包委員高雄中正體育場目前有就在談希望它成為第三座A級的場地"},{"start":8219.659,"end":8231.33,"text":"好那場地我們一定要持續來增加那今天是運彩條例的修法的詢答那其實就是因為今年初我們修訂了運產條例主要在處理是加重處罰非運彩的投注標的賽事的違法行為就是防堵那我們現在回頭來要來修改運彩條例就是要去處理作為運彩投標注的"},{"start":8244.161,"end":8246.502,"text":"投注標的這個賽事我們希望這兩個法的法則它的樣態可以相當所以這個我自己也有提案但除了加重處罰以外我今天要特別跟署長討論的是我想對於球員的待遇球員的處境工作就業的環境我們要加強的來輔導權力的支持我認為這才是源頭因為當初會發生主投威脅利誘"},{"start":8271.796,"end":8299.314,"text":"球員打假球其實一部分是在於我們像職棒元年的時候當時我們的球員月薪最高只有8萬所以其實當時的待遇是不高的所以容易被這樣子威脅利誘那我們好不容易走到了今天今年我們終止25個球員月薪有超過50萬其中有25個球員都超過50萬那有三名球員月薪是已經突破百萬所以我想我們在成長當中"},{"start":8302.016,"end":8313.724,"text":"成立運動部之後我們要更加強來支持球員他們的環境所以我想第一個我三個具體的建議第一個我們會成立運動產業發展中心嘛協助產業發展以外"},{"start":8314.813,"end":8343.171,"text":"改善選手的就業環境我覺得這個一定要當成第一優先要務這個應該要優於產值我希望我們運動部要把它放在這是我們的政策目標當中第二個去年署長你有親自搭建平台嘛就是跟直籃工會還有籃協來進行溝通我覺得跟工會的這個平台我們要去持續而且擴大項目去運作第三個呢是今年我們台灣的排球企業聯賽也要走向職業化但是雖然叫"},{"start":8343.971,"end":8368.767,"text":"企業排球聯賽但裡面很多他們是學生球員嘛那我想我們有很多經驗可以傳承像從這個直籃工會其實就從直棒工會學習到了很多當時創立的制度跟相關的機制所以我希望未來我們運動部成立之後也要來加強的輔導希望讓我們可以把這個制度傳承下去可以縮短這個花時間去摸索的時間來協助保障選手的權益好不好好"},{"start":8372.429,"end":8389.374,"text":"好那最後要跟署長討論的是我知道成立運動部在籌備當中其中我很關切的是台灣品牌賽事體育署最近有舉辦相關的論壇那打造品牌賽事呢在行政院的運動部諮詢小組第一階段總結也有結論結論就三點第一個我們要創辦以台灣或城市為名打造台灣品牌的"},{"start":8398.538,"end":8406.083,"text":"國際運動賽事第二我們要支持地方政府來籌辦國際賽事我們希望要吸引國外的選手來台灣交流那這也是可以帶動我們本地的運動產業第三我們要去發展有台灣特色的運動項目以及新興運動項目所以今天我要特別跟署長建議的是我認為未來在思考台灣品牌賽事的時候新興運動項目是一個非常值得我們去輔導扶植的"},{"start":8427.678,"end":8444.77,"text":"項目例如說街舞因為這我長期有在關注我發現到他們過去就跟國際其他國家的這個交流已經非常之深了例如說像日本有一個近30年歷史的Dance 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謝謝那再來呢就是關於今天的主題關於就是我們運財條例的這個增訂那其實為了防堵這個假求案在發生呢大家其實蠻有共識的就是增訂一些相關的法則但是我這邊再提到一個就是關於我們運財獎金的支出這個議題我想問一下我們體署這邊的意見"},{"start":9430.615,"end":9455.001,"text":"因為業界有在反映就是說運材的獎制率就是比較低比國際上的這個行情還要低國際市場大概在80%到90%這個支出那我們台灣這麼低的這個獎制率比較難以吸引玩家來投注那署長你之前有表達過說可能我們可以在內部進行討論我想知道說你們現在討論到怎樣的階段包委員那現在的"},{"start":9458.202,"end":9481.713,"text":"因為賭博在台灣是不允許,它是特許行業它還是肩負著社會責任所以它的成本上面22%裡面有10%是進到國家選手的培育這一塊其他是經銷商以及發行機構那78%是整年度的一個平均值其實我們發行機構可以針對不同的賽事需求可以去把它調整到九月幾或甚至六月幾"},{"start":9482.273,"end":9490.316,"text":"78%裡面去調整單一的調整就對了那其實我本席在這邊問這樣子的關心這樣的議題除了說是說我們希望說我們提高我們民眾他們喜愛運動那也可以在這個部分我們來投注希望能夠創造我們這個運產的收益"},{"start":9501.92,"end":9513.688,"text":"其實連帶的就是希望說我們運發基金的收入可以更高因為在8月份我們運動部掛牌之後呢其實有學者專家評估說我們至少要再投入400到500億的經費才能讓整個的運動產業能夠蓬勃發展當然我們現在必須要很積極的來籌措相關的經費"},{"start":9519.332,"end":9534.459,"text":"那所以說我們希望我們體育署這邊可以研議在運動部成立之後我們要怎麼樣來推動相關的這些運動的政策在這個運採的這個獎之率是不是提高這個部分我們希望有空間可以繼續討論"},{"start":9535.6,"end":9542.823,"text":"包委我們會用產業的概念這種觀念來持續跟經銷商們來做對話那我們當然希望在第四屆之前我們能夠有一個更好的一個方案提出來讓他們第四屆開始能夠有更滿足的那你相關的如果你們也討論之後有怎樣新的一部的訊息也希望給我辦公室這邊資訊另外我要再問一下今年體育署的預算被大幅的刪減"},{"start":9558.308,"end":9571.711,"text":"那在加強學校體育活動及教學發展向下的這個經費被減列了兩千萬但是這一項經費主要是用於各校的運動設施及器材的補助而且根據113年運動統計顯示體育署補助給各級學校的這個"},{"start":9578.413,"end":9599.398,"text":"經費光是體育器材就高達309案操場有105案還有風雨球場的各式球場超過100案那根據本席過往的經驗體育署補助學校的經費一般都是不夠的我想請問說我們往年這一項經費的執行率是多少是不是真的是都不夠支應"},{"start":9601.099,"end":9622.337,"text":"報委員如果單純講執行率可能沒有辦法反映出整個全面因為執行率有時候還要看縣市學校他發包的程度所以我們過去其實執行率在去年的執行率大概是在八九成左右其實還不錯那但是呢我們這一次因為通山的影響以及凍結的影響特別在通山的部分所以我們被管控了大概三成的經費所以我們勢必要去砍"},{"start":9623.118,"end":9645.23,"text":"把一些給學校的一些設施器材的補助去砍下來因為我們必須要先保住人事費相關或是活動相關的這個就是本席擔心的地方那其實剛剛提到說除了你們被通商的部分呢其實在減量兩千萬的部分可能就是數十案的學校補助案會被犧牲掉那當然你們這邊也知道說剛剛講的因為預算不足啊所以可能會減少對學校運動設施器材的補助"},{"start":9647.671,"end":9668.568,"text":"但是我要講的是在我的選區的學校相關經費的申請就是一直在排隊學校年年送年年等年年等我要請他們年年都在送每次每年幾乎都有十幾個案子十幾個學校就在等等體育署的補助等你們的經費等你們可以核給他那我也要求他們年年都送他們也很有那些每年就是聽我的話在送那這樣的情況之下你們又要減少這邊對他們的補助那他們要等到什麼時候"},{"start":9675.706,"end":9703.039,"text":"你們有什麼因應的措施嗎 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展覽等等可是我們動資網就很多就相對陽春了就是說我們在動資網是用營業列別去分類這個讓使用者去搜尋"},{"start":10283.857,"end":10310.117,"text":"可是你用營業類別去分類的話這個學生其實很難懂所以有青藤先生真的要來參考文化幣的APP的藝文消費點的地圖有這個消費點的地圖我們使用者就可以依據所在位置去查詢周遭可以使用動資券的地方所以我想本席針對剛剛提到這個問題是不是我們體育署有相關的規劃改善的措施"},{"start":10310.937,"end":10329.478,"text":"包委員謝謝您那個剛兩階段的部分主要是因為要防避因為之前有到臨的情況所以有兩階段的一個認證那其他您剛提到的不管是APP不管是網頁的呈現體育署雖然在文化設計方面很永遠不如文化部但是我們會跟他們學習謝謝委員的建議我們會回去做好好的改善"},{"start":10329.758,"end":10356.545,"text":"好 所以做一個APP很重要就是說跟文化必要有做一個APP那我想目前因為可以領用動資券的年紀是16到22那我大致看一下使用的情形去年領券率是38%那今年到4月7號為止領券率差不多17.53%整體使用狀況其實並不高所以是不是有什麼樣精進的措施來提高"},{"start":10357.605,"end":10377.477,"text":"這個鼓勵年輕人來使用動資券那後續有沒有像文化幣一樣年齡往下延伸那這個是不是有什麼計畫?鮑委員我們有提出一些進行的方案包括我們可能未來要拜託跟國教署高教技職師一起來協助就是我們在學校舉辦的體育相關的活動、課程、社團、校隊"},{"start":10380.619,"end":10395.147,"text":"還有我們一些家長有讓孩子們在高中的階段有一些運動相關的一些課程其實都可以來推廣所以我們也會接觸家長的這方面的一個協會請他們來協助一起宣導其實學校端他們的運動相關的這個消費在校內發生的其實學校也可以來申請成為店家那我們跟UBike也有結合在全台灣的風景區大概從4月底開始有UBike的情況"},{"start":10408.955,"end":10426.734,"text":"這些也都可以結我們的青春動資券所以我們其實有積極在努力在尋求運動文化這件事情我們也在討論是不是有一類是運動相關的展演或者是一些博覽會之類的我們是不是也把它納入這部分我們內部正在討論當中年齡向下延伸這部分"},{"start":10427.915,"end":10453.191,"text":"委員我這邊我再跟院方這邊做一個請求好 那我是建議說或許說我們如果說有一些達到某些目標的使用者像說看運動賽事啊或者從事室內運動及戶外運動這三大項目都有使用過的人針對這些人來加碼或者說寒暑假也可以加碼這個也提高他們要使用的這個意願啦好 以上謝謝署長 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝怡謹 札韋部長 署長請回座"},{"start":10462.602,"end":10473.156,"text":"好 接下來我們請郭鈺晴委員好 謝謝主席 有請署長好 請署長委員好"},{"start":10480.259,"end":10498.024,"text":"剛剛其實有很多委員都有提到我想你應該知道我等一下接下來要問的一個問題喔足協其實從過去到現在正義一直不斷那在2024年的時候其實也被踢爆就是讓女足的國家隊簽署了這個不平等的合約那包含"},{"start":10498.724,"end":10516.895,"text":"其中的合約有一些所謂的像肖像可以無限期的使用這類非常非常不公平的一個合約在內那另外呢他也曾經積欠過這個女足的薪水一直到最近又出事了那本來預計是在高雄男子足球場"},{"start":10520.458,"end":10536.78,"text":"是昨天应该要来进行跟纽西兰的女足的一个比赛但是呢也因为场地的关系那这个纽西兰队表示安全是绝对不能够容忍退让的底线所以他们就不参赛了"},{"start":10537.48,"end":10562.649,"text":"這個對於台灣一直不斷的我們在講我們現在要推廣足球或者是在足協在這個部分不管是場地也好或者是在我們在跟別人在溝通也好或者是足球足協內部的管理也好因為這個場地在三月下旬仍然持續開放男足的訓練請問這到底是足協的問題還是體育署的問題"},{"start":10564.83,"end":10586,"text":"報告委員 足協內部技術部門跟競賽部門之間的橫向溝通出了很大的問題那既然三月中都是他們接的場地其實他可以把教練講習跟男主的訓練移到別的地方去其實我們國內是沒有缺少訓練的場地我們主要是比賽的場地缺乏那當然這部分我們還是希望足協趕快找到秘書長能把這個橫向的聯繫把它做好那體育署這邊的責任呢"},{"start":10589.568,"end":10616.926,"text":"我們這邊目前我們在跟高雄市這邊也在談我們希望把中正體育場把它做為第三座的A級的場地那目前正在規劃當中那我們還是持續尋覓其他各縣市如果是比較大型的田徑場館是不是也可以有共用來再創造更多的A級場地不然我們的A級賽事場地都永遠在這北高這兩個其實壓力太大了那針對竹鞋這一次的疏失我們是把這一次的補助300萬把它撤銷"},{"start":10617.904,"end":10640.675,"text":"除了這之後要怎麼樣跟足協好好的來做嚴加的管理其實我們去年他3月發生場地的事情的時候我們在6月其實有輔導他們在至少一個月前都要進行草地的加強養護那SOP他們這一次又沒有落實所以我們這次會請他們把它落實把它寫下來書面化要求他們在每一次的比賽過程要有個"},{"start":10641.395,"end":10656.04,"text":"檢核表這一定要落實不是只有書面化就是檢核啦書面化我們紙上彈兵沒有用啊我知道就是要檢核這個是真的是要是執行面的問題啊因為他們就是攻略人員的行政能力因為這一次這一次的整個所有的國際賽事被取消這個對於台灣來講其實是相當丟臉的一件事情沒有錯"},{"start":10659.381,"end":10675.631,"text":"所以足协要付出非常大的一个责任那刚刚其实提到场地的问题我想在去年其实我们也挹注了许多的地区包含高雄然后台中宜兰然后还有新竹我们是不是也正在进行所谓的足球场"},{"start":10676.371,"end":10696.993,"text":"就是符合國際賽事的足球場的這樣子的一個興建或者是我講的是台中的部分我們不是有一個首座的足球運動休閒園區也包含兩座符合國際標準的足球場那預計啦 當時是說預計是在今年會完工那現在的工期到什麼進度 有沒有延長"},{"start":10698.014,"end":10718.757,"text":"台中的部分應該是明年才會完工不過台中的部分它是一面符合國家級的一個size是天然草皮另外一個人工草皮的部分只有在U20以下的size才能夠進行所以明年才會完工對那就跟2023年當初我們講的那個計畫是今年完工是有延宕的這個部分工程本來就比較難預料啦"},{"start":10720.205,"end":10738.644,"text":"所以是明年才會完工接下來我想剛剛其實署長也在其他的委員在質詢的時候有特別提到我們一直在推廣基層足球的一個發展一直在推廣但是全國國小足球世界盃現在是你一定要停辦"},{"start":10739.946,"end":10755.666,"text":"那我們也收到了許多家長的陳情啦那他們其實是很焦慮也很心慌因為孩子呢可能從五年級他有參加到六年級現在他挺辦了但即將要面對的是國中"},{"start":10756.267,"end":10771.854,"text":"那接下來要到國中他是要繼續讓孩子踢足球呢還是我們這個計畫為什麼停辦那當初停辦的原因是什麼或者是說有沒有跟家長來做溝通或者是跟學校校方的基層的這些教練們有來做說明為什麼停辦因為我們在108年創辦"},{"start":10778.117,"end":10802.757,"text":"之後其實是很多很多小學的隊伍都極力的參加到了112學年度已經達到了782隊報名參賽這已經是創下了一個非常好的一個紀錄但是好不容易我們到了高峰結果說今年這個113學年度是要停辦的這個停辦的說明有跟剛剛我提到的家長或者是跟學校的教練有來溝通嗎"},{"start":10804.198,"end":10830.062,"text":"報告委員我們這個問題分兩個層面第一個由於今年的通山以及凍結的因素我們公務預算的部分被要求控管三成的經費所以我們必須把人事費相關還有聯賽選手權益等等我們先保護住還有一些學生的保險等等那這一部備賽我們的確是目前是沒有足夠的預算來進行這場賽事所以不得不捨棄但是我們也同時找了專大學者一起來商討也是一些賽事的"},{"start":10830.802,"end":10856.368,"text":"基層賽事的主辦方來討論我們世界轉型把它變成一個社區的賽事未來我們不排除我們會做社區的就是說不是以學校為單位而已而是以社區包括社區一起納進來一樣是這個年齡層在學童的年齡層來辦理這個賽事但是我們目前的確在公務預算方面我們目前是沒有多餘的預算來做這件事情所以確定全國國小足球世界盃已經是劃下據點了我可以這麼講嗎"},{"start":10860.089,"end":10882.549,"text":"這原因是這樣子因為我們真的就是今年的預算沒有辦法那明年呢我們運動部的部分我們積極爭取我們現在當然有編只是我們積極爭取我們的預算那什麼時候我們才能夠知道說今年停辦我們其他的你剛剛所說的所長所說的一些社區的我們要怎麼樣來個別來做這樣子的一個推廣"},{"start":10883.294,"end":10904.629,"text":"包委員這部分就第二個層面來講我們現在足球的賽事越多隊伍數也越來越多也就是說我們的足球場地其實越來越滿所以我們也很擔心說我們現在在這個時間點來舉辦社區的賽事因為不管是足協其他的聯賽其實都有這個年齡層的賽事都不缺乏"},{"start":10905.109,"end":10932.031,"text":"那我們要不要再增加造成場地更大的負擔我們也是有在跟一些賽事的基層訓練基層的賽事的主辦方來討論那我們會審慎的評估但是對我來講我當然希望比賽越多越好包括我們未來的社區化全民運動孩子的聯賽我們希望能夠在週末盡可能在週末不影響的課業的方式來進行這方面的賽事所以停辦的主因就是因為我們這個會期的同山的部分"},{"start":10933.252,"end":10959.607,"text":"好 那我們想辦法 是 我這邊努力的想辦法好不好 因為我想這個基層足球的發展對於很多的孩子來講 很多的家長來講其實他們是非常非常的抱有希望啦那也是全民的一個運動 尤其是向下殺根的部分好 那再來就是運動彩券發行的這個部分我想呢 這個我還是要問一下 就是署長您自己有買過運動彩券嗎"},{"start":10960.888,"end":10983.954,"text":"報告委員我不被允許我不能買好你沒有買平常朋友家人有買過嗎有聽他們講有買好玩嗎我不知道因為我沒有買過所以你沒有收集到其他人的資料嗎有其實經銷商他們都會跟我們做一些回饋反應那我知道委員要問的是應該是講資率的部分"},{"start":10984.955,"end":10994.666,"text":"這個部分我想我們蒐集到的一些資料就是15個專家一起做了大概750場的一個預測記得是專家那這些專家當中其中有412場是猜對了338場是猜錯了"},{"start":11000.874,"end":11016.359,"text":"命中率是54.9%但是這樣子的命中率到最後還是賠了24,880元那可敬這個誘因還有它的這個應該是說投資報酬率或者是說它的這個中獎率它的"},{"start":11017.48,"end":11032.997,"text":"讓大家吸引大家來買運動彩券的這樣子的吸引力其實是不足的那這個部分我們是不是有可能來做一些鬆綁或者是來做一些改變讓這個獎金的支出率可以提高它的上限"},{"start":11033.658,"end":11053.46,"text":"保委員在現有的架構下運動彩券因為賭博在台灣不是一個容許它不是不被容許它是一個特許的行業那還有社會責任在那其實它獎資率78%是一個一整年度的平均值它其實針對不同的賽事它可以到九十幾或者是到降到六十幾由發行機構自己去做運用"},{"start":11053.92,"end":11077.332,"text":"那當然78%裡面有22%是它的成本就有10%進到我們的國家對這類培訓或者是國際賽事另外有經銷商以及發行機構那我知道經銷商他們其實希望我們國家的部分能夠在一定的收入之下能夠做一個讓利讓這個獎勵率可以有所提升那這部分我們正在做研議那我們當然第三屆已經簽約了那我們希望在第三屆的期間多聽各方的意見"},{"start":11078.593,"end":11100.079,"text":"整理出一個更好的方案來做修法那第四屆的時候就可以按照經銷商他們的期待我想如果有提高這個獎金的比例其實也能夠挹注在運動發展一些基金的項目啦那我想這個是雙贏的一個局面所以其實應該也要來近期之內就是積極的一些研議啦好 謝謝 謝謝署長 謝謝主席謝謝委員好 謝謝郭育晴委員好 署長請回我們接下來請鍾嘉斌委員"},{"start":11129.128,"end":11141.39,"text":"好主席在黨委員先進列席的政務機關署長官員會長共同夥伴媒體金淵女士先生雖然大家都問署長還是要讓部長出來走走路散散步來請部長和署長好有請部長署長還沒接上去喔等一下下喔"},{"start":11147.52,"end":11155.065,"text":"那個還沒接上去二委員好現在第一頁 部長好 署長好 來第一頁好 這個請問部長 這邊怎麼唸台灣國小世界盃我去年去參加的時候 他說台灣國小世界盃"},{"start":11176.724,"end":11201.264,"text":"其實呢的確有人這麼斷句念台灣國小世界盃我也覺得蠻認同的啦因為國小世界盃這樣的分林賽前面有委員問到了但是呢很積極在推他讓台灣大大的增加了曝光所以呢難怪我們那些在屏東踢足球的說我們去參加台灣國的小世界盃小朋友參加的了解齁 所以要繼續支持好不好可以嗎 部長"},{"start":11205.326,"end":11223.758,"text":"當然好 謝謝 我們開始正題啦 下一張其實剛剛有很多委員在關心的啦我相信部長署長跟我一樣都沒有參加過這個所謂的地下賭局 應該沒有啦就算有也不能承認啦不過小時候有沒有聽聞一些長輩去那種地下賭場的 有沒有也沒有聽過 有啦不一定可能年齡 有可能聽說長輩去的地下"},{"start":11232.671,"end":11239.334,"text":"請問一下,你認為目前我們地下賭盤跟運動彩券什麼樣的差異?賠率大家都說毫不猶豫賠率為什麼地下賭局的賠率會比較高?我真的問一下,這個要問保證一般我們如果在地下交通"},{"start":11260.389,"end":11278.035,"text":"做莊業莊家是抽多少?你看馬上主要講5%我合理推論他只是聽說啦抽5%嘛那另外95%的賭資是不是拿來當彩金?對不對?那為什麼地下賭盤它可以開的賠率比較高?因為它收的什麼?"},{"start":11279.295,"end":11306.602,"text":"他收的中間的抽選 抽得很少啦但是我們台灣運彩呢 不一樣對不對 來 好所以部長喔 請先回那我們先問署長就好了來 繼續往下走運彩的賠率低啊所以很多民眾跑去打地下球板是不是那剛剛署長有回答啦我們是不是運彩基金為什麼運彩條例為什麼寫總金額獎金支出不得超過 為什麼"},{"start":11308.171,"end":11335.893,"text":"超過78%包委員他是一整年度的平均因為他有22%的這個成本那成本裡面包含他的社會責任有10%要進到運動發展基金培育人才其他是經銷商以及發行機構來對付所以我們來看一下運彩條例的第六點說總金額不得超過78%但是發行機構提出營運計畫維持配套基金主管計畫核定者不在此限所以有沒有空間"},{"start":11336.613,"end":11345.365,"text":"包委員他的意思是指說你在一整年你的不同的賽事有高有低但是一整年平均下來不能超過78他沒有這樣寫啊他是說"},{"start":11347.83,"end":11372.244,"text":"每一單項的運動彩券獎金單次發行的不得超過總金額的78%但是偶爾可以超過但是整年下來不能這個條文我讀不出這個意思同學當然有特殊原因像在我們在疫情期間的時候特殊狀況我們會有一些特殊的做法那那個特殊的話有沒有符合我們法律的規定有符合它准許你可以金主管機關核定的不在此限是不是這樣"},{"start":11374.108,"end":11380.178,"text":"是嘛我們會有獨島小局去審如果他們有提出來的話我們會去審他我知道署長都很謹慎我們還是要看一下"},{"start":11381.144,"end":11407.056,"text":"其實運動財運發行條例我們的獎金支出只能78%我們看一下香港是82%有些是90%90%跟我們台灣的地下球板幾乎差不多了對不對所以香港的可能他沒有去提撥給這些運動基金你所知道香港的這82%他們有把他們的獎金拿去運產拿去做什麼運動支持嗎有沒有包委員只有台灣是獨有的10%全部進運動基金是的"},{"start":11407.916,"end":11424.709,"text":"所以說因為台灣獨有這10%所以台灣的運財要跟其他外國的縱使是合法的都有一個競爭力上的困難你去香港的話就是82%的獎金拿出來啊所以它賠率讓人高嘛那這怎麼去克服?蘇長有沒有什麼想法?"},{"start":11425.209,"end":11446.506,"text":"報委員我們跟經銷商在談就是說希望在一定的收入營收之下我們可以在政府的這個10%的比例可以做一個降低讓他們有更多的空間去激勵經銷商來營運抱歉我剛剛有一個比例其實一個比例我們大概是10%是基金12%是行政費78%所以這個行政作業費佔了12%大概你不能動那個10%只能從這12%去調對不對"},{"start":11454.153,"end":11460.601,"text":"包委員這12%就等於是經銷商他們的收入我不覺得他們會願意退讓所以我說其實就是這樣子這跟稱呼抽稅一樣"},{"start":11466.874,"end":11491.559,"text":"你關稅提高進口量降低你能抽到的稅反而變少但是你的關稅降低進口量增加總體的你拿到的絕對金額是多的看比例行政就是銷售的發行單位他好像會說比例降低了嘛但是如果發行量增加很多去地下球板的跑來這裡他是不是總TOTAL的他的可營運的作業費提高"},{"start":11492.379,"end":11512.68,"text":"我同意,因為這是更產業的思維,這是對的。但是因為第三屆已經簽約,這部分我們可能要第四屆才能夠來進行。好,再來我們講第二個事情,因為今天是審條例。運採條例的行政法本席的版本有加上這第四項,但是行政院為什麼把它刪掉?"},{"start":11513.632,"end":11541.815,"text":"報告委員因為其實這個部分在一般的刑法就已經有規定所以沒有必要在這邊繼續在名列啦好你說因為刑法有規定所以我行政法就不名列嘛我們看一下刑法是什麼妨礙公務罪要以執行者是公務員行政機關滅證罪未證罪這是另外是不是但是我們往下看行政法有跟刑法不能同時存在的嗎我們酒駕"},{"start":11543.257,"end":11567.398,"text":"酒駕如果在這個標準,0.15到0.25之間是行政法,累犯無上限扣掉照,對不對?有沒有行政法?有。但是酒測值超過0.25的,就是什麼?公共危險,不能安全價值,這是刑法。所以行政法跟刑法,可能它的行為的對象的程度不同,有可能是客體不同。所以本來行政法跟刑法就可以同時存在,往下看。"},{"start":11568.078,"end":11581.04,"text":"但是你現在運採條例你知道嗎運採條例前面他說的是什麼往前跳兩頁他說的是法人團體這是不是行政機關有沒有行政權有沒有構成妨礙公務沒有"},{"start":11582.199,"end":11599.503,"text":"但是呢如果我們行政機關我們體育署我們要去調查他要主動配合他不主動配合我就可以罰喔但是你來看一下滅政罪跟未政罪往下跳滅政罪跟未政罪第一個妨礙公務要必須對公務員強暴脅迫我們行政法如果說有球團作弊他只要沒有去妨礙公務員他就不構成"},{"start":11608.411,"end":11630.518,"text":"滅政罪我必須檢察官舉證他有偽造、變造或陰秘或隱匿證據或者說他做虛偽陳述這必須針對的是什麼?針對的是自然人球團是自然人嗎?教練可能是啊 球員可能是啊配合打假球 放水這個裡面行政法他沒有妨礙公務啊"},{"start":11631.769,"end":11659.94,"text":"你要舉證他有什麼有這些行為舉證之所在敗訴之所在行政法要求我要調查他有沒有放水打假球我必須要有這些內容的主動陳述但是跳回去行政法怎麼樣再往上行政法只要你不主動配合我就可以罰你了解沒有要不要舉證我叫你把資料交出來我問你那天你跑去哪裡有沒有跟那些莊家那個叫什麼"},{"start":11662.006,"end":11672.886,"text":"賭職的那個聚賭的這些抽頭的人見面吃飯有沒有配合調查他不配合調查那我就可以行政罰了了不了解"},{"start":11673.789,"end":11695.716,"text":"所以我要說明的是說 我們在整個條例的設計上第一 行政罰跟刑罰是可以並存的第二 刑罰罰的是自然人他的妨礙權利的課題是公務員當我們要確保運採 運動健全發展不會被職業賭博滲透我們必須行政機關 掌有一定的要求他能夠配合調查"},{"start":11696.756,"end":11714.502,"text":"他如果不配合調查你就是罰他什麼 行政罰嘛他可以行政救濟嘛但是刑法就很嚴格刑法你必須證明說球員或教練有跟這些賭客有一些 你有證據證明他有隱匿 有滅證罪 有未證罪不然的話你罰不到他往下看 我們看結論往前跳一下"},{"start":11717.912,"end":11734.025,"text":"好所以呢 個人如果觸犯運採的第21條第4項行政院說我們回歸刑法 我們沒有問題對不對 個人自然能觸犯了嘛他妨礙公安怎麼樣嘛但是如果是法人跟團體 他違反這第4項目前你根據刑法你罰不到"},{"start":11735.544,"end":11756.612,"text":"這樣了解差別了齁我們那個體育署跟我們教育部有法務嘛你們回去研究一下因為我們今天是審法條所以我希望呢你們跟行政院也溝通一下今天委員的提案我們希望未來能夠確保我們的運動在職業運動的過程當中不會運踩的發行造成的我們就要防度過去看結論"},{"start":11758.24,"end":11776.762,"text":"我們就是希望說除了保障10%的運動中基金提撥外請你檢討獎金的支出率提高的投注誘因遏止地下賭盤的壯大而且也不會損及到承銷商的權益第二運彩條例保留未配合調查的行政法配合刑法的相關法則才能完善防弊"},{"start":11777.603,"end":11794.414,"text":"署長 回去要不要研究一下會 我們會把委員的意見帶回去研究帶回去給誰研究 給部長研究嗎我們會跟法務部一起來研究這部分什麼時候可以給本席一個答覆這部分 我們一個月內應該是可以好 一個月內 好那就兩個題目 謝謝您 謝謝主席謝謝委員好 謝謝鍾嘉斌委員 謝謝署長好 我們接下來請張雅玲委員"},{"start":11811.585,"end":11836.013,"text":"謝謝主席 我們有請體育署署長好 有請鄭署長委員好好 署長早安我想我先快快地問一下有關於運財條例的部分就是說其實剛剛前面的仲嘉斌委員也講得非常清楚就是說我們要如何提高現有的獎金支出率來增加更多的誘因 避免進入賭牌這也是許多 不管是運財公會所希望的一個方向"},{"start":11837.213,"end":11853.252,"text":"我想剛剛因為其實說會去研究如何的去調整我們現在的一些行政支出我們還是必須要去確保我們要給運發的這個基金不能夠受影響那如果這有相關的研究報告我希望也可以提供給我們辦公室那這下一個問題呢我想我們就針對這個因為現在運採雖然已經有"},{"start":11857.656,"end":11874.168,"text":"總類逐年增加但是大多數還是以國外賽事為主那國內大概也只有中華職棒可是其他賽事如果是像GP BL PLG也都還沒有相關的賽事來開盤那如果民眾想要針對這些賽事來投注的時候勢必就可以看到這網路上面非常容易就可以找到一些地下賭盤的一個資訊"},{"start":11876.67,"end":11884.176,"text":"所以我想了解就是說因為這個可能會讓民眾在不管是做非法的投資也好那他可能也會進入一個詐騙的範疇之內所以我們到底有沒有可能來加開更多屬於我們的國內的賽事呢"},{"start":11891.789,"end":11915.069,"text":"報告委員其實這部分我們持續跟台灣運財一直在研究啦那他們給我的回覆是說因為這兩個TPPL跟PPL都是一個新的資訊不夠嘛是不是數據還不夠可能需要一年的時間至少讓他run一季run完之後他才有足夠的資訊所以這樣子拼起來就是明年應該可以的是嗎有機會但是說實在我不是這方面專家他們有一個專業專人在做數據的分析啦所以這部分我會持續要求他們"},{"start":11915.891,"end":11934.959,"text":"這部分大概什麼時候我們可以知道他們分析的結果呢因為地下土盤還是要一年之後所以應該是要明年所以預估他們就是明年的時候我們才會有一些相關的研究報告是嗎那除了這個除了這個籃球賽事之外那其他的一些國內型的賽事一樣就是要穩定的賽事數據那這部分要去做評估當然他們最怕的是愛國盤"},{"start":11941.321,"end":11959.938,"text":"就是說我們12強中華隊對誰那大家都壓中華隊那他們要嘛就是大贏不然就慘輸所以他們的數據分析有他們的專業那這部分我還是要適度的尊重他們的數據分析的專業那我還是會持續拜託他們就是還是要針對有興趣的國內有興趣的投資標的要能夠盡量開盤"},{"start":11962.2,"end":11984.423,"text":"接下来我还是要问一下有关于女主我想大家都问得非常多我也听了非常多署长的解释跟说明但我想先问第一个问题就是署长过去也担任过主席的秘书长你也知道这是一个非常重要的工作但是主席的秘书长多久没有人了?从我之后就没有了对,从2023之后就再也没有人了那在过程之中体育署怎么样协助他们呢?"},{"start":11985.937,"end":12009.407,"text":"其實我們當然持續要求他們去尋找但是他們就是找不到有人敢去接這個秘書長那我們是不是可以去預判接下來足協要舉辦的相當多的賽事還是會出去出狀況的確委員的疑慮是有存在的所以我們接下來我們當然輔導他針對在他們的賽事前的準備的檢核這一塊我們會加強力道去監督啦"},{"start":12010.063,"end":12027.855,"text":"好 因為我想這一次最大的問題是他9月去年9月才去做一些場地的租借跟協調的部分所以他基本上也做不太到什麼場地啦這是第一個問題那這個行政作業現在就因為缺乏秘書長帶領整個團隊去做所以這會造成第一個不要說這個啦這個一直以來"},{"start":12028.635,"end":12051.33,"text":"出了非常非常多的包啦我覺得體育署可能要更積極的來去協助他們就例如他有一些相關賽事而且去請領我們的預算補助的時候呢我們應該要更早之前就要去監督了這個部分可以嗎報告委員我們其實有一個補助辦法SOP的整個的審查機制啦不過的確草皮真的算是單項協會的專業啦那部分我們的確比較不會"},{"start":12053.812,"end":12060.768,"text":"真的一直去頂啦但是基於這次的原因我們接下來會對竹協這一塊會做比較強的力度的一個監督"},{"start":12061.807,"end":12086.12,"text":"因為我想 因為據我所知 足協提供給紐西蘭女主的照片是一個形象照啦 與實際上來台的狀況落差非常非常的大所以這個在協助他們未來 如果要給予任何補助的話我覺得這都要特別的注意喔 它是不是提供真實的現場給對方再來就是說 3月31號其實體育署就已經知道沒有場地可以使用但是當時有沒有集結去協調"},{"start":12087.441,"end":12089.322,"text":"其他的A級場地剛好都已經有人在使用了就沒有辦法"},{"start":12095.202,"end":12120.963,"text":"好 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我覺得場地是一個問題啦但是足協還是要持續的來監督那再來就是說這也是跟足協有關係啦因為昨天他公布了這個消息就是勝利聯賽要跟足協的青年青年聯賽來正式合併嘛那接下來如果我們再去勝利聯賽是一個蠻不錯的聯賽過去的風評都很好現在跟足協合辦的時候其實坦白說我非常擔心我非常擔心場地會出包"},{"start":12186.017,"end":12205.792,"text":"如果你主席的這個作業系統的話,所以這個麻煩請署長一定要強力的要求,好不好?法務委員,據我所知啦,我想他們的結合主要也是在場地的部分有一個合作,因為我們現在就講,場地真的不是太不太夠,所以他們的合作是,我想這個方向是有它原因在,不過勝利連山他們主要負責還是在U14以下啦,"},{"start":12206.492,"end":12233.297,"text":"對這是因為足協的協調能力跟許多的應變能力對許多來生不要說女主好了少年盃光報名也就粗暴所以這個我希望真是要強力的來執行跟監督我們的足協的這些相關的問題因為它畢竟還是我們足球基層運動一個蠻重要的一個主辦單位那再來另外一個就是說國小世界盃要停辦剛剛我也聽了組長的一些說明但是我還是要講就是"},{"start":12234.017,"end":12244.9,"text":"足球世界盃的参与对数其实是远高于少年盃跟学童盃它是每一年都在增加的所以这个赛事其实还是非常非常重要第二个就是说"},{"start":12246.325,"end":12266.917,"text":"他這個賽事我有聽到說要改成八人制我有聽說要從五人制變成八人制這個是不是可以署長跟我做個說明一下目前因為預算的因素目前我們還沒有辦法去附辦所以也沒有所謂的競賽規程這方面都其實都沒有辦法所以我們現在都是在討論的階段而已那我這邊當然"},{"start":12268.018,"end":12285.296,"text":"不希望任何的賽事因此就沒有了所以我們這邊持續的想辦法去爭取預算那這樣聽起來就是預算的影響因為這一次三檢預算的關係動山的部分造成了這個世界盃沒有辦法舉辦那還有沒有相關的賽事受影響呢主要是公務預算的部分是這個賽事受比較大的影響"},{"start":12286.576,"end":12314.142,"text":"對那其他的聯賽的部分我們盡量保持盡量維持但是我們就是必須要去把一些給學校的補助啦等等去做一個刪減這個是不得已的做法所以這個是目前沒有就是未來如果要復辦的話是沒有打算走八人制嗎這個我想確認一下這個部分我們還是要跟專業的這些基層的訓練基層的這些賽事主辦方去多討論因為這部分說實在我真的不是專業的部分那我們還是會廣大建言"},{"start":12314.462,"end":12337.903,"text":"那委員如果說希望家長也能夠進來一起討論這部分我們會要求同仁一起把它納入好 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臨時提案是不是能夠有部分的文字修正"},{"start":12972.219,"end":12994.86,"text":"就是說按由的第二行裡面持四件顯件到監管不立這個是不是可以刪除然後把第三行的兩週我們可以改為一週其他我想我們就尊重委員的這中間好像有一些筆誤的東西第二點第二點的第四行"},{"start":12996.662,"end":13025.143,"text":"沒有裝設監視器沒有證據他寫他可能這個可能要修正一下證據他可能寫錯寫證據好那那針對這個部長教育部這邊的修正文字本席沒有意見所以第一案有沒有其他委員有意見那如果沒有意見的話那我們第二案就修正通過那第二案提案委員有什麼說明沒有"},{"start":13027.598,"end":13027.82,"text":"萬美玲議員"},{"start":13042.316,"end":13066.313,"text":"我想谢谢赵伟今天早上其实在咨询的时候有跟部长交换过意见首先非常谢谢部长在3月31号当美国贸易代表署提出来的时候部长有在第一时间去回应说我们目前都是依法禁用对于我们现在所谓被点名的台湾限制的美猪美牛或者是马铃薯"},{"start":13066.773,"end":13089.302,"text":"基改食品这些被列为美国认为是不必要的贸易障碍甚至于直接要求我们能够取消现在学童一样午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令教育部在第一时间回应说我们目前都是依法禁用我想这非常的好但是当然本席也会比较担心因为基改食品的禁用其实第一个我们有明令在学校卫生法第23条当中第二个"},{"start":13089.722,"end":13111.64,"text":"我们学校所有的这个学校的这个营养午餐的业者也好或者营养午餐的执迷老师其实都已经从过去到现在这么多年了我们只严守着这个守护孩子的健康所以在这个部分的话我们是希望说因为我们即将在这个政府院长要去这个美国去做一些沟通谈判"},{"start":13112.381,"end":13136.532,"text":"那是不是呢在能夠守住孩子健康的這件事情上我們能夠繼續達成共識能夠持續的來嚴守我們學校衛生法第23條那第一點沒有問題就是我們在學校供應餐食的時候食材要能夠使用在地的優良農產品那第二個也就是我們在禁止使用含基因改造的生鮮食材及其出級的加工品這個部分那教育部能夠一本"},{"start":13137.452,"end":13164.36,"text":"过往到现在守护孩子的初衷那么你也能够跟我们这个妇美团能够来讲我想守住孩子的健康是我们大家共同的一个坚持所以呢做这个临时提案那也希望在未来我们在这个新的这个学校营养午餐专法出来的时候在这当中也能够明令我们能够禁止这个基改的食品已经过去在我们学校卫生法第23条当中相关的规范"},{"start":13165.02,"end":13193.532,"text":"那看教育部這邊好 那教育部有沒有補充說明謝謝委員 謝謝主席我想有關委員所提的這個我們大概也大概有部分的文字修正就是說這個精神基本上我們是認同的也就是說在第二段裡邊是不是加一個維我國衛生法後面然後第二段的倒數第二行花文回應是不是把花文兩個字也同意可以刪除"},{"start":13194.592,"end":13218.898,"text":"沒有 那個已經刪掉啦那已經刪了那第三段就是守住學童 剛才委員所提的守住學童健康是全民底線守住是不是加兩個字然後另外第三段的倒數第二行將禁止使用這個將到最後一段的最後一行的民定儀這是不是能夠同意刪除 然後"},{"start":13220.137,"end":13245.331,"text":"研修中之教育部板加高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例括弧草案不得排除學校衛生法第23條第三項有關禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其初級加工品之規定以上 懇請委員支持"},{"start":13246.468,"end":13262.779,"text":"好 那其他委員有沒有意見我們請張雅玲委員我想對於那個教育部的一個版本我沒有什麼意見但是有個提醒就是說因為現在就是還是在談判的過程之中所以我們可能還是要跟這個經貿辦事處保持一些密切的聯絡"},{"start":13264.58,"end":13286.75,"text":"跟那個聯繫這樣子吼那所以基本上我們還是尊重現行的一個法令好的一些規範那但是我們想我們也是應該要尊重這個教育部的一個行政的行政權的部分吼所以這邊做一個提醒 謝謝好 謝謝張雅玲委員那還有沒有其他委員要補充說明的或者要表達意見的好 陳佩玉委員"},{"start":13291.169,"end":13309.836,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想要請問一下教育部在這個提案裡面我們有看到學校衛生法23條有明文規定那這個明文規定目前在各縣市落實的狀況或者是監督集合的狀態是什麼是不是真的可以目前執行行政措施上的執行真的可以讓我們的家長放心"},{"start":13311.277,"end":13328.836,"text":"可不可以請教育部說明一下因為我在想就確實現在是處於在討論階段但是目前我們不管我們就算沒有目前就算沒有專法可是目前因為學校營養午餐除了有農業部相關的食材補助然後有學校衛生法的把關"},{"start":13329.557,"end":13350.345,"text":"那甚至我們其實有非常多的抽檢都有在進行那相關的食安事件也確實越來越少的情況下其實我也不是很確定說像這樣的提案是不是可以不一定要提因為我們本來就有學校衛生法23條在照顧孩子們的食安這件事情而且食安也不會只有基改的問題啦我想要請教育部回應一下好 教育部說明一下"},{"start":13350.985,"end":13373.104,"text":"跟委員報告謝謝委員關心主要我們現在目前大概有平台所有的營養午餐他都會登錄在這個平台然後他所用的以我們現在各縣市實際的在營養午餐的推動就是直接落實在這個營養午餐的契約這個採購契約裡面他提供食材的一個契約裡面"},{"start":13374.986,"end":13399.709,"text":"要求廠商要嚴格遵守這個三張一Q然後國有的優質的這個農產品我想在這個部分基本上我們的學童以現況來講就不會有觸及到所謂的這個衛生學校衛生法裡面第23條第三項裡面提供相關的大家所擔心的這些基改的生鮮的食材以上"},{"start":13401.636,"end":13419.546,"text":"好 裴委員你要補充嗎那主席我可不可以有一個不情之請我們可不可以休息五分鐘討論一下這個內容因為我認為我自己的小孩也都一直在學校吃營養午餐所以我也真的非常認同萬委員的擔心跟顧慮我也知道很多家長都很擔心因為我們確實對於基改食品的不理解"},{"start":13419.986,"end":13437.631,"text":"那我們可不可以討論一下文字內容在照顧孩子們的權益照顧家長的食安擔憂同時也讓衛福部真的是可以有空間好好做事的情況下我們再確定這個文字內容不知道萬委員可不可以接受好 那我們就先休息好 謝謝萬委員 謝謝好 先休息五分鐘"},{"start":13502.534,"end":13505.102,"text":"谢谢观看下集再见"},{"start":13526.314,"end":13545.143,"text":"走不掉了 老闆哥他一點也不適合我還去哪裡 接見完畢了可以啊 回來一天只需要你多一欄那邊啊那天到我一天多一欄都不完畢了"},{"start":13547.176,"end":13563.473,"text":"請問請問"},{"start":13567.261,"end":13569.423,"text":"對阿倫幫我解釋一下好不好我知道阿倫很想知道阿倫的問題阿倫很想知道阿倫的問題"},{"start":13591.228,"end":13601.737,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13613.012,"end":13616.661,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13626.515,"end":13636.198,"text":"你不得用排審嗎?"},{"start":13655.043,"end":13666.084,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13708.2,"end":13720.162,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13752.78,"end":13753.622,"text":"謝謝收看,下次見!"},{"start":13782.364,"end":13795.227,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13803.43,"end":13807.232,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13823.49,"end":13843.951,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13843.951,"end":13844.852,"text":"然後放水之後 它還會有透露"},{"start":13869.113,"end":13896.152,"text":"然後那個顧名義就是說 說說有一個樣子 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 它有一個不搞不大的 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它有一個不搞不大的"},{"start":13899.497,"end":13922.312,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13923.587,"end":13926.471,"text":"我們都知道,我們就是不標準,不標準就是關鍵的位置,不是不標準的位置。"},{"start":13941.903,"end":13962.602,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13963.893,"end":13963.913,"text":"謝謝觀看"},{"start":14004.774,"end":14005.354,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14012.316,"end":14016.838,"text":"今天在教育部參觀的是死刑討論"},{"start":14041.428,"end":14064.382,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14086.673,"end":14086.693,"text":"好,謝謝"},{"start":14099.816,"end":14100.677,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14115.674,"end":14116.254,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。"},{"start":14146.121,"end":14146.161,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14173.704,"end":14173.744,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14185.887,"end":14189.808,"text":"這裏太兇了這裏太兇了這裏太兇了這裏太兇了這裏太兇"},{"start":14209.754,"end":14232.341,"text":"這張照片是在2012年7月1日拍攝的"},{"start":14243.924,"end":14244.204,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14268.865,"end":14287.312,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":14316.566,"end":14317.566,"text":"我看能不能農業併服"},{"start":14329.368,"end":14330.569,"text":"那這個就先講到這裡"},{"start":14359.164,"end":14360.913,"text":"到這裏,然後自然有一點暗"},{"start":14362.739,"end":14376.002,"text":"因為它是我的命運所以我是覺得就這一季就不難了因為委員的精神我們會守住嘛你的精神就是在後面這個我們是會完全守住的方法"},{"start":14389.224,"end":14408.558,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":14411.783,"end":14418.866,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":14431.749,"end":14460.64,"text":"對,對,對,對,對,對"},{"start":14460.64,"end":14470.947,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":14474.917,"end":14492.71,"text":"好 沒問題 沒問題 好好 等一下"},{"start":14499.534,"end":14521.181,"text":"好 我們繼續開會那剛剛溝通的過程對 剛剛溝通的過程現在原提案萬美林委員有同意做一些文字的修正那是不是再請部長做這個最後的文字的修正的闡述謝謝 謝謝委員"},{"start":14529.744,"end":14536.493,"text":"是不是按鈕能夠改為美國第一句-刪除有鑑於3月31號加兩個有鑑於三個字3月31美國貿易代表處"},{"start":14549.244,"end":14550.885,"text":"那後面就是跟剛剛的修正一樣"},{"start":14572.95,"end":14597.651,"text":"我確認一下好不好 因為那個部長講的不是太順那我們按由我把它改成第一句我們就同意 我同意就把它刪掉但我們改成有鑒於3月31號美國貿易代表署USTR在2025對外貿易障礙評估報告中點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品等政策是不必要的貿易障礙"},{"start":14598.291,"end":14620.836,"text":"然後甚至直接改成並要求我國取消學童營養午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令然後驚嘆號改成句點第一段改這樣的好不好那其他的部分的話是不是就照剛才好OK好那其他委員有沒有其他意見好那如果這樣的話我們就修正通過"},{"start":14622.381,"end":14633.593,"text":"好 那我們接下來就來繼續質詢我們請洪孟凱委員 洪孟凱 洪孟凱委員不在不好意思 不好意思 我一直看那邊 不好意思 不好意思"},{"start":14646.637,"end":14661.048,"text":"請主席記得雖然你是統一私名我是兄弟相名但是我們兩個還是可以在關心教育文化體育的部分好好努力來謝謝請鄭部長跟鄭署長好有請部長署長來部長署長"},{"start":14673.527,"end":14692.036,"text":"很嚴肅的還是要講一下紐西蘭女足來台灣到最後沒有辦法舉辦比賽的這個事情所有球迷都沒有辦法接受我知道早上你已經講了丟臉兩個字但我覺得還是要釐清幾個部分跟真相以及事實還原記取這個教訓因為這真的已經是國際笑話了"},{"start":14694.578,"end":14708.391,"text":"聽說連紐西蘭他們球員那邊也都有來關心說為什麼台灣那麼先進的國家為什麼會到最後連一個場地都沒有辦法打我想請教一下到底這一個比賽什麼時候確定我們邀請紐西蘭女足來辦"},{"start":14709.292,"end":14728.809,"text":"抱怨這部分是紐西蘭主動來邀請希望來我們我國來什麼時候確定的是在11月的時候確認去年11月對去年11月10月邀請11月確認去年11月嗎對所以有大半年的時間那那個時候場地就已經確定是在楠梓了嗎是"},{"start":14729.914,"end":14753.554,"text":"那時候男子的場地有沒有要求說要符合相關的標準包委員在兩國的有這種小型的積分賽只要兩國同意就可以雖然它不是A級的場地但是是可以使用的但這是睽違五年的國際女子足球隊的一個邀請賽是包委員就是當時什麼時候開始售票"},{"start":14756.357,"end":14779.488,"text":"幫委員這部分我沒有掌握到但是他們對於A級的場地當時的確就接不到了三月二十一號開始售票那什麼時候才知道這個場地真的非常不堪四月一號他們有他們是誰就是紐西蘭跟竹寫他們有這樣子的一個疑慮出現那四月五號確認無法進行四月一號四月六號才確認"},{"start":14783.243,"end":14804.9,"text":"在這個過程裡面 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署長好那我想剛剛很多委員都在關心這個國際賽事那當然這個部分我們還是希望教育部跟體育署要加油啦畢竟這個是我們這個國際外交很重要的一個環節那不過這個本席在這個今天的質詢的重點還是放在我們這個校園的一個安心學習讓小朋友有一個放心奔跑的一個校園環境的這個議題上面那部長"},{"start":15211.348,"end":15221.382,"text":"我想請您再看看我們左手邊這張照片去年十月的時候我在教育委員會我諮詢過這個是我們東港一個東隆國小"},{"start":15224.891,"end":15240.786,"text":"部長你認為這個跑道適合學生放輕奔跑嗎我想這要立即改善,這沒有什麼任何討論的空間大概就是立即改善部長你去年有這樣給我答應,但是到目前為止這個案子還沒有核定我想那是我的疏漏,我們回去馬上來處理"},{"start":15242.928,"end":15258.866,"text":"我想部長這樣的一個運動場域,我想不只小朋友會受傷,甚至很多我們的長輩放學之後在學校運動的時候,可能這樣都白曬胸胃流下來我想這個值得我們去檢討一下我們馬上來改善,我們馬上來協調"},{"start":15259.727,"end":15275.494,"text":"那當然部長我知道今年因為我們這個在國民黨跟民眾黨這個總預算把我們打到迷迷茫茫可能我們在預算的一個處理上面是真的很這樣啦我想各部會都面臨很大的壓力但是我相信這個讓學生有一個"},{"start":15276.494,"end":15293.679,"text":"好的一個學習的場域這個尤其是我們很多的學校的一個運動場所我請保定當過我們國小的老師當過大學的校長應該不容許這種現象發生所以這部分還是請我們趕快來核定趕快來處理保定這個我都答應不"},{"start":15294.719,"end":15323.147,"text":"我們會後馬上來這個處理好那我想不只有東龍國小屏東縣還有很多學校都面臨這個狀況這請部長給屏東縣的這個教育的環境給予最大力的支持那另外除了跑道之外我想本期還是要提出我們屏東縣目前盤點出來急需整修的老舊廁所總共有112間需要的經費有4.2億這部分我想我在委員會也有多次提出質詢"},{"start":15324.167,"end":15332.386,"text":"那部長這部分是不是可以一樣給屏東縣政府最大力的一個支持因為我們的這個財政有限啦齁部長這是不是可以來倒上講一下"},{"start":15338.269,"end":15357.564,"text":"謝謝委員部長有爭取行政院專款81今年執行往後兩三年內會把它全部都改善完全部都會納進來嗎我們要全部盡量把它處理好我想這個也是我們學童上廁所很重要的一個環節SUNNY能不能完成"},{"start":15358.991,"end":15381.787,"text":"跟我們屏東縣政府一起努力我們現在行政院這邊已經先給我們專款八十億了好那麻煩在優先處理那另外部長我想這個我上次質詢也有質詢到這個充實行政人力這個計畫那因為過去我們在所謂的一個行政助理的部分是補助七班到二十班這個核定一個行政人力那也是減輕了我們這個"},{"start":15383.628,"end":15410.615,"text":"老師對於這個行政業務的一個負擔那但是我想我們現在有很多的偏鄉的學校其實都是落在六班七班以下有的甚至只有六班那一樣要負擔這樣一個行政的一個文書作業的能力那是不是可以針對這樣的一個行政能力的部分能夠放寬讓所有這個七班以下的學校能夠有能力能夠來聘請一個行政助理這部分部長是不是可以來幫忙"},{"start":15412.179,"end":15440.219,"text":"現在委員關心這個有比較小型的學校特別在這個偏鄉的這一個部分我們來看怎麼樣來比較區域性的來看怎麼樣去給對 柏均我知道你那一層油漢如果說沒辦法一校一個那是不是可以周邊兩三個學校是 我的意思就是我們用一個比較區域性的來考量來巡迴的方式來做處理人力上的必須要的一些配置跟支持柏均這樣這一個裡面給我一個打破好不好"},{"start":15442.179,"end":15455.204,"text":"好那最後我想部長也很關心我們偏鄉的一個教育你也來變動幾個座部長我們今年有針對一個偏鄉的一個專班的設置那不曉得目前的進度為何請部長答覆"},{"start":15462.35,"end":15484.569,"text":"谢谢委员关心那我们师资司来报告那我们对于这个偏乡师资的这个缺乏部长也非常的关心那我们在这个学年度我们师培大学呢小教的部分会开设10个班达450人那么我们中教呢有6个领域9专长那也会来开设90人次的这个需求那我们会持续来滚动检讨"},{"start":15485.427,"end":15495.983,"text":"那這樣子的一個措施對於我們過去這個偏向的一個師資的不足甚至很多的代課老師一直課都課不到有沒有什麼正面的注意"},{"start":15496.559,"end":15517.74,"text":"是,我们这些人数都有跟国教署还有地方政府来做调查,那也是依据地方政府推荐,已经在偏乡服务一段时间,有一个门槛嘛,对,有一个服务年限,那相信对于稳定他们在偏乡的任教,还有未来帮助他们取得这个正式老师投入职场,奉献这个心力是很有帮助的。"},{"start":15518.852,"end":15534.942,"text":"我想這個穩定的這個教師的人力也是我們才是我們學生因為每個學生都會反應說怎麼每一個學期過了一個學年之後老師又換人了這個師生之間的感情也不會長久啦也不好對學生的學習也不利那部長這個政策會不會持續進行"},{"start":15536.394,"end":15551.073,"text":"跟我們報告確實我們也看到偏鄉在整個正式施肢所以我們希望既然有部分的老師他對偏鄉的教育他是願意奉獻的所以我們現在包含老師怎麼樣去取得合格教師整個那個過程"},{"start":15552.495,"end":15565.409,"text":"怎麼樣用線上學習或者利用寒暑假而不是讓他變成要進修是利用晚上既然他是偏鄉山上他不可能白正常的一個上班日下來嘛所以我們這邊我也責成這個我們師醫師要全面來"},{"start":15571.436,"end":15589.112,"text":"檢討我想結合這一個線上的學習包含寒暑假的這一些我想我們都在朝這方面來做許多的一些我剛好就是要問你這個問題因為像我們屏東有有偏鄉有園鄉有離島和村半島你要叫這個老師移到最高要怎麼去"},{"start":15590.313,"end":15612.205,"text":"這個我們確實已經在改善所以是不是可以請屏東大學他們都有師培的相關的專業能不能輔導到我們甚至小琉球一樣或恆春半島甚至園鄉去授課有沒有這樣一個機制可以做處理也跟委員報告像今年就說今年九月開始我們這個屏東大學就有特別為這個偏鄉等於說小學的師資裡面我們有專班"},{"start":15614.106,"end":15638.226,"text":"對,這個要長久來做啦,不是這樣棄板就沒有了我覺得這樣對我們偏鄉的老師相當的不公平我想事辦是因為我希望他走得快一點,因為我們已經看到問題所以不是要再去改法令,改到很多,我們事實上是反不及己對,也讓我們偏鄉的老師感受得到我們的想法跟委員所關心的是一致的對,柏林這個我們一起來努力啦希望能夠讓偏鄉的這個教育的環境變得更好啦,謝謝"},{"start":15640.865,"end":15643.729,"text":"謝謝許富奎委員 部長請回接下來請陳培宇委員謝謝主席 有請部長謝謝 部長請"},{"start":15661.653,"end":15676.623,"text":"委員好部長有一個事情其實也是跟足協有關那我幫部長整理了一些資訊因為確實有一些業務並不在部長您擔任部長之後很多是在之前那因為我時間有限我就簡單的說在去年2024年3月21號"},{"start":15678.644,"end":15703.115,"text":"我們提了一個提案那當時教育部也同意希望在兩週內通知所有被足協欠款的人那足協必須要整理欠款的明細可是從2024年3月21號目前為止到今天此時此刻已經超過一年了我們跟很多債權人問都還沒有交出來部長我說這是在您之前我認為足協真的有很多問題好再來下一個"},{"start":15704.737,"end":15730.635,"text":"當時我們還發現主寫轉播的費用呢超支了數百萬當時體育署給我們的說法呢說是因為多頻道上架所以沒有問題我們就接受了可是我們對於費用還是很有疑問所以我們去問了審計部審計部給我們的報告說體育署沒有核實審核經費的編列跟超支的合理性我依然覺得如果審計部都這樣說了我認為教育部要有更多的態度接下來下一個這個就是在部長您上任我跟您說過"},{"start":15731.896,"end":15743.344,"text":"當時呢這日本的奧運選手他很有可能得金牌喔是很有可能得金牌的選手但是因為他未成年營酒被抓到所以這個選手被做出退隊的處分我當時就問部長說台灣的足協呢卻讓未成年營酒問題退隊的球員重返"},{"start":15748.867,"end":15775.725,"text":"國家隊當時部長你也認為這個做法是不妥的我非常謝謝部長你的態度但是我跟部長報告到了今年三月的足協會議記錄部長這個是公開每一個人都可以查得到的竟然讓當時也有喝酒的教練繼續在足協擔任U17國家隊總教練國家隊喔不中再來下一張剛剛很多委員都非常關心足協我也聽到部長你早上說欸你是說什麼丟臉這樣"},{"start":15777.782,"end":15796.913,"text":"這是一個網友整理的他都還不是專業人士他甚至也沒有看立法院的轉播也沒有看什麼新聞太多他光是用輿論他可以查得到就整理出這麼多從2023年10月24日一直到目前為止我認為單項協會各式各樣的監督光是在足協這件事情我剛講都是足協到底這個監督出了什麼問題我知道"},{"start":15798.214,"end":15822.262,"text":"署長真的很認真想要解決很多問題可是如果足協這麼多一直出狀況卻讓我們行政機關背鍋這件事情到底彼此的責任跟分工那我就不再問補助金額的問題所以部長這件事情我知道今年可能8月9月我們運動部就要掛牌了那但是在這之前我相信國人還是對所有體育業務有非常非常高度的期待部長你怎麼看這件事情"},{"start":15823.462,"end":15848.113,"text":"我想我完全同意委員所剛才所提的全國國民都在關心也樂觀這個運動部的一個成立希望能夠讓全民能夠有更好的一些運動的一個場域跟人才培育但是怎麼樣讓看起來這個足球界我想會後我"},{"start":15849.153,"end":15865.911,"text":"我要拜託這個張廖次長跟這個鄭處長我看我們直接跟竹協一樣一樣來盤點到底問題出在哪裡哪些是體制上應該要來改善的哪些是屬於單向學會我想我們必須要認真地面對這個問題不然"},{"start":15868.462,"end":15893.849,"text":"國家的這個聲望 大家的努力這個臉真的是丟不起部長我們會記得今天這句話我們感謝你說出這句話你說你願意以部長的高度然後邀請次長 張亮次長還有署長跟主席我們坐下來因為部長您做的這個動作絕對不會只有宣示異議它會給未來的運動部一個很重要的底氣就是我們對於各個單項協會的監督也好 補助也好 支持也好"},{"start":15894.289,"end":15907.124,"text":"他都必須最後要服務選手服務台灣人的期待服務運動部他之所以成立的意義這件事情我認為所有的文官一定都會非常支持台灣人也會非常的支持要拜託部長我們辦公室也會積極來確認最後部長"},{"start":15909.326,"end":15937.017,"text":"我再一分鐘我們辦公室因為真的很關心運動所以我們自己非常積極的主持了辦了很多座談會一個是從兒少的運動政策一個是適應運動也就是對於特教生或者是身心障礙全年齡的身心障礙的適應運動在未來的運動部的狀態還有謝士元老師跟周思齊都一直很在意的運動文化我們自己甚至也辦了一場座談會也有非常多立法委員參與甚至還有運動外交還有運動文化的部分"},{"start":15937.677,"end":15957.321,"text":"部長這麼多都要在未來的運動部做但是我們現在不是很確定運動部的很多規劃我想我這邊就是用簡單的時間提醒外部的專家會議當然很重要但是外部的專家會議所形成的很多討論最後可以落實於政策但是這個政策如果最後又只是變成了標案委託案讓舊有的單位去執行舊有的這個運動系統去執行它會不會淪為新瓶裝舊酒"},{"start":15964.662,"end":15991.019,"text":"就是剛剛那個不管是單項協會的問題或者是各個行政人員對於這些新的政策的想像我再說一次運動外交運動文化這些事情我都認為會有非常多擔心那當然我後續也會再持續跟張亮次長討論因為我知道現在這個整合的業務在張亮次長跟署長您的身上只是這邊我還是要提出提醒那如果部長您在這邊因為有高教的經驗你可能有更多"},{"start":15992.36,"end":16017.97,"text":"經驗的回饋我認為也會對我們未來的運動部會有很大的幫助而且部長您今天很多的態度都非常正向積極我也希望我們的未來運動部也是這個狀態好嗎好 謝謝部長那後續關於那個剛剛主席的部分我們會再努力去來跟你們討論好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝主席 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝陳培鈺委員署長 部長請回接下來請葉元芝委員"},{"start":16029.755,"end":16030.617,"text":"麻煩請部長跟體育署長謝謝好 也請部長跟署長"},{"start":16039.181,"end":16064.717,"text":"委員好部長好 還是想請教一下我們這次在這個男子球場發生的事情因為這個事情據說紐西蘭媒體也報得很大我覺得這是一個蠻嚴重的事件那我先請問一下我們這個男子球場它是有兩個球場嘛對不對有一個是人工草皮的一個天然草皮的嘛 對不對是那現在本來預定的比賽場地是在天然草皮還是在人工草皮"},{"start":16065.951,"end":16076.658,"text":"我原指的是當初設計還是指現在現在的話是天然草皮主球場紐西蘭要來比賽的天然草皮主球場是要在天然草皮嗎是 因為它有看台好 那"},{"start":16077.898,"end":16096.527,"text":"我先來看一下我先請教一個問題因為這個是高雄市政府蓋的球場是吧體育署補助那如果這個球場有蓋出問題導致有人受傷或者是衍生出後面賠償相關的問題的話是現在由高雄市政府負責還是由體育署來負責"},{"start":16097.352,"end":16116.012,"text":"包委員通常我們辦賽事的話我們都有運動傷害保險不是啦 那誰負責嘛那如果是這一次的比如說要負一些這個責任啊行政責任啊應該是高雄市政府還是體育署包委員這一次應該是足球協會的行政嚴重疏失那是足球協會發包蓋的嗎"},{"start":16118.356,"end":16139.932,"text":"不是,但是這個場地本身沒有草皮的養護養護的部分是足球協會在比賽前他應該要做加強那足球協會的主管機關是?體育署所以如果假設要追行政責任應該是體育署嗎?保護委員我們這專業的部分還是希望一再的去要求協會來做那現在就是要求不夠才產生這個狀況嘛"},{"start":16142.202,"end":16161.702,"text":"對啊那你現在還要推給所有協會那如果協會的主管機關就是你們啊保偶員這部分是專業的部分還是要仰賴協會來協會仰賴協會但是那你等於是放手讓協會隨便亂搞嗎沒有嘛你有監督之責嘛你有監督之責嘛所以相關行政責任當然在你身上我覺得這不要推了啦那我們現在來看一下"},{"start":16162.523,"end":16180.29,"text":"在去年113年11月的時候高雄市政府運動發展局有申請一個照明的增設計畫這個署長你知道嗎知道你看一下他當時寫一個照明的急迫信說因為天然草皮足球場沒有符合比賽標準照度"},{"start":16181.01,"end":16199.44,"text":"然後人工草皮的足球場僅預留管線急需完善設置照明以符合比賽及訓練等使用需求換句話說在去年11月他們提出這個計畫的時候他們表示不管是在天然草皮的球場或是人工草皮球場在照明的部分都是不夠"},{"start":16200.561,"end":16223.094,"text":"好 那我們來看一下他申請這個 因為你們也有核定嘛現在進度是怎麼樣咧我們看這個工程竣工原來預定的時間是在2025年的4月1號那開始 結束是5月31所以現在的照明是還沒有驗收的換句話說紐西蘭他原定是4月8號要在天然草皮的這個球場比賽"},{"start":16224.309,"end":16246.778,"text":"他的照度如果按照當時申請這個計畫的那個急迫性是說照度不足的那4月8號紐西蘭是在白天還是晚上比賽呢他是在晚上6點半開始比賽高雄的這個日照日落的時間呢是6點17分所以他已經進入到沒有日照的時間"},{"start":16248.231,"end":16276.327,"text":"所以他今天來比賽按照當初高雄市政府申請這個計畫他的照度是不足的那照度不足的情況之下這個也允許讓這個國際的比賽進行當然人家也會多少也會擔心啊我不知道說署長跟部長有掌握到這個狀況嗎報告委員這次主要的問題在草皮的養護我知道草皮我現在找另外的問題嗎他主要是針對轉播的方面不夠滿足轉播的部分所以需要加強照明"},{"start":16276.547,"end":16302.92,"text":"他寫 你看一下他寫急迫性對 所以他是因為轉播的部分他說未服比賽標準比賽標準照度他不是講說未服比賽轉播標準一般是轉播的原因他是比賽的一環那為什麼他急迫性沒有寫說因應轉播需求他寫的是未服比賽標準照度嘛所以我覺得組長大家現在要面對問題啦好不好 這個你再去查一下然後再來我想請教一下"},{"start":16304.782,"end":16331.375,"text":"呃 現在因為有 有購票嘛 這是有購票嘛對吧 有購票嘛是那 這個票價200到400我之前看新聞好像是講說會在 什麼時候會完成退票這部分已經 陸續已經開始了陸 陸續什麼沒有啊 之前有說 會完 王子已經貼出來了蛤啊 王子已經貼出來了所以大概什麼時間以內要完成因為你購票的求名的權益你也要維持啊是大概什麼 你會要求主協什麼時候會完成退票程序"},{"start":16331.857,"end":16347.882,"text":"包委員他已經開始在進行這件事情了對我知道嘛有在開始那你總是有騎乘嘛組長你回答問題不要這樣一塊來吵架的樣子好不好現在問你問題都是問在問消費者的權益你就回答就好了嘛我知道開始啦但是你什麼時候要完成嘛這已經開始啦好那繼續繼續"},{"start":16352.318,"end":16362.938,"text":"那請問一下署長 這個是高雄男子足球場的貼文嘛 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