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沒錯我希望說這個事情不要就只做一半啦 好不好盡快給我們國人一個交代那第二個就是醫療暴力的問題我們今天提了修這個醫療法主要是因為醫療暴力層出不窮你們認為現有的法律已經夠了但是你們自己的數據拉出來也知道醫護人員被打 被恐嚇 被汙辱甚至在急診 在病房 在救護現場遭到攻擊一年比一年還高"},{"start":477.697,"end":492.548,"text":"那前線人員當然希望加強保護提高刑責讓警察有義務到現場但我從你們的報告裡面說看不到任何一個積極保護醫護的態度甚至可以說你們的態度就是不支持這個醫護法"},{"start":493.769,"end":512.166,"text":"我也不支持啦 不是不支持就是說我們按照我們現在要再進進的當然還是有包含醫院要去強化這整個SOP有這個防患的措施跟發現事情的時候的緊急應變程序包含跟警察單位的聯繫等等這個還是要持續的做"},{"start":512.546,"end":535.471,"text":"那你24條的這個就醫安全本來就是包含醫事人員醫療機構工作人員就醫者不要把不需要把醫護寫清楚那我想請問就是說誰看到就醫安全會認為說這個醫事人員醫療機構都是涵蓋涵蓋在裡面的對不對你這個文章這個這個24條的就醫安全這這一條我覺得蠻奇怪的啊對不對本來就包含了那對寫清楚很困難嗎"},{"start":538.697,"end":564.457,"text":"不要有模糊空間嘛好不好還有這個我們也希望說這個警察你們報告裡面寫說警察本來實務上就會處理那我們也是希望把這個東西把它明文化把它寫上來就碰到問題不要說到時候警察那邊又推不要說我們本來警察就應該要去結果沒去對不對我希望這邊再多一些規範好嗎好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":569.298,"end":570.322,"text":"好,謝秋瑩、謝部長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}