{"error":false,"id":["165844"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":165844,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165844","日期":"2025-11-26","影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2025-11-26T10:18:46+08:00","結束時間":"2025-11-26T10:26:19+08:00","影片長度":"00:07:33","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c17930d785221be3aaace2a84e35b138020a682b421b74d94e6631682cceb1dba85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"賴惠員","委員發言時間":"10:18:46 - 10:26:19","會議時間":"2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查或處理「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算(114年度)」及「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算」決議：\n一、有關中央研究院預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n二、有關國立故宮博物院預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n三、有關國家發展委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n四、有關行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n五、有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n六、有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n七、有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。\n八、有關經濟部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。\n九、有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案10案。\n十、有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n十一、有關文化部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n十二、有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。\n十三、有關國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n十四、有關考試院主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n十五、有關外交部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n十六、有關大陸委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。\n【11月26日及27日上午二天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":0.03096875,"end":0.38534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8.41784375,"end":8.434718750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":8.434718750000002,"end":8.856593750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8.45159375,"end":9.970343750000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":9.970343750000001,"end":10.274093750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10.274093750000002,"end":12.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":12.332843750000002,"end":12.653468750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":13.176593750000002,"end":17.17596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":17.918468750000002,"end":19.67346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":20.17971875,"end":23.031593750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":23.63909375,"end":26.828468750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":28.11096875,"end":31.047218750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":31.469093750000003,"end":41.99909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":34.658468750000004,"end":34.67534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":34.67534375,"end":35.09721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":36.37971875,"end":36.46409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":38.60721875,"end":38.978468750000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":42.235343750000006,"end":42.79221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":42.30284375,"end":42.72471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":43.180343750000006,"end":55.07721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":46.84221875,"end":47.24721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":55.27971875,"end":66.58596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":55.29659375000001,"end":55.735343750000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":61.27034375,"end":61.62471875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":63.430343750000006,"end":63.73409375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":66.90659375,"end":69.87659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":66.92346875,"end":67.32846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":70.66971875,"end":83.00534375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":80.42346875,"end":81.11534375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":83.12346875,"end":105.39846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":105.48284375,"end":118.94909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":117.02534375,"end":123.38721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":121.86846875,"end":122.17221875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":123.38721875,"end":125.04096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":124.55159375000001,"end":127.31909375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":127.04909375000001,"end":155.90534375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":153.89721875,"end":177.16784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":156.15846875,"end":156.49596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":158.75721875000002,"end":159.11159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":161.82846875,"end":162.16596875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":166.03034375000001,"end":166.35096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":177.62346875,"end":196.74284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":198.05909375000002,"end":198.12659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":198.12659375,"end":198.22784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":198.22784375,"end":198.27846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":198.27846875,"end":198.31221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":199.35846875000001,"end":204.48846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":203.34096875,"end":203.40846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":204.62346875,"end":221.04284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":221.31284375,"end":227.10096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":227.30346875,"end":227.32034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":227.32034375,"end":239.74034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":228.83909375000002,"end":229.86846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":239.74034375000002,"end":239.77409375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":239.77409375000002,"end":239.79096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":239.79096875000002,"end":249.89909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":249.34221875000003,"end":274.77284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":251.51909375000002,"end":251.97471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":260.91846875000005,"end":263.23034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":275.22846875,"end":301.30034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":301.65471875000003,"end":334.47659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":305.38409375000003,"end":305.77221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":311.10471875,"end":314.53034375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":314.59784375000004,"end":315.18846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":320.97659375,"end":321.36471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":334.69596875,"end":346.17096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":346.37346875000003,"end":347.62221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":347.70659375,"end":347.99346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":348.87096875000003,"end":359.16471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":356.90346875,"end":356.97096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":356.97096875,"end":357.08909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":357.08909375,"end":357.42659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":359.36721875,"end":360.12659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":359.40096875,"end":359.77221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":360.48096875000005,"end":361.03784375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":361.57784375,"end":379.51596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":369.98159375,"end":370.30221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":370.38659375000003,"end":370.87596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":379.76909375,"end":385.77659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":386.13096875,"end":395.22659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":395.22659375,"end":401.18346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":395.63159375000004,"end":396.07034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":399.10784375000003,"end":399.96846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":401.26784375000005,"end":425.92221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":405.23346875000004,"end":406.83659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":425.70284375,"end":443.48909375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":440.33346875,"end":440.63721875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":442.24034375,"end":445.64909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":445.93596875000003,"end":446.22284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":446.50971875000005,"end":448.48409375000006}],"whisperx":[{"start":8.796,"end":26.589,"text":"兩位早安蘇花部部長在7月初丹納斯颱風重創整個台南跟嘉義其實在這一個颱風裡頭我們很明確的看到了就是"},{"start":28.154,"end":40.811,"text":"整體變成是一個通訊的孤島因為手機打不出去沒有電行動網路也癱瘓了這個信息也斷了救災人員沒有辦法及時的一個聯繫"},{"start":43.274,"end":69.508,"text":"在这个过程里头因为电话一直都打不通电话一直都打不通所以我在这个过程里头去协调了三大电信业者就是紧急的调派其实这个三十多台并没有这个是在大概在第十天以后这个数量才增加我相信部长你会非常非常的一个清楚那如果今天就是说"},{"start":70.969,"end":82.542,"text":"氣候的異常在未來會有大面積的這種停電那我們是不是有思考到另外一種風災數位韌性的一個方案布里頭有沒有做這樣的一個準備"},{"start":83.428,"end":104.906,"text":"是委員說的沒錯在最近因為那個風災的次數變多而且那個風災也是變得更嚴重那我們事後檢討就是說當第一個就是說這個事情真的很嚴重我們不單單是當地民眾沒辦法聯網甚至於我們的指揮體系像譬如說台南市政府他要去救災的時候他們本身的訊號都不通會造成很大的問題"},{"start":105.626,"end":123.175,"text":"然后我们检讨以后发现说其实为什么4G或5G的信号不通基本上有三个原因第一个是基地台本身倒了第二个是基地台没有电第三个是基地台的光线部长我知道你就针对着这个通信任线不足那你未来你要怎么做对"},{"start":123.655,"end":145.751,"text":"那所以呢我們發現說那你跟NCC要怎麼樣的一個分工我們發現說其實那個比例最高的是那個沒有電那就是電線斷掉可是這個事情最好解決因為我們只要有移動式的柴油發電機就可以解決這個問題所以我們在事後最近我們第一個就是說我們會政府我們數發部會補助就是讓三大電信公司他去設立"},{"start":146.651,"end":148.873,"text":"就是購買更多的行動式的柴油發電機到時候如果再發生這個狀況 誰是可以用 還有他們很有錢你所有硬體的分配在前瞻第五期裡頭 123億9千萬這個數位建設可是誰來統籌"},{"start":169.166,"end":195.24,"text":"這個分配分配在每一個地方那我們從703億裡頭我們發現就是說數位建設不等於就是樹花部的預算你剛才講到的就是這種數位建設都是非常小非常小那我只是問你一個重點你跟NCC誰來統籌是你聽NCC的還是NCC聽你的那怎麼跨部會來合作呢誰來統籌"},{"start":199.4,"end":219.701,"text":"報告委員,基本上NC跟我們互有職長,不過基本上是相互合作那有關監理的部分大概是NC的部分,有關於所謂的強化任性跟補助的部分大概是速發部的部分所以剛才您委員提到那幾個經營作為,像剛才那個所謂的衛星的行動車我們大概這次會藉由潛在預算會補助的9輛的衛星行動車"},{"start":221.443,"end":248.358,"text":"同時會協助業者來改裝31台的衛星行動車讓它有衛星行動車的價值那另外我們再移動沒有錯好那在最後端最後端我其實本席就是要跟你談到PPDR有沒有這樣的一個計畫台灣要建立一個PPDR呢報告委員目前為止內政部為了加速這個通訊指揮的這個系統在114年到117年將會配置81台的通訊指揮車"},{"start":249.478,"end":271.786,"text":"你不要一直跟我講通信指揮車嘛我已經跟你講了涵蓋面是這麼大的如果你的通信指揮車可以解決這麼多的一個問題的話我們這一次就不會這麼慘啦你如果是大面積的話那如果就是說塑化部你會同NCC相關單位你應該要參考國外建立一個台灣獨立的一個PPDR這個"},{"start":275.367,"end":300.803,"text":"你們非常清楚這個專用的頻率一按就通專用的網路可以獨立的供電其實如果在當今2025年的台灣在我們科技網頁這麼先進的一個發展如果你都沒有辦法就是沒有辦法講到PPDR的話我覺得這個是一個救災最基礎的一個準備我跟你說部長"},{"start":301.744,"end":320.095,"text":"提計畫出來把這個PVDR你納進去如果連這個都沒有辦法做的話那我覺得我覺得其實是很遺憾的喔不及格喔我們只要能解決問題我們所有的方法我們都會試好 謝謝那個我請那個梁文傑副主委國民黨最近要修改國際法其實"},{"start":321.656,"end":347.419,"text":"其中最關鍵的第一條的解釋它就是說希望把大陸不是外國寫到法治裡面那中國籍的人士在我國參政也不受國際法的一個限制那這等於是為中國人開了一扇參政的後門這個是嚴重的影響到國安的底線你簡單的講一下我們陸委會的態度是怎樣好 請檢要回答"},{"start":349.125,"end":369.875,"text":"我們陸委會的態度是國際法的第20條它的規定就是效忠單一只能效忠單一的政府陸配他雖然取得了台灣的身份但他實際上還是有中華人民共和國國籍"},{"start":370.515,"end":384.933,"text":"所以按照中華人民共和國的法律它可以要求它提供情報和線索和證據根據它的國家安全法和反間諜法等等所以一個"},{"start":386.295,"end":400.937,"text":"一個同時擁有中華民國國籍和中華人民共和國國籍的人士他會面臨到法律義務上的衝突是 那萬一衝突了這個衝突了以後怎麼辦呢他是不是還是我們的公子呢"},{"start":401.337,"end":423.923,"text":"所以從保護的角度我們是不希望說任何人有面臨這樣衝突的情境所以當初內政部在解釋國籍法第20條的時候才會解釋說所有人都必須不管你來自哪一個國家或地區你都必須要放棄雙重國籍"},{"start":426.344,"end":440.915,"text":"我想那個陸委會你要加強保護這些人啊國民黨是不是最聰明的其實他是在為統戰開後門所以國民黨大修國際化我們顯然看得非常清楚就是在為統戰開後門好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請葉元之委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}