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您知道為什麼嗎"},{"start":203.067,"end":219.604,"text":"系列的部分就起地的部分是比較藍一點那手持價值的部分手持手機這個部分我們可能會再去持續的要求那我們目前手機輸出手上的數據是看今年手機的部分就是三萬三千多件一到十月份"},{"start":221.354,"end":249.4,"text":"為什麼會這麼問陳副組長因為有民眾反應有員警根本也不清楚騎車抽煙可以開罰那民眾像員警反應反而還會來員警的嘲笑為什麼員警自己本身會不知道呢這個部分我們再加強那個宣導是那目前這邊也有請問我們陳副組長那警政署目前的取力量過低你們有沒有具體的提升的改善計畫"},{"start":252.517,"end":275.613,"text":"有關這個基礎抽菸這個部分我們去年還是一萬六千多件那今年是一到十月份就是有六千五百多件這個部分我們還是會這是去年的數字嗎去年是一萬六千多件去年一萬六千多件那今年到九月是六千五百多件那其實這根本與實際的情況不符"},{"start":278.477,"end":297.157,"text":"其實就是香煙這個部分我們現在實際要求根據現場通訊再做一個取締因為我知道目前獨家跟酒家有列入重點的指法那有沒有將吸煙跟分性駕駛也同樣的列入呢目前還是以獨家跟酒家是最大的重點"},{"start":298.241,"end":319.259,"text":"那我也希望就是分新駕駛然後還有這個騎車邊抽煙這個也要列入重點是因為非常民眾現在他們最大最大的抱怨就是騎車抽煙沒有辦法檢舉可是剛剛您有提到嘛其實這個是有難度的必須遠景在現場然後同時構成三個要素嘛"},{"start":319.939,"end":333.876,"text":"手持香菸還有吸菸還有影響他人的行程安全他必須要同時成立那這樣的也請問次長跟我們警政署這樣子的方式是不是在放棄執法"},{"start":336.185,"end":353.355,"text":"沒有放棄了這只是說目前的重點可能是今年的毒價比以前更嚴重所以我同年在執行這個取締的時候重點都是放在毒價這個部分這個系列的部分就可能比較沒有那麼注意到"},{"start":354.076,"end":370.394,"text":"我認為不只要加強就是我們對民眾的宣導那員警他們自己本身也要知道因為民眾都已經向員警現場來反映了嘛那他們就是希望這個問題可以獲得改善因為這也非常困擾民眾他們就已經在停等紅綠燈了那停等紅綠燈"},{"start":371.115,"end":385.272,"text":"然後旁邊有機車駕駛在抽煙那他們要怎麼樣來改善他們都已經不能檢取了包圍這個部分我們會再發文來給各警察機關來做一個駕降取締的作為"},{"start":389.24,"end":417.218,"text":"市長因為這個問題因為民眾暴露在二手煙的環境它的風險是50%那在路上路上的二手煙更高達30%那也有很多家長不管是在小朋友上下課然後他們也同樣是暴露在這樣的環境當中所以這次本席也提出了修法希望可以提高那也同樣就是讓民眾知道騎車邊抽煙這個行為是有依據可以改開法的是"},{"start":418.559,"end":431.947,"text":"跟委員報告我剛剛這邊手上的資料我們看起來應該是一三千一到九月還是持續在下降有改善啊我這邊是這樣的您的是件數是多少"},{"start":433.268,"end":461.414,"text":"到九月是三萬一千一一三四五萬一千有下降是好是嗎那我們還是希望有更多民眾是了解了解所以我也有在路上有這個行為所以說我們我們的意思說現在目前的這個機制看起來是應該還有一些效果啦所以我們希望能夠朝這個方式繼續再往下再去宣導來這樣來執行所以我們希望可以擴大宣導那交通部可不可以就是連通我們警政署然後還有衛福部共同的來宣導好ok好那下一個"},{"start":462.114,"end":488.457,"text":"那我們也可以看到今天也有很多委員在討論那我們看到台灣的地圖幾乎被測數照相淹沒的畫面民眾沒有感到更安全反而是更焦慮那警政署的資料114年9月到9月那開罰1096萬件那其中超速違規的高達181萬件那最關鍵的問題是那靠開罰也沒有改善道路那目前呢"},{"start":489.438,"end":510.327,"text":"這個道路交通罰緩他的分配是他的運用辦法第4條規定罰緩收入僅12%用於道路改善那台灣民眾被罰那麼多但交通整體的話的改善卻是有限的那我們看到那市長你這邊認為目前的科技執法有沒有過度集中在開發"},{"start":513.604,"end":536.01,"text":"目前這些所謂的科技執法或者是測速照相其實都是因為我們道路做完之後那這個警察單位他看這個地方發生的非常多的這樣的事件就是車禍這樣的情況所以希望能夠用這樣的測速照相來提醒"},{"start":536.67,"end":555.7,"text":"有百分之十二是作為交通執法還有交通安全的改善經費嗎那有六個點是道路交通違規的案件它的舉發處理費用然後還有交通執法的設備器材費用還有執法的電腦化費用那還有教育訓練包括執法的安全宣導費用你認為這個比例應該要調整嗎"},{"start":560.755,"end":576.536,"text":"跟委員報告那現在這個比例大概是在我們規定的那個法規裡面規定的那是在那個法案分配辦法裡面規定的那其實這個只是一個地板那我們是希望我們其實也一直在宣導地方政府他們能夠"},{"start":577.597,"end":605.912,"text":"多一點經費能夠運用在那個交通安全改善的部分而不是在不是只是說專注於這樣投入那個測速照相器啊類似這樣子的一個設備所以這個部分我們會持續來來跟地方政府來溝通或者是希望他們能夠盡量用那個 再請交通部跟地方政府溝通看是不是要調整這個比例然後或是因為你們有回應其他的委員說你們有公告嗎什麼時候公告的"},{"start":607.874,"end":618.844,"text":"應該說之前有預告過有預告過那之前已經是去年12月了所以希望再請交通部經紀與地方政府來做溝通好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}