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范委員我們現在備詢台硬體設備就是三位現在教育部長已經來了 您看哪一位部長先回好不好沒關係 沒關係不好意思 這跨部會人比較多所以台不夠站的那我們教育部長先好了其實我昨天也在教育委員會有處理過這樣可以了嗎"},{"start":3917.176,"end":3939.507,"text":"好因為這樣子各方面畫面各方面都比較好有有有謝謝院長這樣有保障我的時間好那這裡面的就是包含就處理機制學校裡面的相關職場霸凌也沒有規定調查的組成那所以教師就會沒有信任感因為如果都是校長人馬的話等等最後呢"},{"start":3939.887,"end":3955.707,"text":"救濟管道我剛剛講前面跟新北的代理教師開記者是因為那位受害者他先跟勞工局申訴勞工局說代理教師跟教育局沒有勞僱關係無法使用職安法"},{"start":3956.388,"end":3979.336,"text":"那後來呢 教育局 但是前面是勞工局教育局又告訴這個老師學校是教育業 所以適用職安法所以一個勞工局 新北勞工局說不適用職安法他是代理教師那教育局說 那個是職安法這代表目前的職場霸凌在教育領域裡面有一部分的人完全是真空狀態"},{"start":3980.316,"end":3999.226,"text":"那現在我知道勞動部肯定就是洪部長積極在修職安法那考試院也正在修公務員的安慰辦法那本席非常的支持政府明確規範職場霸凌的處理機制但是有兩大問題今天想跟院長"},{"start":4001.328,"end":4022.526,"text":"請教第一個我想非常的肯定勞動部最近很快就公告出預告草案內容可是這裡面我覺得還是有些地方要商去第一個裡面關於申訴調查處理的程序您看左邊就是第22-2內部申訴調查保護那裡面都是寫授權執法"},{"start":4026.269,"end":4055.125,"text":"那外部申訴調查處理機制也是說授權執法那我右邊是想要跟院長講可是您看一下性平教育法他完全都把主要的精神都明定在性平教育法這個母法中那當然我知道就是說其實性別平等教育法我們要肯定過去教育部還有相關的人長期的努力這個我們就國際的比較來講都是高標做得非常好"},{"start":4055.765,"end":4082.943,"text":"但是我想我們這次勞動部修法雖然勞動部有提到好像各國對職場霸凌的密度不如性騷性侵這些那麼高我還是覺得勞動部的職場霸凌就你們現在公告的草案內容還是應該要把申訴調查處理機制的原則性的精神就是不能夠有閃失的東西定在母法中這是第一點再來關於"},{"start":4086.726,"end":4104.835,"text":"職場霸凌的定義有想跟讓院長了解然後也希望勞動部可以再考慮目前職場霸凌第一個我先對這個定義覺得已經相當好值得肯定勞動部顯然邀了非常多的專家學者有做努力那現在唯一的一點就是"},{"start":4105.935,"end":4124.862,"text":"一些專家還有疑慮的是我們看下面的教師法就是CRC的國際審查就是兒童人權公約已經認為說我們教師法對於霸凌跟體罰要求造成其身心嚴重侵害條件違反公約他的意思是什麼"},{"start":4125.322,"end":4140.638,"text":"如果一個教師霸凌學生不能夠只是說他身心健康有傷害因為這個時候受害者要證明他身心健康是有傷害那難道身心健康的勞工被霸凌就不是霸凌嗎"},{"start":4141.138,"end":4164.107,"text":"所以我們應該從霸凌者的行為來做規範而不應該加上就是說致其身心健康遭受危害這個會讓成案非常的困難因為你要受害者要舉證那這個是我們在教育的現場已經正在發聲跟努力的事情那當然今天主要為什麼這題不是直接問勞動部是問就是說院長"},{"start":4168.149,"end":4194.396,"text":"就是這裡面需要涉及到勞動部考試院的跨院合作那您可以看到我們這個霸凌議題非常的複雜校園是屬於職場適用職安法那公務人員適用安慰辦法是考試院那校園內的救濟是教育法規教育部教育部裡面又有代理教師所以院長是不是能夠就是"},{"start":4195.656,"end":4220.811,"text":"我等一下我這邊先回到教育的部分而且教育的部分特別複雜昨天已經在教育委員會裡面謝謝部長他其實有承諾說教育體系的部分會特別的去研究等到勞動部修好之後跟安慰法修好之後就會在三個月內能夠答應所以我想我今天主要的三個訴求是第一個"},{"start":4221.651,"end":4236.816,"text":"院長是不是能夠指派政院層級的人,不管是政委或是副院長,可以協調勞動部、考試院、人種教育部,讓他們把職場霸凌的機制定義等,能夠改善、完善呢?"},{"start":4237.556,"end":4258.158,"text":"第二個教育部是不是可以根據校園的特殊性研究在治安法修法後的三個月內完成校園內的制度完善那還有針對代理教師的部分教育部也應該要啟動代理教師的救濟權益修法那這三點訴求不知道院長是不是能夠承諾支持"},{"start":4259.033,"end":4278.558,"text":"非常謝謝委員關心這個重要的議題我也要非常遺憾的表示日前勞動部發生的問題引起社會的重視也做出了相當多的指責那我們相關包括勞動部包括我們人總還有所謂的部會也在同時擬定了很多的內部的辦法"},{"start":4279.238,"end":4303.645,"text":"那您剛剛提到的三個數學我想第一個現在包括人總包括勞動部或是還有其他部會跟考試院的保訓會都有在做一個修法上面的一個聯繫那麼如果說這個聯繫是順暢的我就希望他們能夠緊速去完成如果有問題我會請秘書長來做協調來幫忙兩院之間跟我們部會之間那這個第一個問題如果能夠這樣做就可以解決第三個問題"},{"start":4304.565,"end":4327.919,"text":"代理教室的問題也是現在還在因為目前真的沒有適當的機制那我們就可以再邀集這相關的部會來做一些未來能夠有效的救濟的方式那第二點部長剛剛也說明過了那昨天吧應該在教育委員會有說過三個月內要完成校內制度這個部分我想部長一定照著這樣的時程來跟委員做回報"},{"start":4329.007,"end":4346.164,"text":"好 謝謝院長的支持那當然就是勞動部定義的部分我想這邊就請勞動部回去現在可以簡短回應嗎我簡單的回應我們在職安法上面用的所謂的危害這兩個字其實是職安法裡面的一個用詞它的意思並不是一定要"},{"start":4347.706,"end":4361.527,"text":"產生具體的傷害可能包括相關產生威脅其實他這個危害的這兩個字我想我們其實也許可以在修法的這個說明上面其實在說明的更清楚他不一定指的是他不是指"},{"start":4362.188,"end":4379.375,"text":"不只是指說一定要產生具體的傷害健康已經非常非常重大的損害才能夠算是這樣並不是這樣那我想那個部分就請勞動部因為你們是草案階段嘛能夠再請教各界的意見針對定義還有我們剛剛講的是不是都放在執法裡面有一些重要的原則"},{"start":4381.555,"end":4404.382,"text":"謝謝 再來要為兒童權益兩位部長應該可以回座了這題不知道院長有沒有印象其實我去年6月10月總質詢都有講過兒童工作證這個是衛福部的範圍當時衛福部的回應是說好像不需要兒童工作證因為現在有各種不適任人員的資料庫"},{"start":4405.382,"end":4420.373,"text":"這個是針對像性侵性騷兒童這些就是曾經犯案過人那其實事情又經過了從去年又到現在您可以看到右邊的新聞性侵兒少被判刑夏令營負責人又開課"},{"start":4421.474,"end":4444.323,"text":"被判刑的又去開課下面的 戲曲名師設性侵甚至讓學生前往住住排練這個也是被學校開除的教授性侵教師又再度在文化部的活動出現那下面是台中棒球隊教練性侵41個兒童有前科因為他有良明症成功獲得獲聘"},{"start":4446.244,"end":4467.823,"text":"所以現在講的是一再發生的已經被判刑已經在個別的不適任資料庫的所以要跟院長報告我們左邊整理了現行的不適任資料庫的六大問題第一個如果這個活動不用立案就不用查譬如說夏令營小學才藝班家長自己揪團第二個掛一漏萬"},{"start":4468.644,"end":4483.599,"text":"譬如說現在我們發現家長喜歡文化才一般那你要再去文化部也要搞一個這個資料庫嗎第三個沒有落實查詢造成傷害台中棒球這個教練性侵41統這個事情就是沒有落實查核"},{"start":4484.54,"end":4511.198,"text":"那再來第四個期限一過完全消失因為這個不適任名單是有期限的第五個查詢權限很限縮一般人是沒有辦法查詢的最後呢查得到也進不了非常遺憾的台北幼兒園案的園長就是這樣所以事實證明上一次衛福部回應的不適任資料庫已經沒有辦法解決二郎再犯的問題那也跟院長報告那這個嚴肅的問題兒童節前夕"},{"start":4515.321,"end":4538.998,"text":"就是儿童保护的团体跟网络就是做公民联署的联署人一起为儿童请命那感谢那天卫福部很积极地过来有派副司长前来他当场肯认儿童工作证的精神也表示他们会去研议那所以今天我想再借这个机会那不知道院长哦"},{"start":4539.358,"end":4563.571,"text":"是不是有被說服因為衛福部的副司長已經承諾會去演繹了因為他們已經發現上一次之前回答的不適應資料庫其實沒有辦法解決因為太多資料庫了那是不是能夠支持在兒少全法修法的時候就直接納入像澳洲跟一些國家有的兒童工作證的制度給兒少更安全的成長環境呢"},{"start":4564.329,"end":4588.599,"text":"好謝謝委員如果現行資料庫的機制沒有辦法是應對目前還持續發生的社會現象那衛福部確實應該就整個制度面要積極的去研討那部長現在對於這個問題的下一步的這個研議的動作是怎麼樣請邱部長簡單回答就好謝謝委員的質詢除了現行的機制以外"},{"start":4589.159,"end":4613.834,"text":"我們適合參考澳洲的做法那就是兒童及少年福利潛力法把這個工作政策制度我們會積極邀請相關的部會與民間團體來研議積極的進行好 謝謝邱部長那也謝謝卓院長支持那我們會再繼續監督最後一個雖然只有一分多那部長可以請回那又回到就是"},{"start":4614.754,"end":4629.689,"text":"一個非常重要的我想我們那個正副院長也會非常的關心因為他當時是我們賴清德總統候選人的政見的總負責人在我們賴總統的政見中有一個彈性喻音架譬如說第二行寫"},{"start":4630.49,"end":4658.644,"text":"實施得分次請領的彈性喻音架及津貼所以今天就是只有一點時間那我也是要肯定洪森漢部長一上任就積極落實只是我覺得他的回應還是語言太保守一點你說我們還沒有放棄你剛上任就還沒有放棄賴總統的政見這樣子不夠積極吧但是我也知道遇到很多的問題那當然我今天要問是擔心"},{"start":4659.964,"end":4674.73,"text":"勞動部因為錢因為行政人力出來的方案太保守你可以剛剛講的是六個月那人總協助支援人力因為我們的了解勞動部遇到的問題是說好像人總不給他人力這個涉及到"},{"start":4678.435,"end":4703.593,"text":"那院長是不是可以全力支持然後沒有這麼多還沒有做到的婦女團體的要求我會放心針對少數化的問題政府任何英運各部委組出來我們都會優先拿下來採訪那我希望院長任內能夠努力六個月都能夠做到天委單委真正的談刑讓大家看得到 懂得到好嗎我跟副常常都會在研究"},{"start":4706.715,"end":4716.235,"text":"好 謝謝范營委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請圖全集委員質詢 王美惠委員請準備"},{"start":4730.814,"end":4741.556,"text":"好 謝謝主席那請我們卓永泰卓院長還有我們農業部陳俊濟部長還有我們郭志輝經濟部長 謝謝麻煩請卓院長經濟部農業部備詢杜委員好好 院長 部長好那我們"},{"start":4758.861,"end":4773.016,"text":"4月2號美東時間開始我們全球經濟面對大動盪那美國總統川普也宣布那一天為解放日也公布一項全新的我們雙層的關稅制度先是10%的基準關稅後來又針對60個國家徵收額外的對等關稅"},{"start":4779.102,"end":4808.522,"text":"那台灣也被要求課徵32%那這個衝擊真的非常大那雖然後來川普總統有馬上宣布暫緩要向各國來進行關稅的談判可是這個可以說是國難當頭我們不能不勝那4月11號是不是我方的經貿談判團隊有跟美方進行這個視訊會議是的那有沒有什麼具體的成果還是有談到哪一些部分嗎"},{"start":4809.822,"end":4828.487,"text":"我們也很欣慰能夠在算是第一輪的開始我們在很優先的時間序上面跟美方就雙方的談判團隊進行視訊的會議那視訊談到的我們日前有向國人報告關於對等關稅非關稅貿易障礙以及出國管制"},{"start":4829.187,"end":4856.882,"text":"在內的多項議題交換的意見但這是一個啟動未來我們會將更完善的被妥所有跟全部的資料跟美方做下一波的一個談判那這個時間我們還在爭取最有利於我方的時間那有沒有談到一些軍國方面跟天然氣的採購方面我基於國際談判的慣例跟雙方的默契我們雙方同意就是對於對等關稅非關稅貿易障礙以及包括出國管制多項議題來做交換意見"},{"start":4859.15,"end":4863.405,"text":"所以現在只能講一些大略的部分細節部分沒有辦法說明"},{"start":4864.232,"end":4891.328,"text":"就談判的過程是如此我想請問一下因為這一部分在視訊會議我們這個談判的部分我們的學界跟專家都有提醒說美方可能會要求加碼買美債的持有甚至我們也看到我們執政黨立委也倡議說應該要擴大持有針對這一部分我們談判的代表裡面有央行的成員嗎"},{"start":4892.609,"end":4911.574,"text":"事先的諮詢團隊都有可是談判的時候沒有我們金融支持的各方的團隊都有因為我們也看到我們中央銀行總裁楊金龍總裁好像也對擴大持有我們也在這個建議他也說是非常好也可以對於跟美國談判的一個籌碼"},{"start":4913.51,"end":4931.415,"text":"我們現在談判的態度就是我們採取任何議題都可以談但是我們基於國家最高的利益以及產業界能夠維持它的國際競爭力兩項原則跟美方做所有的接觸所以任何包括採購包括投資以及包括各種的合作案都可以談"},{"start":4931.977,"end":4947.116,"text":"那你剛才談到的美債其實我方持有美國的美債也有相當大的數量那在這個時候一定是依照整個國際金融秩序以我們財政能力的規劃來做進一步的思考那美債這部分有談到嗎"},{"start":4948.949,"end":4974.813,"text":"這個是我們在內部規劃會有這樣的準備但是談判的過程抱歉這個有列入選項不是我們很多的選項都列在裡面我剛才說採購也有投資也有還有這些談判到底關稅產業各項產業的關稅的稅率如果談判我們都有做準備這是我們備託的方案但實際進到談判的桌上去談的我們還要進一步的去到了那個時間點才能跟對方來談"},{"start":4976.223,"end":4999.569,"text":"好 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毛豆還有出口魚類我們好像已經有開始做產業衝擊座談可是我們對於美方點名的非貿易障礙豬跟牛稻米好像還沒有開始開這個座談是不是"},{"start":5251.531,"end":5258.754,"text":"我跟委員報告就是我們現在跟業者座談是針對美方提高關稅本來是30後來是暫緩90天用10%的情況之下我們跟農業民去"},{"start":5265.086,"end":5290.178,"text":"告訴他們我們政府所提出來的這個支持方案同時也聽我們產業的一些意見來滾動檢討我們的支持方案那至於您剛才說的這些關稅的這些談判的部分那現在目前所有的議題都在準備當中我們並沒有說要把農業的議題推到第一線去跟美方談我們絕對不會犧牲了農民的權益當作一個籌碼"},{"start":5291.377,"end":5308.212,"text":"好當然啦我們也是今天會提出來就是害怕影響到他們的權益那當然因為我也知道這個談判過程就像院長剛剛講很多的選項裡面就是希望有利於這個談判那當然如果談判這個過程中能夠不讓步那當然我們希望能夠"},{"start":5308.792,"end":5328.471,"text":"保護我們這些農民豬農牛農稻農等等但是如果真的談判的過程美方強烈的要求如果我們行政院真的會有讓步的話我覺得也要在這之前要向農友進行農業農產座談還有相關的配套措施這部分可以嗎"},{"start":5329.651,"end":5357.735,"text":"跟委員報告整個我們談判團隊啊內容準備的相當的完備啊無論是工業或是農業各方面那我們也想到說在談判的過程當中當然是爭取最大的利益啦但是如果說雙方在談判的過程一定是互有進有進有退嘛那我們基本的原則一定要守住但是可以在跟他細節上面做談判的時候必到了一定成熟"},{"start":5358.206,"end":5384.854,"text":"要跟國人報告我們一定隨時準備好向國人清楚的說明當然我們是希望這部分我們能夠堅守我們的原則希望像尤其豬肉的部分我覺得產地的標示我們真的應該是不能退讓因為我們這要保護我們的豬農像本席的選區桃園沿海跟陽梅這些他們講他們這邊的豬比人還多所以表示"},{"start":5385.294,"end":5407.396,"text":"他們這些豬農他們這個豬肉產業在我們地方占有非常重要的地位所以我們希望說當然能夠堅持一定要堅持但是如果真的談判過程中有困難的時候一定要先跟我們農友進行產業溝通相關的配套措施一定要完善不能讓損失到我們這些農民的權益"},{"start":5408.433,"end":5435.139,"text":"是的 所以我們事先準備的這些支持方案我想農業部已經有相當詳細的規劃在裡面我跟委員報告台灣的豬肉自給率大概將近88到90而且我們台灣的豬肉是用溫體屠宰的方式所以請您相信我們台灣的豬肉在國人的心中是第一個優先選擇的部分那過往的豬肉其實其他的國家都有進口那這個進口的燉素裡面其實都是不同的國家在替換"},{"start":5435.839,"end":5462.851,"text":"但是還是回歸一句所有的豬肉豬肉的部分跟雞肉的部分我想我們還是會確保農民的收益為前提之下才去考量後續的問題因為我們是擔心豬肉到時候沒有標示這個產地勢必對台灣豬農這個豬肉產業一定會造成很大的衝擊這一部分繼續努力請問一下我們院長跟我們經濟部長我們是不是沒有針對"},{"start":5464.312,"end":5491.546,"text":"服務貿易這一方面來做統計數字因為根據我們貿易法的明文貿易我們是直指貨幣貿易那所以我們在經濟部國貿署這一部分服務貿易統計資料是不是沒有好像只有美方才有報告委員我想服務貿易的這個數字我們應該是持有的我們是有這樣數字但是問題這個不在關稅的範圍之內"},{"start":5494.195,"end":5506.608,"text":"那我們查得到嗎我們有這個統計的資料嗎我們如果要去搜尋這些資料應該是可以搜尋得到但是這個沒有辦法作為我是說沒有做統計嘛這部分我們"},{"start":5507.948,"end":5524.393,"text":"國貿署是沒有做這方面的統計資料嗎國貿署都是會有所有的國內的這個變動都有這些數字因為我會提出來就是說發現我們對美的服務貿易有往來只有美方的統計數字那服務貿易你看它"},{"start":5525.367,"end":5536.119,"text":"涵蓋的很廣 臉書 Google Netflix這些公司在台灣的服務貿易的收入美方統計 2024年100多億台幣 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這請部長多幫忙喔因為這個農基補助他們每年像這個時候都已經開始申請3月1號就開始申請每年都是這樣那只有到今年到現在農基補助那我們看這個經費也沒有問題啊他這個經費就是農業的特別收入基金向下的農村再生基金現在是我們的申請跟審查我們有分階段不是"},{"start":6279.298,"end":6300.931,"text":"往年一開始申請然後全部完了以後就開始審查我們有分階段讓不同的季節跟不同產業的農民那部長這一部分再幫我們加快一下因為很多農民在反映了解好謝謝部長那這一部分再請我們工程會門陳金德陳主委麻煩請工程會備選好那爭取時間那"},{"start":6309.161,"end":6321.606,"text":"院長還有陳主委這一部分要幫我們航空城的徵收戶來請命那為什麼找陳主委因為在今年二月陳主委以政務員的身份有主持我們航空城的專案小組會議對吧那當時會中"},{"start":6325.228,"end":6340.25,"text":"我們主委有指示配合街廓點交跟安置住宅陸續完工要讓徵收戶可以重建家園 成構住宅而且要在明年底前完成先建後遷讓我們桃園機場第三跑道可以順利推進可是現在"},{"start":6342.432,"end":6368.758,"text":"針對這部分承購住宅部分的問題很多安置物既有的補償費不足以支付完整的購物費用現在在尋求我們貸款融資可是去年開始不動產融資政策緊縮雖然您有指示中央銀行跟金管會放寬貸款跟乘數的限制也讓他們優先核貸可是目前他們說"},{"start":6369.958,"end":6391.586,"text":"他們到各個八大公股銀行這些去好像還是一樣沒有辦法能夠順利的貸款報告委員 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謝謝圖宣及委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請王美惠委員質詢現在院會報告 今天是王美惠委員過生日而且是大壽 我們掌聲"},{"start":6599.838,"end":6602.302,"text":"我們感謝大家的祝福來 院長南鄉 左院長我們再請左院長"},{"start":6619.81,"end":6627.335,"text":"黃委員好,一天快樂謝謝,感謝,因為在這裡,我們要先跟你談到一個美國的關稅的問題我認為川普一日三次,所以我們要有能力去跟他談判"},{"start":6639.093,"end":6646.581,"text":"因為在這個過程當中,我也覺得我會出來美國對台灣的優先在第一回合開會的時候,就讓我們台灣擺進去"},{"start":6656.07,"end":6667.478,"text":"所以在這個過程當中,在4月10日我們也有私訊向美國來談這個關稅的問題因為在這個過程當中,我認為最新差不多有5,000名在4月才開始我們的北省、我們的三峽的福祉林,都溫馨的歡樂"},{"start":6682.729,"end":6690.633,"text":"和恐慌因為他想到未來的關稅不知道會多少所以在那裏變了變變到現在已經是對台灣10%的關稅"},{"start":6698.877,"end":6709.46,"text":"英國本身在這裡跟你說這個美國的關稅對著台灣整個應該都會有影響未來你認為我們的團隊跟美國會談判的時候我相信 院長你有信心尤其中華民國的台灣會輩射2300萬人"},{"start":6726.525,"end":6736.979,"text":"不管哪一棟 一定做你們的後盾所以院長 在這裏面的規定你認為未來 我們說的關稅 有人開始說 要不然我沒錢是10%你認為以後"},{"start":6745.675,"end":6758.062,"text":"這九個都派去議席,但是他對美國川普的了解,他應該會對台灣挑多個選擇議席來,院長對這個四個選擇三開始,我想全世界人民跟我們一樣,都要擔一個確定的結果美國的政策"},{"start":6769.349,"end":6792.23,"text":"到現在為止還一直在宣佈新的所以一日三次 包括今天早上也在宣佈所以院長在這裡本身要跟你說的就是我們也有看到 大家一半的民意代表提議說要協助 他們的中國人協助他們"},{"start":6795.086,"end":6816.715,"text":"做一些他不應該做的事情像今天在報紙上看美國說公平正義對於中國來說最惡劣所以在這個過程當中我也有看到有人提議要協助中國有人提議說叫我們要跟美國來撤兵院長"},{"start":6825.356,"end":6834.266,"text":"我們有需要去挑選一個合作的中國來美國來跟他請客嗎你們有需要嗎來 院長你回答一下"},{"start":6839.281,"end":6852.048,"text":"要跟委員報告 總統發表的五項的策略裡面有很清楚的說明 我們不會跟美國拆除報告的這個關稅這件事不會嘛但是就是說 在這個世界沒有那個特殊裡面美國這個遇諸島的理論"},{"start":6855.41,"end":6864.417,"text":"跟過去所見的風雄是相對是一樣的所以我們要在這個世界這邊的東西裡面共同合作 互相進步這個穩定之後 全世界絕大部分的地方沒有一個特殊就可以穩定下來穩定對國來的國外都是好的"},{"start":6875.629,"end":6884.435,"text":"但是院長 本席在這裡請問一件事如果有提議之後 那個洗禪地的時候 這要怎麼處理我們絕對嚴厲來出題 無關心 事前事終事後絕對嚴厲出題因為台灣不能講出這個世界目的特殊重症內的一個破口"},{"start":6898.059,"end":6915.855,"text":"但是這樣產生破口對於我們國內的產業絕對壞因為不僅是那些稀產地它還會大量的低價傾銷進來台灣稀產地出去是破壞我們國家的信用啊我們國家的信用就沒有了信用沒有一定關稅會跟中國一樣145%也不可能耶整個跟中國的系統一樣這是我們絕對沒有管理的而且它低價傾銷"},{"start":6925.644,"end":6935.833,"text":"對我們產業大大的打擊對我們人民去吸收到安全的產品也是一個很大的考驗我們絕對會專門來提出這兩個事情所以院長在這裡本身也跟你說我們要聽過這關非常對全世界對台灣中華民國的經濟非常重要"},{"start":6947.042,"end":6970.632,"text":"所以我相信你們的團隊一定會說出對台灣中華民國有利的關稅我希望條約都一直 人民也給這個時間收到一個耐心我相信我們這個談判跟這個關稅制度的條件一直是副議長在主持大家應該對有最大的認識跟最有最大的信心"},{"start":6971.325,"end":6995.369,"text":"院長 我也說最近的年齡一定很好的結構啦在我們最近也有看到你的裡面的國會裡面的內閣裡面有一個公署說台灣中國一邊一邊嘛那又沒有議會說有人去那裡搞"},{"start":7001.957,"end":7010.162,"text":"在這個規定當中是台灣租款內亂外犯還是聽吳同內亂外犯啊在這個規定當中 我覺得你的內閣裡面說這樣有什麼不對尤其本來就一邊一角 沒有人敢說"},{"start":7031.752,"end":7045.037,"text":"院長,你認為呢?我認為這個白話文,正式說就是中華民國跟中華人民共和國互利數喔,對啦,對啦院長,在這兩天,我認為在武統的規定之中"},{"start":7051.288,"end":7058.213,"text":"他用言論自由來擺脫我們的言論和自由 我覺得這是非常不應該的在一個國家裡面 你如果覺得他不好 他不要住在這裡"},{"start":7070.097,"end":7094.518,"text":"要回去啦 因為我認為自由民主不是讓他們這樣會存在的啦自由民主的言論不是說你要批評你卡住這個國家所要批評的所以 店長 我先跟你說這是肥腸的重要啦"},{"start":7100.233,"end":7117.822,"text":"因為我覺得有很多事關我們國家的未來所以本席今天特別做了一個我們的首集辦學專台灣中華民國的背誦看出來說我們現在台灣首當中的中國"},{"start":7121.964,"end":7141.783,"text":"是我們境外敵對會設的台灣安全要靠自己去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力去努力"},{"start":7144.406,"end":7153,"text":"來來應變的措施尤其院長你在三月二十的時候你有說到四月初你要來開一個"},{"start":7155.171,"end":7166.52,"text":"全國的會議,可以怎樣來扮演這17項措施來臨?但今天已經4月15日,我知道你也很忙,對川普的關稅、對我們的總議席"},{"start":7175.967,"end":7191.575,"text":"多多嚴苛一個國家絕對不可以停台不管發生什麼事情,我們都要去處理所以本席向你問到這個開花你覺得怎麼樣?來,院長你回答一下主席啊,委員,今天總統提出的十七項因應的策略要有很多要我們當界外"},{"start":7198.922,"end":7226.484,"text":"定時型的計畫 甚至要入法的修法這個部分我們已經完全整理出來上禮拜我已經主持這個會議了喔 上禮拜主持啊 因為本學生怎麼會跟你談到這個說實在的 不是院長跟總統跟我們愛好中華民國台灣的白色煩惱而已你看最近 校長也好 老師也好 教堅察也好都要批評中華民國的台灣啊"},{"start":7230.502,"end":7244.434,"text":"因為我覺得這是非常重要的所以你說 每個禮拜你一定有機會所以在這個規定當中 說實在非常的歡樂所以說 我們有總統說17項的應變我們要實際去實施去用啦不是隨便而已 這樣就不好了"},{"start":7256.084,"end":7266.13,"text":"總統是一個政策上的風雲出來執行的很多手法執法 計畫 都是行政一來擺國防委 區議會 政務委員也跟他們協調過未來我會主持一個會議 現在還在進行當中各位進行當中在這 院長我們想要跟你談到我們的入籍的總配在這個規定當中我們有很多改緩的 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院長去年11月28的時候我們行政院就講了卓龍泰緊鑼密鼓的爭取中到現在四個半月過去了名單沒有出來我們嘗試很多但是遇到很多的困難說真的為什麼"},{"start":9842.009,"end":9857.114,"text":"徵詢是大家不願意還是你徵詢的人還是不夠專業怕名單提出來之後被大家覺得說否定我們徵詢的對象一定是符合一定的專業程度好 那你有跟誰討論我想在場有NCC代理主委啊"},{"start":9858.582,"end":9873.36,"text":"來有跟代理主委溝通嗎說我現在名單還沒有完成那NCC的業務會不會停擺有沒有關心過我一直要把這個人事給他補上來但是很多談的他當然有基本的專業的程度但是"},{"start":9873.8,"end":9891.369,"text":"所以我們中華民國兩千三百五十萬人沒有符合院長標準要求的四位人選為什麼四個半月提不出來來我們看一下因為代理主委說我不清楚啊行政院沒有找他討論啊"},{"start":9892.955,"end":9917.543,"text":"所以院長你自己也不找現在代理主委討論然後就讓NCC的委員名單一直提不出來你如果說沒有提出來立法院連審都沒有辦法審你了解吧我了解好再來因為人數不足所以現在空轉37家頻道面臨了換照問題怎麼辦誰要負起責任我還在努力盡快把它找一個人出來那什麼時候可以提出來"},{"start":9919.242,"end":9933.627,"text":"醜媳婦總要見公婆那本席期待的其實你謹慎是好事啊如果說你三個月的時間謹慎提出專業合乎大眾需求標準的名單我想立法院沒有否決的理由"},{"start":9934.178,"end":9953.015,"text":"但最怕的就是你提出來的名單是不夠專業或是讓大家覺得就像過去一樣是因人設事 因黨設事那當然我們就有審查的空間可是我們現在要講的是四個半月過去了那請教院長 現在總質詢什麼時候可以提出來非常抱歉 我們找的人一定符合相當的專業水準"},{"start":9953.655,"end":9969.744,"text":"所以要繼續空轉他未來的工作他相當有過濾那會讓NCC繼續空轉嗎沒有我們盡量努力那盡量努力什麼時候提出來如果我可以說個時間我希望這個月份我能夠提出來這個月這個月所以只剩兩個禮拜會不會跳票不會吧"},{"start":9970.529,"end":9990.904,"text":"院長你在總諮詢的承諾不要跳票兩個月四月底以前我們看到您提出來的名單可以嗎我已經在準備差不多好了但是最後差一點點的功夫最後院長我們還是看一下現在最近的共諜案共諜案的部分我想"},{"start":9992.133,"end":10015.441,"text":"中華民國是我的國家台灣是我的家園任何人想要消滅中華民國我都反對共產黨要消滅中華民國我反共台獨想要消滅中華民國我反台獨因為這就是我們的國家我們大家一起安身立命但現在我們看到民進黨政府從總統府從黨部從外交部都有共諜的發聲"},{"start":10017.081,"end":10041.731,"text":"這樣的狀況很多人在講啊是不是還有更大咖我們現在有沒有針對這部分因為我覺得這非常的重要國安議題但是也是我們現在各部會大家共同要面對的有沒有專案小組或說來了解現在到底還有多少有可能潛在的共諜就因為我們之前已經發現了這樣的威脅所以總統才在第二次國安會議當中會不會還有更大咖"},{"start":10070.522,"end":10072.182,"text":"接下來我們請登記第50號劉建國委員質詢 鄭振淺委員請準備"},{"start":10098.806,"end":10113.815,"text":"謝主席 邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢劉仁豪 院長辛苦"},{"start":10115.333,"end":10143.392,"text":"院長要撐住啊更要挺住國人都挺住我們一定跟國人一起站在一起挺住那你挺住的力道要特別特別的大然後率領我們所有的這些閣員一起大家共同挺住因為面對台灣內有國會的不正常外有川普的千變亂化所以這是急劇挑戰那我個人"},{"start":10144.192,"end":10170.198,"text":"一直感覺啦,我的感受是這樣子這個比疫情的時候更加的嚴重甚至以挑戰的面向會更多、更廣然後擔任行政院的院長基本上要率領各位面對這樣的一個挑戰跟衝擊所以我才會特別跟院長講說一定要挺住啦,要撐住啦"},{"start":10171.274,"end":10199.569,"text":"你看在4月13號你特別攔下到高雄去跟產業界來座談那現在這個關稅站已經慢慢有這個弧線兩件事情就請教院長第一個這個AI的產業中最重要的核心顯示卡等這類的電子零組件已經開始準備在漲價那未來他可能有相關的這些骨牌的效應會持續的一直延伸下來"},{"start":10200.56,"end":10224.088,"text":"那最後可能會導致衝擊到民生的經濟萬物皆漲行政院要如何做因應這是第一件事情那第二件事情曾經也是我們行政院的副院長現在是高雄市的連任的市長與你一起參加座談會的時候特別當你的面提出來希望可以調降這個存款的準備率"},{"start":10225.129,"end":10246.888,"text":"院長當然有做一個簡單的回應,千里華動全身,院長到目前為止有沒有什麼改變?有沒有什麼因應之道?因為畢竟是同黨的,直轄市執政的首長來對你提出這樣建言,這個社會相當關注,請院長簡單回顧這兩件事情。"},{"start":10248.8,"end":10261.761,"text":"好的 第一件我們在伺服器跟顯示卡是在我們資通訊產業電視產業當中在蘇美最重要的大宗產品之一它一旦關稅加重於現在的負擔對整個"},{"start":10264.986,"end":10287.26,"text":"這個產業鏈來講都是一個成本的增加所以我們在支撐的產業的需求方面我們就提出了支持的計畫從各方面來協助大家能夠轉移市場開發市場進行研發甚至做其他更多的行政上的一個成本的降低等等這是第一個部分但是我們會把它列為很重要因為台灣不只支持有高科技業"},{"start":10288.997,"end":10300.316,"text":"影響帶的這個中小企業傳統企業更是重要更是影響更大那第二個問題是那天陳其邁市長提到的這個問題那就是那幾天當中"},{"start":10301.499,"end":10323.978,"text":"不是第一次聽到這個建議所以回來我馬上有跟我們央行的總裁 楊總裁我請教他說這個真的是牽一髮而動全身對銀行來講可能讓他的資金更寬鬆 更餘裕但對市場來講會不會產生一個什麼樣的訊息對金融的安全會不會產生一樣什麼樣的訊息我請央行總裁能夠"},{"start":10325.157,"end":10348.119,"text":"去理性的內部討論這個事情所以還沒有做最後的結論你可以問一下央行總裁我還是請院長可能要快速因應因為千變萬化的川普我們要如何去做最快速的積極的因應真的是還是有老院長的智慧那第二件事情再過15天我們就要報稅那院長已經有責成財政部針對這次的報稅可以延到6月底"},{"start":10348.599,"end":10374.91,"text":"但是這個面向不寬不管如果面對過去的疫情來講對照過去的疫情來講基本上它延長的時間還有面向包含可能會有人被減薪減班甚至有失業甚至會造成一些衝擊是不是可以再折騰財政部這邊能針對在這個報稅的過程裡面可以朝向更寬敞的時間然後甚至也可以提出這個分期的這樣的一個繳稅可不可以"},{"start":10375.842,"end":10383.974,"text":"過去疫情期間曾經有過這樣的歷史我想那個時候主要是要減輕大家的負擔之外一個重要因素是讓大家不要群聚"},{"start":10385.02,"end":10403.811,"text":"免得這個疫情擴大這一次我們也是一樣除了希望大家能夠紓解一下壓力之外就在這段時間讓所有的廠商或是個人盡量去面對關稅做內部公司產業的自我調適把重要的時間精神放在這裡報稅的部分可以往後延一下讓大家能夠習慣這個動作所以"},{"start":10407.386,"end":10427.551,"text":"往後延增加一個月並不是降稅啦 是增加時間但這個也會增加我們財政部相當多的成本那天部長有跟我說明這個事情我說該吸收我們就吸收 這個沒有問題對 我當然不是講降稅 我是講說延後報稅嘛這時間能不能再往後延 不是只有一個月的時間啦能不能 針對失業的 針對減班的 針對相關衝擊的產業"},{"start":10431.015,"end":10458.972,"text":"可以嗎跟委員報告您提的是報稅就是所得稅的結算申報原來是在五月份一個月那現在延長到六月底的時候有兩個月可以去申報但是如果他受到這個有關財務上的衝擊的話那他可以去申請延期繳稅也可以做分期繳稅分期那我們可以分36期就分三年來繳稅所以申報已經寬了一個月然後繳稅期限也可以讓他往後延"},{"start":10459.352,"end":10485.133,"text":"分期這個我都很清楚我強調是延長延長分 延後就像你講的五月六月我們五月底我們現在可以延到六月底能不能再延嘛它是申報 這是申報的動作那繳稅的話可以申請延期或者是三年期間的分期這樣子讓它可以減輕有關資金上的壓力我們現在同意報稅延長一個月嘛 對不對沒有錯嘛能不能面對這幾個我剛剛講的狀況可以再延長"},{"start":10488.476,"end":10504.91,"text":"我這樣的題目很清楚嘛,能不能研議嘛是,我想這個部分我們會用從寬從幽的方式來處理好啦,就請院長是不是可以就哲程來做一些相關的研議啦,可不可以應該可以吧我想申報應該可以,他可以先申報嘛,對"},{"start":10506.192,"end":10530.517,"text":"我們不需要糾結這個事情好不好,我覺得這樣很奇怪你們就可以主動去延長申報到六月底,原本是五月底嘛那我想因為剛剛特別提到跟院長提醒讓他們了解這個事情相關的一些衝擊慢慢在弧線的,在弧線的過程裡面我們希望讓這些產業可以專注他去應應這些衝擊所以他報稅的期間能不能再延長再寬鬆一點"},{"start":10531.437,"end":10549.945,"text":"就這樣而已啊我跟委員報告現在因為他整個電腦程式程序都要更改目前更改的程式就是到六月底那我也希望說這個時候大家能夠請委員長我們就已經有更改到月月底那我剛剛特別提到AI的相關的一些零組件都已經受到衝擊了已經在浮現了那我跟委員長打呼我的"},{"start":10550.405,"end":10578.602,"text":"希望他們可以專注在來應對這次的關稅所以報稅我們才會主動的延長到多一個月時間嘛對不對能不能在未來可能會再遇到相關的產業可能會有馬上立即的這樣的衝擊是不是可以再有更長的一個緩衝的時間給他們來做申報就這樣而已啊第一個我希望我們這個形勢能夠迅速的趨向穩定下來大家能夠在這個時間內完成再來"},{"start":10580.54,"end":10598.81,"text":"一直往後延對我們國家的現金的流動是有一些影響的我們糾結在這個地方不對啦我是講說可能會立即受到衝擊的這些三文產業因為我們要做很快速的應變嘛我們今天已經馬上應變可以全部都可以延長一個月對不對你已經做這個應變了啊"},{"start":10600.191,"end":10625.056,"text":"我是講說有些敏感的產業 特殊的產業立即會產生到如同我剛剛跟你講的AI相關的這些零組件是不是大家還有更長的一個緩衝擊來做申報能不能嚴厲嘛 你就打火葬就好了啊能不能嚴厲 不用馬上答應嘛我們現在延這個時間都設計好了如果到六月的時候真的有情況發生我們當然會預先來做預判我們就朝向可以嚴厲來做相關的運營了好不好"},{"start":10626.076,"end":10648.252,"text":"沒有啦,我們這樣處理事情,我覺得你的速度太慢,你的變化、你的應變,這樣是不及格的,不好意思喔!真的很不好意思,部長你先回吧!不能太僵硬啦,自己都會主動延一個月,我只是提供可能會立即面對到的相關的、立即性的這些傷害的產業,能不能有更寬鬆的這樣申報的期限,你這樣答我,我覺得我聽起來很難聽啦!"},{"start":10650.446,"end":10674.575,"text":"32%的稅率上週五台灣也正式跟美方進行第一次的會談嘛對不對那目前都朝向好的方向嘛應該是這樣嘛應該是很順利的展開第一次的但是美國貿易代表所在3月31去公布2015的對外貿易障礙的評估報告中點名台灣的豬牛馬鈴薯稻米及基改食品設有貿易障礙這是一個事實那國人就非常擔心嘛台灣的農糧食安會不會變成談判桌上的籌碼"},{"start":10676.105,"end":10702.793,"text":"台灣以農為本院長非常清楚我們再怎麼樣的談判坦白講這一次川普的事件基本上還是以美國利益為導向最終還是以政治來做解決我個人的看法所以農業上院長能不能承諾我再怎麼樣都不可以成為談判上的籌碼甚至於絕對不能讓步因為"},{"start":10706.337,"end":10731.3,"text":"食安是國人最低的要求那農產是我們整個國安的戰備上的一個位階所以院長不能直接承諾我說農業絕對不能成為談判桌上的一個籌碼我們要設最低的底線第一次的談判結束裡面對等關稅跟非關稅貿易障礙跟出國管制都是重要議題當中的一部分所以其中談到非關稅貿易障礙"},{"start":10731.88,"end":10743.991,"text":"非關稅貿易障礙不僅在農業在工業上也有那這個都是將來大家必須面對的那我們對於國人的健康安全我們會很重視的所以基於健康安全也基於我們消費的習慣"},{"start":10745.473,"end":10763.565,"text":"這個是我們的原則但是我們要考量的也包括國際的標準也包括有沒有科學的認證如果在這個通常考量底下我們才能在談判的桌上去跟對方表示我方國家所需要的因為我們國情是所需那這一點我們是列為談判的重點院長啦 台灣的榮養跟食安這個絕對不能成為談判桌上的籌碼我再實現 我已經強調三次了我們自己也編了180億來因應這次的關稅衝擊嘛 對不對"},{"start":10773.872,"end":10783.826,"text":"那是不是有能比照2023年易貨特別預算農業部還編列了268億投入了改善農水路啦漁港啦養殖等這個基礎設施可以吧"},{"start":10787.543,"end":10814.329,"text":"我跟委員報告我們現在的支持方案裡面最主要是針對受影響的產業去協助那您剛才提到的農水路的部分我那個是一個比喻我是說1號之後我們還編了268億對不對我們現在當然要趕快來最好是可以馬上成立一個針對農業面對到對等關稅的相關的營業小組甚至我在這邊也希望院長能不能責成一位政委來統籌這件事情從農糧 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謝謝 謝謝劉建國委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備選好 再接下來我們請登記第51號各位報告院會現在在議場二樓旁邊的來自南投縣南投市的所有的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請登記51號鄭正前委員請質詢"},{"start":11100.763,"end":11103.907,"text":"謝謝主席,我想請一下卓文泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢政委員好院長好,終於可以諮詢到了"},{"start":11119.964,"end":11147.348,"text":"我在想說因為那個之前的時候您曾經在那個備詢的時候您有答到說因為詐騙的事情是現在大多數國人都非常深惡痛絕的狀態那您有特別提到說政府的努力遠不及國人的要求那我可不可以請教一下您覺得哪部分的努力還不夠我們還要怎麼樣去加強努力才能夠滿足國人的要求因為詐騙的手法日新月異推神出信"},{"start":11148.243,"end":11162.935,"text":"那我們在速度上要趕得過他所以我們很多科技執法上面的工具還要更強另外就是詐騙有的跑到國外去用國外的網站用國外的方式像最近也出現幾個問題你知道在柬埔在哪裡有個園區"},{"start":11164.386,"end":11190.669,"text":"在緬甸那跑到國外去我們這司法力量達不到那個地方去我們卻用遠距的方式做國內刑事詐欺是院長因為我今天曾經去柬埔寨帶過那個被詐騙的人回來所以我非常理解這個狀態可是因為最近我看到有幾個新聞是說日本人被詐騙到台灣來變成一個中繼站要往柬埔寨走造成日本人極度的一個恐慌那我覺得這對整個台灣的國際聲譽有很大的一個影響"},{"start":11191.57,"end":11216.878,"text":"我們要全力來防治這個安全單位要全力來防治這個事情另外一個部分就是馬來西亞其實有國會議員他們也提到說他們去年被詐騙來台灣當車手的人比前一年增加十倍我想請教一下院長您知不知道去年在台灣涉及詐騙的外國人大概有多少人"},{"start":11218.684,"end":11241.793,"text":"我想我們有165的專線還有警調系統這有點細我只是要特別講說因為我要特別了解說到底有多少外國人其實被台灣這邊給囚禁羈押在這邊因為我看到一個數字的時候去年的時候大概有將近2000個外籍人士因為涉及詐騙人數在台灣幾乎超過一個"},{"start":11245.214,"end":11268.792,"text":"高雄監獄的人數超過一個新竹監獄的人數那我希望說剛剛院長一開始提到的狀態是說希望增加整個數位當中的監管那我希望就是針對整個落實這個對於平台業者的一個監管尤其在詐騙的事情上面這個部分可不可以請院長特別加強好的委員您說的現在可能互相議定"},{"start":11269.636,"end":11295.545,"text":"不同的地點不同的國家互相異地來行使這種詐騙的行為越來越猖獗所以我們對於整個數位平台這部分請務必要加強因為太多的詐騙都是因為這些數位平台而產生的好不好所以我們國人去到國外被詐騙集團騙走了這個是一個很嚴重的態度現在外國人也會到台灣來對他們自己的國人或對我們自己的國人進行詐騙這個我們要全力來防止"},{"start":11296.708,"end":11306.174,"text":"好,那這個部分,接下來我要請教一個部分,因為在106年的時候,行政院有特別要求國發會,就是針對於台灣的一個法規鬆綁的部分。那我想請教一下,目前這個進度如何?大概有哪些的成果?"},{"start":11319.926,"end":11346.978,"text":"我們從過去對於法規的鬆綁就一直在進行對 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謝謝接下來我們請登記第53號郭鈺晴委員質詢李柏毅委員請準備"},{"start":22653.616,"end":22657.037,"text":"謝謝主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢國務院好院長好我想川普的關稅大刀是砍向全世界但是我們台灣是第一批能夠進入到跟川普跟美國政府"},{"start":22677.267,"end":22705.678,"text":"第一批的一個國家可以來做對談我想這是很好的一個機會喔那麼也希望陸續能夠聽到一些好消息一定努力好院長我想請教您一個比較簡單的一個問題喔如果這個預算呢可以隨便的凍結然後隨便再靠一個所謂的這個倒數計時器來逼行政單位來做解凍那請問這個凍結預算的意義到底是什麼那到底是為了要追蹤改善呢還是為了要政治表演所以現在有這樣子的一個狀況喔"},{"start":22707.068,"end":22736.692,"text":"您覺得呢應該大家都很清楚在整個預算法裡面對於審查預算是沒有所謂凍結的這個項目的啦刪減就可以刪減通過就通過是沒有凍結凍結是因為委員們對於行政院所做的一些事情希望再提出一些說明所以把它凍結了但是如果凍結的過程他附帶了一些條件目前我們連這個條件都還沒有達到也很難在這個時候就提出要去解凍的任何程序"},{"start":22737.11,"end":22750.825,"text":"好我想這個凍結的部分我們就以中研院為例這個上個禮拜其實因為我們也才跟這個中研院來做這個委員會上面的一個質詢那以中研院的這個部分在教文會當中其實我們凍結的金額是1250萬"},{"start":22753.408,"end":22778.005,"text":"那看似好像沒有什麼不多啦但是別忘了其實還有所謂的這個全院凍結的部分是高達了有這個11億喔那我想呢現在呢有委員這個設計了所謂的這個解凍計時器那他們可能真的是誤以為喔這個解凍預算喔好像是把那個一塊肌肉啊從冷凍庫拿下來然後放進這個微波爐逼一下可能之後就可以馬上就可以吃了喔其實整個凍結解凍的過程"},{"start":22781.108,"end":22786.486,"text":"如果從解凍送進報告口頭報告大概要經過三個月的時間對嗎"},{"start":22788.156,"end":22816.83,"text":"過去解凍的例子雖然也是有但比較少要到院會裡面來通過通常在委員會裡面或者是書面報告或者是口頭的說明委員會裡面就會通過現在是很多數的凍結案都要到院會裡面來院會的時間是非常有限而且非常寶貴的我也不曉得將來立法院大院怎麼來解決這些凍結案的問題所以我們還記得1月底他們開始凍結預算刪除預算這個是1月底的事情"},{"start":22817.25,"end":22831.462,"text":"然後再來三月中我們覺得自愛難行我們提出了所謂的復議但是他們也否決了這個復議那現在其實在四月初的時候我們就不斷的聽到藍白的委員一直在講說你們送金報告我們馬上就可以讓你可以動用這個金額了"},{"start":22832.796,"end":22848.781,"text":"好那我們來看一下他們是怎麼操作的我不知道這樣解釋對不對但我看起來其實我就幫大家整理一下這先大規模的一個凍結其實刻意讓各個單位認為說這個很多的東西是無法正常的運行然後再來再否決你的復議案"},{"start":22849.621,"end":22864.236,"text":"營造這個政府失能的一個形象然後第三個呢就是限三個禮拜之內要行政單位來交出所謂的解凍的報告那我上次其實在委員會當中其實我有特別提到這個有研究員他們也講"},{"start":22865.977,"end":22891.049,"text":"雖然看似好像中研院的預算被凍結的金額不高但是也已經確定有一些項目在跟比方說在日本進行20年的這個長期的研究也被迫要被終止了那我想這樣子的監督改善放一個計時倒數計時期放在這個地方到底是為了什麼那我們還記得其實今年這個228事件其實我們邁入的第78年"},{"start":22892.35,"end":22915.204,"text":"那藍白聯手煽動了大概內政部的預算也直接衝擊了228事件紀念基金會的一個運作其實已經模糊了228事件其實是台灣人的傷痕跟歷史他不斷的是用所謂的預算的權力來壓制了這個歷史跟真相而且也影響到基金會要照顧這些受難者的"},{"start":22915.874,"end":22942.472,"text":"受難者本身跟這個受難家屬的一個計畫那我想呢問一下就是行政院長就是我們的行政機關是不是有信心可以堅守所謂的解凍報告堅守這個所謂的解凍的報告而不做所謂的交差形式來呼應他們這些所謂的政治上的動作因為我們也擔心我們的報告寫得太長他說你動作太慢寫得太"},{"start":22943.532,"end":22956.577,"text":"寫的不夠多他說啊你忽略我你真的也不重視我的這個委員會你不尊重我這個委員會目前我們應該要怎麼樣來保護這個行政單位跟公務人員不要被這樣子的政治動作給綁架院長"},{"start":22958.146,"end":22977.502,"text":"是 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那接著下來其實我相信很多人關心的就是每一個四組他們對於這個毛小孩的照顧那我們也經過這個統計就是包含每年在支出的項目的前三名對於毛小孩的一個照顧的部分第一名當然就是醫療跟照護那第二個就是我們的飼料跟零食再來第三個是美容服務跟這個住宿"},{"start":23095.689,"end":23119.986,"text":"那是最為所謂的市主他們所關心的一個部分那今天其實我想要就兩個問題來請教一下我們的部長就是市主其實是非常關心所謂的飼料跟零食還有美容服務跟住宿的部分那我們就先就美容住宿的部分來向部長請教一下因為目前我們知道可以合法寄養的寵物店大概將近有3000家大概2846家"},{"start":23124.449,"end":23144.56,"text":"846家又多了5家了相較於前5年來講是2184家其實已經增加了大概30%這兩年特別的快速每一個月當中其實我們就增加了大概將近有11家之多每一個月都在增加所謂的寵物寄養的數量"},{"start":23146.921,"end":23168.991,"text":"那我想呢以前我們可能都會碰到說比方說我可能要出遊啦我要出差啦我要出國啦在短期的當中我可能就是叫把寵貓犬貓我可能是寄啊要不就是寵物旅館那要不就是請朋友來幫我照顧好或帶到朋友的家但是呢現在其實還有另外一種對不起另外還有一種選擇喔就是呢他們是"},{"start":23169.611,"end":23189.503,"text":"放在平台當中他們所媒合的寵物保母之類的問題是現行法規當中寄宿跟安親寵物的寄養行為其實是必須要符合所謂的特定寵物管理辦法當中的規定要有特寵證"},{"start":23191.065,"end":23219.367,"text":"那這個特種真的其實是向我們的經濟部來申請這個營業登記的一個項目那除了是保障所謂的這個消費者當然也要保障這個業者那當然提供相對的一個保障能夠來增加這個所謂的動物的一個福祉但是為什麼我說這個制度跟所謂的證照的部分其實真的會需要所謂的通盤的考量那最主要的原因是因為我們剛剛有提到就是"},{"start":23219.867,"end":23243.796,"text":"有一些平台類似像寵物的Airbnb但是這個是平台上面它有一些些說我可以來登記我可以來照顧貓犬但是這些所謂的被寄養的這個寄養的不管是家庭也好或者是個人的短期的照護也好其實第一考量到它是沒有所謂的證照的它是沒有證照的"},{"start":23244.176,"end":23260.159,"text":"那在管理的部分其實可能就會有所謂的灰色地帶那這個灰色地帶我們應該要怎麼樣發生問題由誰來負責因為我們曾經也聽到就是有一些就是毛小孩的爸爸媽媽他們把自己的毛小孩送去之後可能第一天他就骨折了"},{"start":23260.479,"end":23284.638,"text":"那到底這個責任要歸咎這個平台呢還是要歸咎這個所謂的寄養的這個家庭那在專業的照護的寄養跟這個商業的寄養當中有沒有符合所謂的專業技術的一個門檻到目前為止其實我們還沒有所謂的官方的一個管理的機制或者是考核的一個機制那就這個部分農業部這邊我們可以扮演什麼樣的角色怎麼樣來輔導他們呢"},{"start":23286.983,"end":23306.295,"text":"我跟委員報告就是我們現在在做的大概分為兩個面向一個面向是制度面的部分就是剛才特別提到的我們如果是專業的寄養我們有相關的要向中央主管機構向各地方去登記但是你剛才講像BMB的部分這種類似寵物保母的這個部分"},{"start":23306.815,"end":23328.717,"text":"那我覺得人的能力一定要先被建立所以我們現在正在規劃類似我們寵物美容的技術式一樣我們會變成一個動物照護的一個技術式讓他領有丙級的這個證照先把人處理了以後然後第二個部分就是我們希望說建立一個所謂的寄養或是相關的這個"},{"start":23329.838,"end":23346.29,"text":"所謂的定型化契約那定型化契約就可以釐清相關的責任因為現在目前並沒有所謂定型化契約的責任所以先就這兩點我們先現在目前我們是有所謂的寵物的美容定型化的契約但是沒有寄養但是寄養的部分其實是還沒有的"},{"start":23347.011,"end":23369.96,"text":"好那大概什麼時候因為我剛剛有聽到部長您說現在目前已經在規劃了大概最快什麼時候可以上路我是跟我們的動保師講說在五月底之前要把所有的這個包括我們的定型化契約先做出來那有關於寵物照護的這個技術是拿丙級證照的我希望他六月底的時候能夠把相關的規範因為他比較嚴謹必須要有一些規範"},{"start":23370.7,"end":23394.992,"text":"OK 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國教署已經喊請各地方政府來表達意見那這個內容請部長來說謝謝委員關心我想我們從上一個會議起這個學生輔導法院長事實上就一直非常關心怎麼樣去對中小學的輔導跟訓導學問人力不要來拖時間我們從國中這一個部分"},{"start":26635.903,"end":26654.349,"text":"陳儒剛才委員也特別提到我們事實上國教署已經今天發文不要一直重複我們今天委員會為什麼還要來這邊問是希望能夠得到一個更明確的答案所以不要重複我現在只要有一個時間什麼時候要完成調查趕快讓這個政策可以實施我希望說給一個承諾"},{"start":26655.069,"end":26682.307,"text":"不然每次問都是說在做了在做了但是就是沒有地方在教學現場就是沒有就是各地方政府把各校的那你調查你不是一個政策實施不是這樣啦不是說中央機關就是我有發文了啦但至於說地方政府怎麼樣就不關我的事如果行政院都把態度都是這樣的話那我們教育我覺得大家要慢慢搞了啦一段話就好了一段話就好了就是今天啊"},{"start":26683.107,"end":26706.978,"text":"已經喊醒地方政府就未來每個學校你是要申請政治學務人力或者是社政副助長不要一直重複我講話我現在講的就是說你們已經有在調查那什麼時候要實施嘛因為我們已經追很久了現在就是沒有嘛那行政院不能夠只是說我發文了啊接下來就關我什麼事了我要搞罷免我沒空啊"},{"start":26708.859,"end":26714.922,"text":"教育政策財政行政院應該要關心了啦什麼時候給我一個期限什麼時候你壓一個期限嘛什麼時候要求他們一定要回報嘛不要說只要地方好像教育部都沒有責任一樣"},{"start":26725.707,"end":26741.993,"text":"大家現在感覺好像叫一步無所謂地方政府你慢也沒我的事如果你慢都是你地方政府的事跟我中央政府無關我搞政治就好教育跟我無關你們這種態度大家不能接受啦部長什麼時候我剛才已經講了如果地方政府順利我們午夜就可以啟動"},{"start":26746.314,"end":26771.22,"text":"五月 地方順利是什麼意思 你會去溝通嗎你會請地方快一點嗎還是你覺得沒有關係因為公民的文書它要給地方有一個至少一個禮拜的一個調查不是至少一個禮拜 部長在交易文化委員會你們已經講說啟動很久了在今年已經有編有預算本來就是要支持這一個 院長今天在這邊啦院長你可能不了解啦我們在委員會其實已經質詢過非常多次那每一次的答案都是說調查中"},{"start":26771.94,"end":26800.876,"text":"那調查中是要調查一年呢還是兩年呢還是五年所以才會在這邊請部長沒有問題我在跟院長講話不好意思院長我在跟你講話可不可以請部長不要插話因為今天是因為在委員會找部長沒有用所以才來院長告訴您說我們在委員會已經講非常多次那教育部一直說調查中調查中調查中調查很久了所以今天才來告訴院長"},{"start":26801.536,"end":26823.331,"text":"教育的議題也希望您費點心院長很多政策教育交通經濟環保各方面都要費點心政治我知道你很重視政治的東西去罵我們立委我都尊重但是也要花點時間在教育議題上面可不可以請院長跟部長講一下這個調查要多久可以出來委員的關心要很務實"},{"start":26824.011,"end":26844.865,"text":"我們現在是地方的意見分歧所以用統一發展的方式地方的意見沒有分歧喔我的了解是說到底是要學務人力還是要副組長地方都是不同地方對於增加人力都是歡迎的現在就是要對所以請你們快點去溝通好不好可不可以給一個期限我們絕對會到剛剛部長所說的時間那也請委員用你的方式能夠比較公平的來點什麼時間剛剛部長已經說的時間了什麼時候"},{"start":26852.304,"end":26880.435,"text":"什麼時候開始施行?我剛才已經講了公文書的來往因為我在講話你插話我就聽不見你講什麼嘛大家執行執行就一來一往不要大家都大家在講話我當然聽不見嘛你剛剛說幾個月你剛剛說幾號?有那麼難懂嗎?不是因為我在講話你插話我聽不見你講什麼好不好不是你難懂你在講話怎麼懂對你不用講這種好像攻擊性的語言好不好是因為你插話你看你現在我講話你又講話那當然我聽不見你講話嘛"},{"start":26882.216,"end":26904.142,"text":"教育部長可以不要插話嗎你現在就回答我什麼時間大概什麼時候五月五月喔五月喔五月就會實施嘛第二個我來關心一下現在不知道院長你知不知道現在在教育不管是國中高中都有出現一個行政大逃亡的現象院長你知道嗎行政什麼大逃亡行政大逃亡你說人力嗎"},{"start":26904.982,"end":26921.931,"text":"因為大家都不想要去兼行政職那院長您知道現在在國中高中國小是只有一個組是可以由專職的公務人員來做其他都要由老師兼任你知道嗎知道嗎那哪一個組不知道請部長說明一下"},{"start":26922.881,"end":26949.549,"text":"你不知道齁只有總務組可以有公務人員來做其他全部都有老師兼任那我現在告訴院長一個現象現在很多老師不願意去做行政職老師都不願意去做行政職所以學校怎麼去選擇哪些老師來做行政職呢都找那些最菜的剛進來的老師讓他去兼比如說去兼學務處的什麼生教組長或是其他處的什麼組長"},{"start":26950.809,"end":26960.815,"text":"這些老師剛進學校他實際上譬如說他可能數學可以教得很好他國語可以教得很好但是一進來不好意思先不要教書先來做生教組長"},{"start":26962.301,"end":26986.19,"text":"那其實這個對學生來說也是一個損失那老師也不太願意兼所以老師不願意兼那怎麼辦呢那就開代理教師的缺讓代理教師來兼這個行政職我現在是兩個建議啦院長聽一下一個建議你是不是思考一下提高老師願意兼行政職的誘因因為現在喔"},{"start":26986.85,"end":27014.692,"text":"做導師的津貼大概是一個月三千塊加有函數價對吧這個部長應該很清楚那行政職的津貼是多少錢一個月差不多四五千塊嘛所以有些行政職的要兼行政職的老師會覺得說好像做導師跟做行政職那個津貼其實是差不了多少所以第一個建議是能不能夠提高如果老師願意兼行政職的津貼可不可以讓有些老師願意多來做這個行政職"},{"start":27015.58,"end":27019.495,"text":"廖長可以嗎請部長核內一下我們整個人力的規劃"},{"start":27020.612,"end":27045.581,"text":"以及未來財富的負擔怎麼樣那我覺得這個問題是要解決的否則對學校的健全的各項發展是不足那我們往健全去解決問題的方式來講所以你的意思是說提高行政職的津貼這個你覺得可以研議然後去解決這個問題解決這個問題那方式有哪一些那這個部分委員所建議的我們請部長比較一下那等一下部長一起回答好一起回答第二個建議是這樣"},{"start":27048.103,"end":27069.335,"text":"我建議說看是不是因為剛剛講只有總務組長他是可以由公務人員來做啦那能不能夠開放讓其他組比如說我剛剛講學務處下面其他組的組長也可以由公務人員專職來做那當然這有可能會是有員額的問題就是說是不是要什麼要增加員額那這個部分我不知道可不可以請"},{"start":27070.416,"end":27095.586,"text":"人事行政總署來研議一下因為這個現象在學校是嚴重的是嚴重的我們要解決的如果沒有人願意做這件事情的話能不能讓比如教育行政的公務人員讓他來做就可以解決這方面人才荒嘛那第二就是說我覺得還是要保障老師就是說學校可以排志願嘛第一志願我開缺出來如果老師願意兼很好對不對就解決問題你可能就不用增加員額"},{"start":27096.38,"end":27121.469,"text":"那老師願意兼如果沒有老師願意兼就一扣在那邊啊你找代理老師也可以那你也可以找專職的公務人員比如說他是教務行政的來做讓這件事情變得比較有彈性那比較有彈性的話就可以解決學校的人力問題這是我建議啦我不知道說院長您可不可以請教一下可不可以"},{"start":27122.324,"end":27151.426,"text":"部長的意見怎麼樣?有一些不只是中央預算的問題先到地方去我們先有問題我們來想說解決的方法是什麼然後再來討論說預算嘛因為這個是教育嘛教育大家很重視嘛如果院長你也認同部長也認同說這個問題要解決我們應該是思考先把方案提出來再去想說這個財務怎麼去支援嘛我們先解決前面的問題了解部長他的想法再請人事長來綜合說明"},{"start":27153.217,"end":27174.038,"text":"跟委員報告我想委員所關心的事實上也是我們教育部跟行政院一直都關心的怎麼樣降低老師的負擔然後包括學校的校事的事務的處理能夠有專人處理這也是為什麼我們在國中這一個區塊裡面優先增加校務校事人力那另外一個怎麼樣去增加各個"},{"start":27175.66,"end":27194.809,"text":"這個處事的這些行政專職人員我想他也涉及到國民教育事實上歸屬地方自治的一個管轄我們這邊會跟地方來討論來研議看怎麼樣能夠有一個更好的一個對中小學一個行政上的一個支持的一個制度"},{"start":27196.029,"end":27223.653,"text":"有講跟沒講一樣沒關係我把問題跟院長講了啦院長現在教學現場就是有這個狀況那看院長您願不願意找部長或地方政府大家召集一下看看怎麼提出一個好的對策來解決這個問題減輕老師的負擔讓家長也放心這是一個其實大家都在談的話題啦只是說你們都不重視我今天拿來這邊講還有我剛剛講那個校安人力目前教育部提出來的方案是一個嘛對不對"},{"start":27224.113,"end":27248.026,"text":"我想我們在這個既有的機會裡面我們逐步來目前的方案是如果國中增加校園人員是增加一個對不對一個可是部長你知道高中啦高中是幾個班一個校園人員你知道嗎高中大概你新增的是國中嘛我現在問你 你到高中大概幾個班一個校園人員你知道嗎"},{"start":27253.404,"end":27275.721,"text":"大概六個班就一個校安人員但是我們現在國中新增的校安人員就是教育部提出來方案說五月份要實施的這個方案是六十班以上一個校安人員那現在的高中生需要校安人員不比高中需要所以我覺得當然部長你會提到說是不是財務問題什麼之類的"},{"start":27278.206,"end":27293.283,"text":"校園人員越多對校園安全越有保障所以是不是可以朝向增加的這個角度去至少比照高中嘛高中有這個需要國中應該也有這個需要啊那高中是六個班一個國中六十班一個這個差距太大"},{"start":27294.264,"end":27309.629,"text":"所以我是不是能夠在這邊也跟部長反映跟院長反映就是國中的校園人員人數能不能比照高中的比例六個班一個報告委員這真的要跟地方政府好好談未來人事費的負擔是在地方政府國中的部分"},{"start":27310.449,"end":27327.174,"text":"你教育部也可以補助啊我現在跟你講教育的議題你覺得這個有沒有必要做如果有必要做再來談下面嘛我現在談的是有沒有必要做"},{"start":27327.534,"end":27347.259,"text":"就是你認為國中的校園人員到底有沒有這個需要如果你也認同部長也認同那當然大家就可以思考說這個財務怎麼去分配嘛那如果你一開始就說我不知道我沒錢啊你要問就問地方政府啊關我中央什麼事這個態度就不OK有必要做的事情很多那這件事情真的要跟地方政府去談"},{"start":27350.162,"end":27368.241,"text":"我覺得有必要做啦至於說怎麼跟地方政府談那當然就拜託教育部嘛 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所以不會美國講要降多少就降多少我們還是會堅持我們米酒的保護是這個意思嗎"},{"start":27783.8,"end":27810.091,"text":"是這個意思嗎料理米酒從以前發展到現在這個狀況我們希望維持所以料理米酒的稅制我們不會退就對了不會因為美國認為它是非關稅貿易障礙我們就退這越南講的因為米酒很重要台灣一年大概喝兩千萬米酒那個不是拿來喝啦那個是等於是民生必需品啦是煮菜用的所以希望米酒這一塊可以堅守住然後再來"},{"start":27812.23,"end":27840.76,"text":"基因改造食品因為美國也認為台灣要求基因改造食品跟非基因改造食品的原料比如說玉米大豆是使用不同的關稅編號那因為是不同的關稅編號當然就會造成不同的管制假設美國認為說基因改造跟非基因改造的原料或食品應該都一視同仁該怎麼樣怎麼樣譬如說也不能夠限制誰可以吃不可以吃校園也應該要開放那我們政府的態度是什麼"},{"start":27841.735,"end":27865.232,"text":"剛剛跟委員報告料理米酒是因為雙方在多年前我現在問那個基因食品我說我知道料理米酒因為雙方多年前有過這樣的交涉我們有這樣的立場清楚那至於其他的都還沒經過談判容許我們在談判的當中由我們談判代表照我們自己的國民健康消費習慣引用國際的標準跟科學根據大家來做合理的討論"},{"start":27868.359,"end":27884.178,"text":"因為以前民進黨都很堅持說基改食品不能進入校園不能說你們在野的時候講一套執政又講一套如果你們認為這個基改食品有疑慮的話那當然也要站在國人的健康把關去做談判"},{"start":27885.64,"end":27912.697,"text":"然後再來一個他們認為另外一個貿易障礙就是農藥最大殘留限量的管制他們認為我們對於農藥的殘留限量管制非常複雜那想請教一下如果美國認為說應該要讓這個農藥最大限流的管制鬆一點然後甚至這個標準放寬一點我們現在政府的態度是什麼一樣這個也是我們談判的內容我們在這裡只能說還是剛剛幾個標準"},{"start":27915.237,"end":27931.428,"text":"國民的健康消費的習慣再配合國際的標準以及科學的根據我們只能用這樣來衡量都是談判的內容再來下一個美國認為我們標示台灣豬這件事情也是一個貿易障礙"},{"start":27932.928,"end":27946.789,"text":"因為為什麼會標示台灣產地就是那時候因為政府要開放萊克多巴胺來豬嘛還有放寬萊牛嘛所以大家就想說在鼓勵大家吃台灣豬所以有那個台灣豬的標章當時農業部也有推這個標章這個是志願式的"},{"start":27949.416,"end":27973.517,"text":"這個是自願式的自願式,但有鼓勵嘛那現在美國如果認為說貼這個東西有貿易障礙的話那政府態度是什麼?一樣,剛剛回答一樣嘛就是會本著我們的健康消費的習慣食品安全,然後來談判授權給那個談判代表來談嘛所以不會有答案,沒關係我只是提醒啦幾件事情是國人關心的"},{"start":27974.458,"end":27997.169,"text":"比如說來豬的問題、來牛的問題、農藥的問題、基改食品的問題這個都是大家關心的,所以在談的時候還是要重視我們食安安全再來,部長有提到這個是我們自己的業者自己用自願的方式來標示的對,但是被他認為說是貿易障礙嘛那難不成到時候農業部要宣導說叫大家不要貼嗎"},{"start":27998.91,"end":28024.252,"text":"沒有 有些在談判的過程中有很多可能是誤解的或是不是了解的像包括剛才講的農藥的MIL的訂定的話那第一步就是會跟美國去說明我們訂這個東西的一個方法來做相關的一個溝通好 那再來還有一個被美國可能列為非關稅貿易障礙就是我們貨物稅因為他們非常重視他們車進來之後價格多少"},{"start":28025.796,"end":28037.164,"text":"那這個價格除了關稅之外還有一個貨物稅因為台灣貨物稅很高啦美國車在美國當地賣可能沒有那個貨物稅這麼高嘛那在台灣忽然就加了25%到30%的稅上去"},{"start":28039.158,"end":28065.603,"text":"那我不知道說其實貨物稅的檢討很多人都提出來過啦因為貨物稅是一個比較老的稅最早推出來的時候那時候是把它當作奢侈性貨品科稅最早的時候認為說你就少買點東西啦那現在當然政府有用其他的目的來賦予貨物稅另外的目標啦可是其實我覺得政府也可以利用這個機會思考一下貨物稅有課的必要嗎"},{"start":28067.962,"end":28090.953,"text":"我們現在國人買個汽車也要被課貨物稅25%到30%買一個機車被課貨物稅買個飲料也要課貨物稅中華民國萬萬稅那以之前財政部不願意改現在美國要我把這個視為非關稅貿易障礙我覺得財政部是不是可以藉這個機會改革一下嘛"},{"start":28091.713,"end":28116.807,"text":"改革一下 你把那個貨物稅降低啊降低 然後讓大家不要買個飲料都要課稅 就像娛樂稅一樣現在政府都鼓勵大家去看電影鼓勵大家去看藝文活動結果我們去看電影 去看藝文活動要被課稅 要繳稅給政府你還花錢 文化部還編錢叫大家去從事藝文活動鼓勵你 給你文化幣然後一方面你去從事呢再給你課稅 從娛樂稅拿回來"},{"start":28119.327,"end":28129.952,"text":"這個稅已經自相矛盾了那貨物稅一樣我們現在工商社會啊鼓勵消費嘛沒有 你買東西不好意思你要買是不是請你給錢你買車25%到30%這個是國內也有課喔國外國內都有課喔所以"},{"start":28136.089,"end":28157.059,"text":"我不知道財政部願不願意 院長 我覺得趁這個機會稅制改革一下把貨物稅的問題也通盤檢討一下 可以嗎貨物稅的檢討是很多年在檢討 因為它歷史上因素我覺得它也不是針對奢侈性的那現在說它貨物稅是要大家承擔道路使用 降低什麼污染"},{"start":28158.28,"end":28185.996,"text":"交通工具這麼 都應該重新考量而且現在我們太舊換新也有貨物稅的補助你沒有貨物稅的話大家搞不好更想要太舊換新因為汽車變便宜了歷史上的科稅的理由依據越來越值得被檢討而且我們也有太舊換新甚至包括家電我們可以用這個方式來考量請財政部用這樣的機會去考量"},{"start":28187.857,"end":28211.203,"text":"其實你把貨物稅減免啊 東西變便宜 大家搞不好更刺激消費啊對啦 所以不要用刺激消費來講好 最後一分鐘請教一下大家最近很關心的共諜的問題因為最新的那個吳釗燮的助理啊 共諜啊他知道很多我們國安會的機密行程啊然後曾經也在外交部長旁邊做事 其實這個是非常嚴重的問題啊"},{"start":28212.912,"end":28237.834,"text":"那結果我們的政府被發現對於這個人的終成考核八年沒有做過一次啊所以政府會讓大家覺得說你們一方面好像很都老是質疑別人是共諜可是在政府裡面的共諜你沒有那麼在乎啊八年才做一次終成考核我想請教一下按照規定像這一種這麼重要職務的人應該多久做一次終成考核"},{"start":28238.174,"end":28257.784,"text":"我們會依照現在的規定,如果規定不足我們加以馬上啟動我現在就問你嘛,現在規定是多久要做一次中程考核出國前要做一次,回國也要做然後如果沒有出入境的話,多久要做一次如果出國一定要事先有報備的動作回來之後也要有詳細的報告"},{"start":28259.318,"end":28288.381,"text":"這個是我們現在如果沒有這個規定一定要加嚴如果有這個規定沒有做到我們檢討之後要強力的實施院長我的問題是說你多久做應該按照規定多久要做一次中程考核尤其是像這種國安會秘書長的秘書外交部長秘書多久要做一次你再回答我多我認為啦隨著沒有沒有按照現在規定多久要隨著職務等級的不同我們要做不同的設計像他多久要做一次你覺得才合理像他多久做一次你覺得才合理"},{"start":28288.82,"end":28302.827,"text":"我覺得他應該很嚴謹的要做多久一次 這問題能回答嗎就多久 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