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十二月底會提出"},{"start":578.246,"end":601.864,"text":"十二月會提出來那這一些其實也很多很多委員今天的一個關心我相信召委會提出來就是想聽聽大家的意見大家及時廣益那我們也期待法務部家可以可以盡量盡量盡量讓一個一個法律制度的一個變革可以讓他更面面俱到比較保守的人"},{"start":602.622,"end":622.735,"text":"比較擔心的人像我比較擔心的人我會覺得說是不是再思考一下我不反對嘛我對你說特留份你說真正全部把它廢除的話財產爭議對社會產生的那種衝突很少我擔心的是整個法治面會動搖到整個兄弟姊妹之間的關係你說很多人說你這兄弟姊妹變成是我們沒在照顧的幾十年都沒在聯絡啊很多社會是這樣子沒有錯啊可是啊兄弟姊妹這幾個字像我就好了"},{"start":632.381,"end":649.809,"text":"我恨不得我更有能力去把我周遭的兄弟姐妹我的家族照顧得更好啊我們老一輩的人這一輩的人的想法是這樣子啊更年輕的人的想法是說一人一雞胎你怕什麼你會你不怕什麼你死好啊這樣想法的人也有啊但是我們這個是整個繼承的一個制度"},{"start":651.345,"end":676.452,"text":"走了快一百年了 要把它修訂 可以 別的國家也有我們也可以跟 衝擊也不大但是我比較擔心的就是修法下去以後好像宣告兄弟姊妹 再來就沒有那麼重要了以上提出 因為在立法院本來就是不同的看法大家互相提出來 大家做一個切磋 互相做一個參考博敬我這樣說可以啦 我不知道 無名 簡單給我回應一下"},{"start":677.646,"end":689.058,"text":"謝謝委員曾知卓堅的那個指導那我們會廣泛的再去那個思考跟研議 謝謝是啦 真的廣泛的思考跟研議啦因為這一題來講的話 張委員一定最熟的嘛德國確實是沒有嘛"},{"start":689.986,"end":690.006,"text":"謝謝鍾委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}