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安全上面是美日韓非呀這未來是不是有可能他們在軍演什麼或者是在聯合演習"},{"start":294.448,"end":320.26,"text":"台灣要努力成為觀察員那種多邊的這個架構裡面台灣好像在哪一個多邊架構有一個觀察員我說這個安全演習的部分未來台灣這個台海最重要的幾個夥伴就是美國日本跟韓國加上這個在東南亞的這個菲律賓所以這部分美日韓非怎麼樣讓這個小多邊能夠更加強化這個安全議題上面"},{"start":321.004,"end":338.008,"text":"另外台美 台灣 韓國跟日本更能夠三邊關係我覺得是一個命運共同體的概念如果南韓未來有一天說南韓有事 台灣有事就是南韓有事"},{"start":340.031,"end":354.08,"text":"這個可能發生啊這已經列入現在川普跟李在寧總統的聲明裡面了認為那個就是fact sheet那個事實文件裡面台海的問題不可能不影響到南韓嘛"},{"start":355.014,"end":384.117,"text":"但是他們也知道這個事實但沒有辦法從他們的首相或者他們領導人這個嘴巴裡面說出來所以像台灣有事 日本有事這個是大家都朗朗上口這個日本政績大家都有默契跟共識那民間也是這樣認為那南韓不敢講他們認為說這個講出來可能會顧及到中國的因素這是我們要努力的方向"},{"start":385.689,"end":408.282,"text":"所以台日韓三邊關係啊三國的互動非常密切那上次我請教過你這2加2台韓的2加2戰略的話目前有沒有進度呢是亞太斯亞太斯有沒有進度那您來我辦公室也開過好幾次會我下個月還會再去看一下這個也開過好幾次會到底有沒有進度啦"},{"start":413.636,"end":439.853,"text":"這個目前還沒有具體的進展應該這樣但是不管雙邊的2加2或小多邊的2加2去編織一個網格狀的安全架構那就是部分就是您講的小多邊因為我們目前大概跟美國都有雙邊的關係可是呢美國也企圖啦把它連結起來變成我打三年的話多邊是由好幾組雙邊所組成的這叫網格狀的一個安全架構台韓在加強"},{"start":442.435,"end":469.051,"text":"有點線面啦 把它串起來因為第一島鏈也是一個單一戰場很多大概都有這個認識但是我覺得在這個外交部這個作案代表處也要強化有一些惡鬼外交 您也知道包括國會議員在開始進行的或者是說1.5軌或是不是可以到1軌我想這個都是在國家的利益那我也要特別提到其實他們也是據他們國家的利益"},{"start":469.611,"end":486.2,"text":"不能夠沒有台灣啦因為台灣如果變缺口的話整個印太戰略就垮掉了嘛第一島鏈就變成中共可以啊到太平洋嘛我們守我們的位置他們也知道我們的重要性有些東西只能做不能說部長你講的我都同意我的結論很簡單"},{"start":488.661,"end":512.527,"text":"有交流才有對話有對話才有可能有合作的機會對不對對才有理念這個分享或者是價值觀的分享或者是這個這些這個戰略或戰術對話等等所以我說的是我自然在努力國會有國會努力的方向跟目標但是行政部門外交部也要責成諸行代表署要加強把這個2加2"},{"start":514.844,"end":522.517,"text":"把這個戰略對話整個架構把它建立起來那我們這邊來助攻你們這邊來規劃我們一起努力好不好好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}