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請不要說這麼多理由啦齁本來行政官員就是要做 我們就是要做監督嘛而且提醒了 還帶著當地居民提醒了結果事情還是讓它發生嘛這麼清楚的時間序嘛 他們大概都有記錄嘛因為他們到立法院來開會都有時間序嘛"},{"start":631.511,"end":642.556,"text":"所以我要看到您開發你剛剛講說藍綠白一樣不管顏色誰犯誰犯規誰都要處罰你剛剛講的很清楚別的事情那這件事我什麼時候可以看到開發單"},{"start":644.523,"end":663.015,"text":"已經都發生火災了 還沒有人要追究責任嗎是 包委員 那個如果有造成空氣汙染已經造成空氣汙染啦現在就是那個依空華來看還是要看他發生的原因啦他們調查發生的原因之後不是 原因就燒起來啦 他管的地區啊"},{"start":663.715,"end":687.065,"text":"也因為他們調查完之後 如果有...部長這樣不行 你現在給我胡說我也很尊重你剛剛對很多資料的掌握清楚但是這件事該做就要做我要看到開罰單可以嗎我們有權利看吧我們要知道政府做錯事要對人民負責民間做錯事要罰政府做錯事也要對人民負責也要有責任歸屬尤其我提醒了在10月提醒兩次因為我去看過 那實在太大了"},{"start":692.307,"end":710.534,"text":"那個大到整個台南倒掉的樹放阿固啊 你旁邊都沒說現在發生火災你就要推不行啦其實那個兩三個月我們要看開罰單 謝謝部長我們要看開罰單罰自己 自己做錯誰負責部長我要看到開罰單 可以嗎你答應我了嗎我來瞭解一下 看怎麼去處理我要看到開罰單 好 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}