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本院委員吳立華等18人離去離島建設條例第13條條文修正常案陳秀榮會見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢五一通過 下議案第五案 本院委員吳立華等19人離去保險保部分條文修正常案陳秀榮會見交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢五一通過 下議案"},{"start":5594.269,"end":5612.401,"text":"第六案 本院委員吳麗華的18日離聚 學校公餐警學教育條例草案陳秀元會監教教育及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第七案 本院委員吳麗華的18日離聚 人工智慧基本法草案陳秀元會監教教育及文化交通良務委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5614.122,"end":5640.297,"text":"第八案 北約委員吳麗華等19人離去國家海洋科技營運中心設施條例草案陳秀榮會監交司法及法治內政兩委員會審查宣讀完畢第九案 北約委員吳麗華等18人離去社會福利基本法第四條條文修正草案陳秀榮會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第十案 北約委員吳麗華等18人離去老人福利法第二條條文修正草案"},{"start":5640.797,"end":5642.097,"text":"第十一案第十二案第十二案"},{"start":5666.644,"end":5692.902,"text":"第十三案 本院委員陳少明等16人凝聚農業發展條例第60條條文修正草案陳樹榮會見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十四案 本院委員林月琴等17人凝聚人體器官移植條例第6條條文修正草案陳樹榮會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十五案 本院委員林月琴等16人凝聚工會法第6條具及第7條條文修正草案"},{"start":5694.322,"end":5713.988,"text":"陳樹榮會見交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢第十六案 本院委員林月晴等二十一人離聚 陰害防治法部分條文修正草案陳樹榮會見交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢第十七案 本院委員林月晴等二十一人離聚 性別平等教育法第二十九條條文修正草案"},{"start":5714.568,"end":5715.989,"text":"第十八案第十九案第十九案"},{"start":5737.347,"end":5757.964,"text":"第20案 本議員楊從英等27人離去 獲稅條例第11條11條無修正草案 陳修緣會監交財政委員會審查 宣准完畢無異通過 下議案第21案 本議員林一錦等18人離去 陸海空軍刑法第24條條無修正草案 陳修緣會監交司法及法制或交集國防兩委員會審查 宣准完畢無異通過 下議案"},{"start":5759.185,"end":5777.665,"text":"第二十二案本院委員陳秀寶等二十三人凝聚運動產業發展條例部門的文修正草案陳秀陽會見交交集文化委員會審查宣言完畢第二十三案本院委員陳秀寶等二十三人凝聚大學法第七條條文修正草案陳秀陽會見交交集文化委員會審查宣言完畢"},{"start":5778.826,"end":5808.189,"text":"第二十四案本一位委員承受保囊二十四人凝聚運動財權發行條例第二條第二十一條及第二十一條之一條無休生草案承受委員會監教教育及文化財政兩委員會審查宣傳外幣第二十五案本一位委員承受保囊二十五人凝聚陰害防治法部分條無休生草案承受委員會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣傳外幣第二十六案本一位委員承受保囊二十三人凝聚老年農民福利津貼遵行條例第四條條無休生草案"},{"start":5809.35,"end":5832.271,"text":"陳樹榮會建交社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三位委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十七案 本委員會馬文君等十八人聯聚兒童及少年福利與學業保障法第十三條條文修正常案陳樹榮會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十八案 本委員會馬文君等十八人聯聚環境基本法第十三條條文修正常案"},{"start":5832.811,"end":5838.097,"text":"第29案 本院院員外美齡等16人年居青年基本法草案第30案 本院院員外美齡等16人年居運動財權發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案"},{"start":5853.114,"end":5864.159,"text":"委員會審查 宣言完畢第31案 本院委員羅廷偉等17人離聚住宅法第4條第15條及第23條條文修正常案製造委員會審查 宣言完畢第31案 本院委員羅廷偉等17人離聚運動產業發展條例第2條第24條及第26條條文修正常案"},{"start":5876.324,"end":5878.185,"text":"第33案 本院委員羅廷偉等17人凝聚 要害究其法第3條條文修正草案"},{"start":5900.23,"end":5901.471,"text":"委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":5917.22,"end":5929.313,"text":"第36案 本院委員會 盧廷偉等17人聯聚 個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案 程序委員會建交 經濟委員會審查 宣傳文憑第37案 本院委員會 盧廷偉等17人聯聚 國際金融業務條例第22條是16條文修正草案 程序委員會建交 財政委員會審查 宣傳文憑"},{"start":5938.082,"end":5953.849,"text":"第三十八案本院委員盧廷威等18人離去個人資料保護委員會主持法草案陳修揚會計較司法及法治經濟兩委員會審查宣傳完畢第三十九案本院委員楊耀等22人離去住宅法第25條條文修正草案"},{"start":5955.11,"end":5974.711,"text":"陳樹榮會見交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十一案本院委員楊耀等二十人理據職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正常案陳樹榮會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十一案本院委員楊耀等二十人理據治癒服務法第五條是一及第二十條條文修正常案"},{"start":5976.111,"end":5997.78,"text":"陳樹榮會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀外逼第四十二案 本委員揚邀等二十二人一聚社會福利基本法第二十條條文修正常案陳樹榮會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀外逼第四十三案 本委員揚邀等二十一人一聚兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第一百零二條條文修正常案"},{"start":5998.48,"end":6020.033,"text":"陳修緣委會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第四十四案本院委員許曉欣的17日離去中華民國國家紀念日及節日實施法草案陳修緣委會建交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢報告委員會報告事項第四十四案現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問委員會有無異議"},{"start":6023.838,"end":6046.139,"text":"請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁覆二讀與相關提案併案協商下一頁第四十五案本院委員許曉新的十六人凝聚核子反應器設施管制法第六道條文修正常案陳修援會兼教授與王花文委員會審查宣讀完畢報告事項第四十五案現有國民黨團體禁覆二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有無異議請問院會有無異議"},{"start":6051.343,"end":6072.311,"text":"沒有異議,好,本案禁服二讀,與相關提案並引案協商下議案第四十六案,本議會委員區小新的十六人聯聚運動產業發展條例第二十四條及第二十六條條文修正常案陳秀蓉會監交周杰、王晃委員會審查,宣言完畢第四十七案,本議會委員區小新的十七人聯聚環境基本法第二十三條條文修正常案"},{"start":6072.671,"end":6073.211,"text":"委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":6101.687,"end":6112.495,"text":"報告院會報告事項第49案現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商請問院會有無異議沒異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商下議案"},{"start":6113.021,"end":6141.918,"text":"第五十案 本月元王玉明的二十四人凝聚 環境基本法第二十三條條文修正常案 產修委員會兼教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣布完畢第五十一案 本月元王玉明的二十一人凝聚 氣候變遷應用法部分條文修正常案 產修委員會兼教育社會福利及衛生環境經濟產稅內鑽交通教育及文化六委員會審查 宣布完畢第五十二案 本月元王玉明的十七人凝聚 國民條約法第二十五條條文修正常案"},{"start":6142.398,"end":6142.558,"text":"委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":6169.634,"end":6189.719,"text":"第五十五案本院委員羅美玲的十八日連續內政部組織法第五條條務修正草案請修行會見交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣告完畢第五十六案本院委員羅美玲的十八日連續內政部新住民發展署組織法草案請修行會見交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣告完畢"},{"start":6190.879,"end":6208.552,"text":"第五十七案 本院委員羅美玲的17任免費職教育部庭署組織法陳樹永會建交司法及法治教育界文化兩委員會審查 宣言完畢第五十八案 本院委員陳樹永的17任免具道路交通管理處罰條例第21條 第21條之一及地方署條13條維修正常案"},{"start":6213.594,"end":6235.499,"text":"第五十九案 本院委員陳素月等十九人凝聚刑事訴訟法第205條之二 第205條之三及第205條之四條文修正草案陳素月委員會見交司法及法制委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十案 本院委員陳素月等十七人凝聚民法部分條文修正草案及民法金屬邊施刑法增訂第七條之一條文草案"},{"start":6240.14,"end":6255.325,"text":"第六十一案 本院委員邱若驊等16人聯聚兒童托育服務法草案陳秀永會監教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十二案 本院委員邱若驊等16人聯聚性別平等工作法第六十二條文修正草案"},{"start":6256.005,"end":6278.991,"text":"陳秀永會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十三案 北域委員邱若驊等十七人居身性障礙者須以保障罰第七十一條條無修正草案陳秀永會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十四案 北域委員邱若驊等十六人居老年農民福利今天算是條例第二條基地三條條無修正草案"},{"start":6279.551,"end":6279.951,"text":"委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":6308.061,"end":6333.761,"text":"第67案 北域委員盧憲宜等18人聯聚 教育基本法第5條條文修正草案陳修永會監教教育及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第68案 北域委員盧憲宜等18人聯聚 鐵路法第26條及第35條條文修正草案陳修永會監教交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第69案 北域委員翁曉琳等18人聯聚 法院組織法第106條條文修正草案"},{"start":6334.261,"end":6334.922,"text":"委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":6352.523,"end":6354.004,"text":"委員通告下言委員通告下言委員通告下言"},{"start":6375.017,"end":6393.746,"text":"第七十四案 北魏原區鎮的十九人鄰居 青年基本法草案 陳修永會建交交給王化永會審查 宣讀完畢第七十五案 北魏原張志倫的十七人鄰居 中華民國新法第271條及第286條條文修正草案 陳修永會建交司法及法律永會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6395.326,"end":6418.415,"text":"第76案 本院委員黃建豪等19人離聚 獲問稅條例第11條及第11條無修正常案 財修委員會間交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第77案 本院委員黃建豪等18人離聚 核子反應器實施管制法第6條無修正常案 財修委員會間交救濟文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢報告事項第77案 現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案寫上 請委員會有異議"},{"start":6424.744,"end":6446.386,"text":"請問議員會有異議?沒有異議?本案禁覆二讀,相關提案並按協商下頁第七十八案本議員為零件期的二十人凝聚原住民族保留地確定會附計管理利用條例草案請衆議院會見交內政委員會審查,宣言完畢異議通過下頁第七十九案本議員為零件期的十九人凝聚槍炮彈藥刀卸管制條例第四條條文書生草案"},{"start":6446.906,"end":6447.846,"text":"委員通過下言委員通過下言委員通過下言"},{"start":6470.572,"end":6487.512,"text":"第八十二案本院委員林倩琪等18人聯聚中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法第七條條文修正草案採訊由會見交由社會福利行為上環境委員會審查宣言完畢議通過下言第八十三案本院國民黨黨團聯聚中華民國新法第286條條文修正草案"},{"start":6488.032,"end":6508.64,"text":"請求委員會見交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第八十四案 北約元皇傑等十八人鄰居民法部分條文修正草案請求委員會見交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第八十五案 北約元皇傑等十九人鄰居武漿海洋科技營運中心順勢條例草案請求委員會見交司法及法治內政兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6511.201,"end":6528.135,"text":"第八十六案 本院委員和新選的二十六人凝聚教師法增立第四十七條之一條文草案請書員會見教授及文化委員會審查宣告完畢第八十七案 本院委員和新選的十九人凝聚外國專業人才也攬及雇用法第十二條及第十四條條文修正草案"},{"start":6528.715,"end":6529.336,"text":"委員通過宣言委員通過宣言"},{"start":6545.555,"end":6573.008,"text":"第八十九案本院委員離婚審的十六人離聚個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案柴州委員會皆交經濟委員會審查宣告完畢第九十案本院委員離婚審的十六人離聚保險法部分條文修正草案柴州委員會皆交財政委員會審查宣告完畢第九十一案本院委員離婚審的十六人離聚個人資料保護委員會組織法草案柴州委員會皆交司法及法術經濟的兩委員會審查宣告完畢"},{"start":6574.108,"end":6590.509,"text":"第九十二案 本院員工過癒刑等十六年的連續 遺產及贈與稅房部分條文修正草案 財政委員會見交財政委員會審查 確定完畢第九十三案 本院員工過癒刑等十六年的連續 陸海空間軍官士官服役條例第十三條及第十九條條文修正草案"},{"start":6591.07,"end":6592.451,"text":"委員通告下案委員通告下案委員通告下案"},{"start":6615.573,"end":6631.9,"text":"第九十六案 本院委員陳冠廷的十六人離去國際安全法第十三條條文修正草案陳樹永會屆交內政委員會審查宣言完畢第九十七案 本院委員陳冠廷的十六人離去陸海國軍軍官士官服役條例第十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案"},{"start":6632.5,"end":6633.461,"text":"第98案第99案第90案第91案"},{"start":6656.323,"end":6683.865,"text":"第一百案 本院原来是报的二十七人凝聚 所得税法第十七条条文修正常案 财政委员会监交财政委员会审查 宣布完毕第一零一案 本院原来是报的二十七人凝聚 预算法第八十八条条文修正常案 财政委员会监交财政委员会审查 宣布完毕第一零二案 本院原来是报的二十七人凝聚 货物税条例第十二条条文修正常案 财政委员会监交财政委员会审查 宣布完毕"},{"start":6685.106,"end":6705.076,"text":"第103案 本院允許信營等28人凝聚 預算法第44條 及第59條 條文修正常案 財修委員會皆交財政委員會審查 宣准完畢第104案 本院允許信營等26人凝聚 戶稅條例第11條 條文修正常案 財修委員會皆交財政委員會審查 宣准完畢"},{"start":6706.357,"end":6719.08,"text":"第105案 本月元克制案的18日連續 就業服務法第54條 維修正常案 財政委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第106案 本月元克制案的17日連續 戶稅條例第11條 維修正常案 財政委員會建交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6726.542,"end":6751.594,"text":"第107案 北院委員林彥雄等17人離聚 貨物稅條例第11條之1條文修正草案 財政委員會監交 財政委員會審查 宣布完畢第109案 北院委員林彥雄等16人離聚 保險法增定第123條之1條文草案 財政委員會監交 財政委員會審查 宣布完畢第109案 北院委員林彥雄等16人離聚 學校營養午餐及飲食教育條例草案"},{"start":6752.214,"end":6765.86,"text":"陳修揚會監教教育及文化委員會審查 宣告完畢第一一零案本月原住內雄等16年年居公務人員行為法第七條條文修正常案陳修揚會監教司法及法制委員會審查 宣告完畢"},{"start":6766.533,"end":6769.155,"text":"無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案"},{"start":6788.351,"end":6814.553,"text":"第113案 本議員李昆澤的27人凝聚職業安全衛生法部份條文修正草案財修委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣告完畢無疑通過 下一案第114案 本議員鄭天才的18人凝聚老人福利法部份條文修正草案財修委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣告完畢無疑通過 下一案第115案 本議員葛如君的17人凝聚運動產業發展條例第24條及第26條條文修正草案"},{"start":6817.795,"end":6833.4,"text":"財修委員會建交交付及文化委員會審查宣布完畢報告委員會現在一場二樓旁聽來自台中我們南屯區後備軍人輔導中心所有的好朋友我們掌聲熱烈歡迎無意通過下演"},{"start":6834.417,"end":6861.372,"text":"第116案 北越元葛珠圈的17人邻居 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國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責"},{"start":12809.909,"end":12832.191,"text":"我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略"},{"start":12834.954,"end":12852.631,"text":"鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過9成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過200億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過140%"},{"start":12854.272,"end":12882.808,"text":"那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮的優先的策略它其中一個是鬆綁它國內的相關的監管的制度"},{"start":12883.308,"end":12906.253,"text":"那對於國際貿易的部分他特別是重視這個非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分那這個部分在台灣我們那個漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長就是會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助我們一定會 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謝謝徐域珍委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢非常感謝報告委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止下午2點30分繼續開會進行經濟組織質詢現在休息"},{"start":13697.984,"end":13698.916,"text":"MING PAO CANADA MANGA"},{"start":13799.779,"end":13801.135,"text":"MING PAO CANADA MANGA"},{"start":19551.129,"end":19551.21,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":21604.98,"end":21633.499,"text":"抱怨會現在我們繼續開會進行經濟組資質詢現在在一場二樓來自政治大學國家發展研究所的所有同學們在此我們掌聲歡迎我們各位政大的同學們歡迎你們來立法院接下來委員吳啟明委員以資質詢以書面提出請行政院以書面答覆列入紀錄刊登公報在接下來我們請賴世保委請資質詢"},{"start":21644.978,"end":21661.51,"text":"謝謝主持人韓院長以及我們的卓院長以及各位先進有請卓院長但是要先拜託主席可不可以時間給我暫停我有權力問題但是要請院長能夠上來麻煩請卓院長備詢"},{"start":21671.465,"end":21679.631,"text":"向兩位院長報告我之所以提權宜問題啊這是第二次我來總諮詢經濟部長不來第二次我們的韓院長宅心仁厚太好了"},{"start":21687.871,"end":21702.048,"text":"請問主院長你知道我們郭志輝部長他的行程嗎跟委員致歉 郭部長今早應與總統有重要的好 我秀給你看 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請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長你好我們面對整個國際局勢的變化因為台灣是潛疊經濟事實上我們都是洞見觀瞻因為關稅的問題"},{"start":23861.721,"end":23885.915,"text":"造成整個國內中小企業以及上市上櫃公司1850幾家公司忐忑不安截至目前為止因為我們又多了90天的緩衝期不曉得院長對於台灣未來在全世界的經濟定位上"},{"start":23886.877,"end":23915.876,"text":"有沒有思考過如果他的關稅是維持32%對我們的影響是怎麼樣那有沒有可能是100%有沒有可能是50%或者是說也許可以回復到更低的我們叢林關稅開始談起根據剛剛所講本席所的123的情況你們可不可以大概回應一下你們所做好的砂盤推演"},{"start":23916.852,"end":23940.931,"text":"如果依照我們現在談判團隊進行談判的目標爭取國家最大利益跟維持產業在國際的競爭力這兩項來講我們當然希望從最低的關稅相互等的關稅來談及那這個最好能夠依照現在現行的關稅來做一個比較會比較好同時第一個比較是我們跟我們競爭國家的關稅我們絕對不能高於我們的競爭國家我們的國際競爭力才能維持"},{"start":23946.235,"end":23970.318,"text":"所以這兩個標準這兩個要求是我們賦予談判團隊在談判過程當中一定要為國家爭取的當然談判的過程當中我們很辛苦啦因為總是這個整個世界是現實的嘛大小還有他的實力是那麼樣的強我們只能夾縫中求生存不過在這裡還是要拜託"},{"start":23971.769,"end":23997.689,"text":"卓院長能體恤民情畢竟這波關稅大概下來的話大概海嘯第一排大概有二十幾萬人首當其衝包括做inverter、做PCB、做工具機、做螺絲加工等等、做自行車等等這些都需要政府的支持特別"},{"start":23998.956,"end":24018.455,"text":"我們整個體制就是企業是靠銀行銀行要支持企業企業才能照顧員工是不是在這個面對如果是維持高關稅的時候政府可以提出相關的應急措施過去也曾經提過"},{"start":24019.707,"end":24038.592,"text":"政府挺銀行銀行挺企業企業挺員工三挺的原則啊的確度過了難關不曉得政府有沒有準備好了所以我們在這個九大面向二十項措施裡面無論是針對工業或是農業第一個舉出的就是金融支持"},{"start":24039.762,"end":24061.333,"text":"對於貸款、額度、利息的減免等等我們都做了很多在面對不同的產業不同的需求方面甚至對於它的保險我們也做了要求另外我們在租稅方面也進行降低甚至降到1%的都有另外我們在降低行政成本上面就是政府可以吸收的部分我們都有"},{"start":24062.266,"end":24080.394,"text":"因為國難當頭啊大家互相的照顧互相扶持我覺得這個是應該的而且要大力來支持特別是一般的員工啊如果他如果突然因為企業沒有辦法經營那失去了這個工作我的天啊"},{"start":24081.532,"end":24107.778,"text":"這真的是非常痛苦的事情所以希望政府未雨綢繆在面對現在當前的情況之下以及未來輔導就業方面應該來做妥適的調整那不曉得院長這裡有沒有整個沙盤推演整理過最需要救的是哪幾群類的最需要救的"},{"start":24109.889,"end":24123.588,"text":"這個衝擊最大的如果是電子通訊產業那就是它的攝服器跟這個顯示卡這個是最重要的那您剛剛提到的金屬扣件金屬螺絲這個部分"},{"start":24124.048,"end":24150.05,"text":"所以我們在這一次的特別條例追溯到3月12號就開始因為那個時候鋼鐵就課徵25%已經擴及到它所有的衍生產品所以我們也擴及到了若是我們還有沒有去設想到的那麼委員可以提供出來我們可以再進行討論是喔 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夫婦來我們現在在講的是經貿政策"},{"start":26680.354,"end":26701.742,"text":"經貿政策你只要經貿政策而已我內心裡唯一的想法就是台灣是世界的台灣台灣不會是美國的台灣這個裡面的意思我們可能解讀到現在你也不敢講得很清楚因為太模糊了你有心思我們要面向著太平洋還是譬如說台灣還是不管"},{"start":26703.086,"end":26714.782,"text":"你有欺騙,有擔憂你把ECO法現在停掉,表示你欺騙人家說要脫離中國大陸嘛報告院長,世界可能我們台灣該激進"},{"start":26716.257,"end":26741.303,"text":"偷中日本我們趕快跳出來我把他整個報紙仔細看了用AI在追尋還沒有一個國家講過說要偷中日本所以我台灣非常積極表態我們講的是已經賴總統把大陸認為是境外的敵對勢力不然你大膽的去批評說那口罩我們不愛啦我不要跟你砍花啦"},{"start":26742.236,"end":26768.281,"text":"你敢不敢我們講的是從西進南向東拓到北河初中入北這句話是一個學者在專案報告當中所用的名稱你不要這樣跟我說你現在推給學者你政府官員裡面的報告都寫了初中入北我到底要聽什麼人的他是影院專案報告裡面的一個名稱你現在常常模模糊糊"},{"start":26771.758,"end":26792.896,"text":"你看你們幾個報告裡面有沒有投中入北你收學者講的我收官員講的你又不承認官員講的來謀進俄亂動啊我從來沒有講過台灣是美國隊啊台灣是世界隊我今天問這問題沒有什麼我要抓住你真正的心中的思想跟你的想法"},{"start":26794.076,"end":26815.609,"text":"左委員長 你又聽得好你說希望台北城是真正的國家首都而不是一個跟中國大陸牽扯不清的台北城喔 你這整篇文章下來 我感覺是一個獨立宣言我現在要問你 你現在台北城"},{"start":26816.912,"end":26844.575,"text":"是要做中華民國的首都還是要做台灣獨立國的首都你給我講清楚好我們有意識我們現在都在中華民國的憲法底下以後會不會變成台灣獨立國的首都這要講清楚現在我沒有任何這樣的你現在常常說我要贏的中華民國你就贏但是你們在任何場所都不談中華民國台灣獨立 台灣勇敢 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整三年來大家都不知道你也把總結預算跟民眾講刪去"},{"start":27028.888,"end":27055.564,"text":"凍結預算你民進黨的立委有提國民黨的立委有提比較多那是大家說一個我意思要表態而已啊你把他扣到為真的事實這個政黨怎麼可以相信你啊我希望在你這位院長裡面最好大家能平平安安過好日子不要讓悲傷很大面目民間非常驕傲我跟你說的是這位"},{"start":27057.601,"end":27076.246,"text":"有人跟我講你以前眼睛很柔和現在變得很原始你的好朋友一個跟我這麼講可能壓力大但是台灣的變形過後才重要我這說完我會得不到你的答案你說你講的話不是政治問題 經濟問題你們的問題模模糊糊的帶過但是 左院長"},{"start":27084.403,"end":27094.394,"text":"你這篇的文章出來我是讀了三四遍一直讀我要了解你們真正推動政策要做什麼了解你內心的含義"},{"start":27096.223,"end":27116.093,"text":"我相信跟我今天買飯的問題已經差不了多遠了再來這是說安全我們台灣一句話千金買宿萬金買黃金現在所有的智庫裡面都說台海兩岸"},{"start":27117.27,"end":27146.099,"text":"完美的風暴要形成,我希望要紳士,要熟慮,好好啊,大家看要安裝的,說出來,誰敢不想要人家搞,大家平安,大家會講的就盡量講,包括台灣內部的政治狀況,也是一樣,看阿傑你,我不知道我現在怎麼變成這樣,那些往今哪裡講的一個是真的,我是很老實的人,我是很實在在講話,"},{"start":27147.319,"end":27160.791,"text":"你叫我講街尾 我不跟你講 我就這樣很羈絆台灣不是要走向美國 是走向全世界我們從立足台灣 布局全球 行銷全世界我不是跟你講走向全世界是台灣轉向面向海洋 走向全世界你走向美國 跨離那個"},{"start":27166.834,"end":27170.736,"text":"那是我們在經濟上要自主安全這意義很清楚了啊好 再來我要講我地方的事情今天聽說你們把預算裡面全部補助減了50我接到 好 載你們來"},{"start":27188.476,"end":27210.203,"text":"大家來都照這個法律做,你們都講五十多項愛到不行,什麼事情都不會做,不要這麼做,改改改,你們執政黨要有那個氣度,那我現在很快,再來苗栗大溪谷計畫,需要行政院全面協調,這來列地推動,苗栗縣很積極,"},{"start":27211.827,"end":27227.914,"text":"報告院長,苗栗縣窮怕,所以我們在努力奮鬥,在改變苗栗縣。接下來的主管機關沒有,你仔細看一下。今天國民司長以前在一張國發會,還有請我們國會委員會幫我們協調這樣的事情。因為國發會是屬於大巿府上位計畫,"},{"start":27235.492,"end":27264.548,"text":"那國科會又不敢擔當因為我們那兩地科學研究院加以差不多38公頃科學管理研究院要85公頃85公頃 剩下85公頃不敢擔當勇於擔當勇於認識你跟我打過一直打過去給院長對苗栗了解產業何次何種不跟你講現在產業是無所適從台灣的企業相應無名次你仔細看了這個內容再來"},{"start":27266.977,"end":27277.985,"text":"再來這個裡面講四人CPTPP我在108年11月我就提出說日本要請中國大陸不要請台灣"},{"start":27295.575,"end":27298.297,"text":"好 謝謝陳昌明委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長經濟部的備詢接下來我們請黃建斌委員質詢 張宏祿委員請準備"},{"start":27323.689,"end":27326.711,"text":"謝謝韓院長沒有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好"},{"start":27336.297,"end":27360.778,"text":"院長好 院長雖然最近因為全台大半面的行為讓我們整個台灣社會非常的動盪但本期希望我們在利用立法院總時群這麼寶貴的時間能夠跟院長您一起來針對我們台東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論那想辦法解決台東現在面臨的一些困境我想這才是人民想要"},{"start":27361.693,"end":27376.182,"text":"看到的那因此本席先向院長您表達善意那上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多台東的一些災後重建的問題那後來也爭取到了我們這個台東旅宿業的這個電價動向"},{"start":27377.843,"end":27399.616,"text":"還有我們台東農損全品項的補助後來院長也親自到台東來勘栽我想這樣的互動是非常理想的這樣的地方的聲音能夠被中央來聽見然後共同促進我們地方的建設我想希望在今天的總質詢當中的過程裡面這樣的良性互動我們可以持續的保持下去"},{"start":27400.799,"end":27430.006,"text":"那在今天總視訊一開始本席想要請教院長院長你有沒有去過台東的海岸線旅遊台東的海岸線有去過有沒有比較印象深刻的一些景點反正就是跟西部不同的非常漂亮而且一望無際的海洋很舒服這樣我都以為台東好像是另外一個國度一樣是非常舒服的地方院長我們很多到台東的感受都一樣那現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點來"},{"start":27432.298,"end":27456.951,"text":"院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎請回原說院長這是渡蘭灣渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山叫渡蘭山台東海岸基本上就是在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東"},{"start":27460.272,"end":27484.077,"text":"從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告了那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子"},{"start":27486.584,"end":27499.86,"text":"我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那"},{"start":27500.592,"end":27530.338,"text":"我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意"},{"start":27531.564,"end":27547.479,"text":"沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長、民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確"},{"start":27549.312,"end":27568.064,"text":"我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線"},{"start":27569.085,"end":27586.7,"text":"那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益"},{"start":27587.501,"end":27609.815,"text":"那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄"},{"start":27610.655,"end":27625.46,"text":"那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態"},{"start":27626.94,"end":27645.288,"text":"身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會如果風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長"},{"start":27649.259,"end":27660.653,"text":"經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情"},{"start":27661.446,"end":27679.308,"text":"嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持"},{"start":27680.11,"end":27698.336,"text":"謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道"},{"start":27699.116,"end":27717.861,"text":"院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有關山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達"},{"start":27719.175,"end":27743.01,"text":"那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道 我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護 我絕對保護台東的環境"},{"start":27747.881,"end":27753.655,"text":"那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國門村來反映那我請你們農業部長我們請農業部長"},{"start":27770.4,"end":27793.957,"text":"受到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個牆台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個牆台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此"},{"start":27794.597,"end":27818.967,"text":"那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映"},{"start":27819.787,"end":27825.975,"text":"那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳"},{"start":27827.659,"end":27849.764,"text":"那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農"},{"start":27853.488,"end":27867.627,"text":"跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨芒果荔枝龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早"},{"start":27868.148,"end":27891.187,"text":"那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間"},{"start":27892.208,"end":27911.768,"text":"是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁,"},{"start":27913.447,"end":27935.341,"text":"那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變"},{"start":27936.594,"end":27950.902,"text":"謝謝部長 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那我們這個部分我們會再做加強多辦一些宣導的場次那特別是針對一些工業區啦或是這些這個產業的聚落我們特別來加強做宣導我認為啦多辦場次啊什麼的我跟你講雖然預算被刪了啦但連給他們的一封email或給他們一封信給他們這樣講這個完全沒有錢可以做嗎"},{"start":28639.635,"end":28666.678,"text":"跟我們報告 事實上我們這一個部分我們是非常注意到的這個這個 稀產地的這個問題尤其不是啦 我剛剛就跟你講說我現在問你說 你這樣要一封信這樣你們是都沒有錢可以做了嗎有沒有 我只問你這個你是 我們可以 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我清楚不過現在就是說我們希望能夠讓這些中小企業能夠去了解我們現在台灣這邊相關的這些嚴防稀產地或是說嚴防這個中國地下傾銷的這些問題的話那事實上我們必須要透過很多的管道跟通路這邊去能夠去接觸到所有做這個外銷相關的生意的這些中小企業這是我們必須要努力的"},{"start":29020.25,"end":29029.815,"text":"哇 我知道啦 你現在講的這些其實考試你都可以這樣寫啦 這樣講啦我現在要問你的是如何傳達"},{"start":29031.888,"end":29052.824,"text":"那我剛剛啊,也有跟你講啊,就是說比如說這些你們手上都有啊,他的營業額他的什麼的這種的,你們應該一封信或一個傳單直接到他們的工廠裡面,我覺得這個才能夠讓他們知道,"},{"start":29053.829,"end":29071.436,"text":"想不到他也知道有這個問題不然傻傻接單之後面臨高額的罰款我跟你講他不是有心要做這件事情的結果如果這樣的話工廠一天就倒了那我們要這種情況發生嗎是"},{"start":29075.248,"end":29096.523,"text":"那這個部分我們回去我們會來做這方面的一些改進我想我們盡量就是把所有的這些做外銷生意的這些中小企業每一家我們都能夠讓他們了解現在政府的相關的這些政策我跟你講你還是有一個邏輯點你沒有跳過我剛說的這些廠商"},{"start":29100.643,"end":29126.75,"text":"他可能也沒有這可能十幾二十年都沒有做過出口生意囉他完全沒有做過出口生意囉現在因為是中國被受到強烈這種制裁他跳過這個來給台灣的廠商下這個訂單他有可能都沒有出口過可能十幾二十年沒有做過出口的你這樣聽懂我的意思嗎是 我了解"},{"start":29130.117,"end":29155.469,"text":"有沒有我說的這種情況發生你覺得有可能啦有可能這種情況發生那不過就是說我們會去觀察一下就從大陸來的這些接單的這個狀況那我們會來做一些了解那是不是他的這個產品的內容是不是這個回到中國大陸之後他會做什麼樣的一些處理"},{"start":29156.474,"end":29167.67,"text":"回到中國大陸就中國大陸的這些廠商他來到台灣這邊下單之後他這個產品會做什麼樣的處理他不會再回到中國大陸就在台灣的部分做什麼樣的處理"},{"start":29168.824,"end":29194.564,"text":"他就是下單啊可能有一些原物料或什麼他也可能中國來東南亞來啊什麼對不對那搞不好一不小心就超過了那個百分之三十五啊所以我們在發原產地證明的時候我們就會很小心這樣的一個會有這樣的一個現象時間的話我要跟你講的就是說我說的這些廠商不是你印象中的那些廠商這些廠商"},{"start":29198.12,"end":29210.351,"text":"可能就是因為這一波可能會誤入一些法律上的問題那他根本就不知道的這點你們要趕快去處理啦是好謝謝張宏祿委員質詢謝謝經濟部備詢接下來我們請登記第20號丁學忠委員請質詢"},{"start":29231.701,"end":29239.307,"text":"感謝韓院長請卓院長以及永恩城副長麻煩請卓院長農業部備詢應委員好院長好副長好"},{"start":29255.782,"end":29264.784,"text":"當前兩年以來,我們這個美國政府對我們台灣的關稅提高到30%雖然暫緩90天,對我們台灣未來的發展可能要應用很大也把外散戶的農業運動都去撐住了我們台灣的農業運動有很大的衝擊,我們的政府有最大的應應對策"},{"start":29281.875,"end":29303.822,"text":"我們對三鴨的支持放在地裡,所以我們提出九大面向二十項措施,就是想讓我們的三鴨可以安心,這個對不管是港鴨還是農鴨,我們都涵蓋在裡面,所以就是我們準備要淡泡的內容,那個方案準備好事,現在隨時,我們相逢時間說好事,馬上就啟動這個地理署的正式回答。"},{"start":29304.755,"end":29308.056,"text":"感謝議長,現在這個關稅的基石暫緩了,美國關稅的政策,我們都有辦法去預料,有可能三天一宵券,五天一大券,我們都要有辦法放心,如果未來對美國出口的這個"},{"start":29323.621,"end":29327.643,"text":"農產品維持這個高關稅希望英國和國中可以更完整的主管跟協助我們的農業商品可以度過這個難關對於我們這個美國的農產品來講,我們農業國有做"},{"start":29343.272,"end":29360.437,"text":"因應產品的清單內地但我們分林可以說是台灣中最多在這也感謝我們肯定帶著醫藥師去到我們分林做一個行業業者做一個座談會還有一些因應措施也有跟他們說完我希望我們可以想更好的來看總統隨時來應變最好的應變措施"},{"start":29372.84,"end":29385.392,"text":"我跟委員報告,我們現在削除一些方案的部分,隨時都會滾動的檢討,農民的座談我們也會持續去做,如果說有一些更好的建議值得我們納入的,我們會隨時滾動檢討。"},{"start":29387.116,"end":29393.161,"text":"好 感謝 感謝國長除了可能外銷的影響 再來要面對的就是我們這個談判的一個問題我們台灣雖然是沒有當第一波的優先談判的名單內裡除了可能要面對到我們這個三額管道費會去遇到這個高官稅的衝擊很多我們都去問 都在跟我們問啦我們政府除了可以看對於美國領官稅做條件"},{"start":29416.518,"end":29427.225,"text":"這有可能會讓他們擔心我們對於美國這個零關稅會影響到我們的農業發展會發生到極大的一個傷害這次剛好接到這次的質詢他們一定會考慮做為來討論一個未來五輪安拉黨法"},{"start":29439.201,"end":29451.655,"text":"全民零關稅對我們六四的這個犧牲額和擁殖額會有最大的影響請我們議長跟我們國長可以高情,我們來犧牲我們的農業,這樣好不好?委員報告,美國所謂第一波的談判國家不是只有一個國家"},{"start":29458.669,"end":29473.054,"text":"有很多國家都在第一個行列當中我相信我們有辦法我們就是在這個行列當中第一波的行列當中我現在的意思是說不要去影響到這個黨派的過程中間總統一直有支持跟堅持都於優先都欺民的權利一定要盡最大的力量來保護這個一定是國家最大的表明"},{"start":29487.158,"end":29502.464,"text":"東方,去到美國東方的立軍,他們對著他們的農業,是都非常堅持的過後啦,所以希望說我們中華民國也是一樣,可以對著我們農業、我們的企業的這個過程,一樣可以堅持來跟他們過後。不斷對農業還是農業一些,尤其是民間的幸福,我們一定會做很大的堅持。好,感謝議長。"},{"start":29512.978,"end":29515.979,"text":"當我們剛才在討論我們要關注國內關稅的危機我們需要特別醫生來處理我在這裏也要說做到這次的手術"},{"start":29528.746,"end":29539.037,"text":"農業局當今年的醫生的帖子,看要怎樣來幫助、照顧我們的農民。我們今年的醫生農業局是一千六百九十多人,今年是一千六百九十多人。基隆台調二十日,變成一千九百七十多人。"},{"start":29550.404,"end":29570.993,"text":"一千九百四十二億七十二億七十二億我們這樣算多少?我們算六十三億,不過我跟委員報告,我們加的一些經費是要做比較多事情的對,比例來做比較多事情我跟委員報告六十三億裡面,有五十七億是我們撥撥我們的基金,我們的基金包括我們的"},{"start":29571.753,"end":29592.998,"text":"一些產銷調節的基金包括一些肥料補助的經費包括一些對地綠色給付的這個部分都是由公務來撥補到基金的部分所以這個部分本來我們有計差不多八十億現在因為被刪掉二十億以後就變成在資金上面來講就會比較困擾"},{"start":29595.213,"end":29599.595,"text":"剛剛有刪掉到20億20億,刪了20億有刪掉到20億對不過我的資料是沒有我的資料是20.14億沒關係,我們刪多少"},{"start":29609.943,"end":29621.166,"text":"我也希望說中央的這些人可以好好來照顧貴姓照顧農民像我們今年我們這個工糧收購我們從一年到五年也在這裡討論幾個月我們五年過程是提高1.5塊我們台幣3.5塊是5塊你們知道這1.5塊增加到我們政府多少的經費"},{"start":29641.522,"end":29656.018,"text":"我們的糧食產業的升級大概是花了大概是六十四億左右你說1.5塊而已不是不是因為我們的整個方案不是只有照顧到高供應的農民也照顧到沒有高供應的農民還有轉做的一些雜糧的農民"},{"start":29661.224,"end":29672.158,"text":"現在農民都加起來,照顧的人數差不多三十五萬人比我們本來的設計,委員會建議的設計差不多二十幾萬人左右所以我們有多一點的方向去跟農民照顧"},{"start":29679.298,"end":29688.262,"text":"我希望我們可以同樣演繹到我們台肥的通過,這個國庫的奉用,我們繼續努力,因為我們給1.5塊,只有這個1.5塊,我們當這個公司收購,都要給1.5億而已"},{"start":29699.147,"end":29700.448,"text":"我跟委員報告,我們現在實行的糧食產業升級的方案裡面"},{"start":29729.387,"end":29755.316,"text":"高供牛的有變少去做雜糧的變多沒高供牛去做集團產區的變多表示說我們的政策是正確的表示說你本來在高供牛的人你應該因為你專做集團產區的時候可以讓他的收益會更好所以我們現在預計還會持續的照這樣的方向去推"},{"start":29758.365,"end":29770.158,"text":"剛才補充說的那個集團的股份,有集團式的方式下去執行這個共同責任,我們那裡都是大在競爭的,你說集團這個他們比較不會受的"},{"start":29775.263,"end":29793.651,"text":"對啦 他們比較不會 你要用比較常態化 他們有辦法 就是說對我們政府的政治經驗的方式我們特別知道 我知道分林地區一直有專案的人去輔導如果說農民 他沒有了解什麼人可以跟他接觸 我們都會做一些媒合啦"},{"start":29793.851,"end":29797.937,"text":"隨時如果需要我們農業局繼續合作的部分我拜託農業局要繼續繼續幫我們農業局 再幫我們做什麼我們會叫我們的議員下去做"},{"start":29806.411,"end":29821.814,"text":"好,這樣再做一個問題就是我們的山坑,我們芬林沿海這裡有很多這個企鵝仔,企鵝仔的養殖業,我們企鵝仔的時代,他們年紀都比較多,有時候卡手,如果遇到忘記在修繩的時候,人手比較有效,要申請這個外勞,"},{"start":29832.856,"end":29834.396,"text":"我們現在農業的外來大概有兩萬人"},{"start":29856.448,"end":29867.558,"text":"剛才你講的這個所有的這些養殖或者是捕撈漁業的話就要有漁船證的部分那你剛才講到一個重點就是我們養科的部分有一些"},{"start":29869.922,"end":29886.568,"text":"這個部分我有請我們的漁業署去評估但是相對的就是我們要請外勞的時候不是說請了以後就不管他你必須提供他的吃住的部分還有管理的部分我們現在用一個外展的移工來協助"},{"start":29888.308,"end":29901.808,"text":"就是由農會或漁會他能夠雇用一些外籍移工如果你需要的時候他那個需要也不是每天都需要當你需要的時候用這樣的方式去支援的方式也能夠部分的解決他這樣的問題"},{"start":29902.705,"end":29913.174,"text":"如果有辦法這樣去執行、去幫人家倒三天,這也是很好的一個方式啦我們沿海有很多真的都比較適合這個角度因為真的年輕人比較不會接我們這個龍飛傘的這個工作啦我們很多我們的事大都很堅持著我們的龍飛傘的這個過分所以他們需要倒腳手的,就一個年就是要請角度"},{"start":29929.329,"end":29932.052,"text":"所以這個過分請議長補充再給我們倒三天好 今天我也是再壓手 這樣才好感謝議長 感謝補充謝謝委員謝謝左院長 農業部的備詢"},{"start":29944.994,"end":29955.664,"text":"拜會我們本日排諮詢的委員均已經詢答完畢謝謝卓院長以及相關部會首長的列席答詢4月29號星期二上午9點我們繼續開會進行經濟組織諮詢現在休息"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}