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是這樣但是11月19號的時候那個總廳長來講他是已經有到各地院跟全國各地院的法官坐下來座談"},{"start":719.969,"end":732.882,"text":"然後我們是從家暴的量刑去做討論他的距離回應對我們委員會的回應是這個樣子他是覺得說雖然有些是個案但是在立法院所訂出來的法律這個論舉裡面從新政的一個"},{"start":735.985,"end":765.365,"text":"一個大家的一個是不是有一個比較有一個具體的這樣一個共識應該來做這樣的一個量刑會比較恰當啦那當然他是有去討論那具體結果他是沒有答覆啦那我要在這邊跟副理長還有跟部長討論就是說你看這幾個數據齁可能都會像我是隱喻維吾爾法律的罪者基本上都是判刑太過輕所以相對他們覺得這個成本很低然後代價很低所以就是屢試不爽"},{"start":765.985,"end":786.855,"text":"然後我們的案件就會層出不窮那你現在看這一個在整個醫療機構所有醫療法第二四條第二項所列的防禦醫療業務的執行案件111年是260件到112年變成331件已經暴增了將近快三成了然後再來在113年我現在因為我這個資料現在拉出來是這樣113還沒有我用1月來講"},{"start":791.717,"end":796.359,"text":"331件違反24條的第二項 結案248 未結案還有83然後行政不法39件然後這個刑案不起訴57件 罰款43件然後拘獄罰金緩刑14件 有期徒刑30件然後這個會議可以看"},{"start":816.574,"end":832.082,"text":"兩者如果以這個行政部法再加上這個刑案不起訴57件兩者總共加起來是96件佔這個全部案件差不多4成了換句話說每10件通報就4件最後沒有任何的處分"},{"start":833.41,"end":847.915,"text":"沒有任何處分你覺得這還是個案嗎這其一啦再來看能用錢處理的案件罰款是43件對不對拘罰金緩刑14件那加起來57件佔全部案件的23%這個還是個案嗎最後大家關注的判有期徒刑112.34件佔比是13.7%"},{"start":861.239,"end":888.853,"text":"應該大家就可以看出來這個醫療的暴力吼 代價有多低啦我要提醒這件事情 這是其一那第二件事情 兩件事講完之後就請副廳長就統一答覆啦吼這個 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