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請吳思耀委員非常遺憾我們在立法院這麼多年從來沒有看過開會時間到了那事前沒有提供任何的書面資料那今天現場也沒有任何的會議文件那這一周的主題誠如剛剛昭偉所說的每一個都合理正當"},{"start":3628.385,"end":3655.67,"text":"立法院的自通安全不重要嗎立法院的意識中立不重要嗎甚或是立法院要防共諜滲透要強化整個國安的機制難道不重要嗎所以就召委排案的主題上來說這完全都是立法院應當受到國會監督的範疇第二個呢今天周萬來再一次示範了什麼是升級版的藐視國會"},{"start":3657.811,"end":3675.707,"text":"4月1號的當天他一樣沒有請假但是當天至少還有一張韓國瑜院長燙金版的請假函要替周恩來做一個免備詢免開會史上最大牌立法院秘書長的免死金牌今天"},{"start":3677.027,"end":3699.462,"text":"什麼都沒有,連請假的程序都沒有那發一張不知所云的新聞稿,這比藐視國會更藐視國會第三件事情,我也要來說明一下上週在同樣的司法法治委員會同樣的是以專案報告的方式來排定議程,召委是吳宗憲"},{"start":3701.084,"end":3713.821,"text":"當周還做出了對於國安會秘書長如果沒有來列席的譴責案如果說今天所引用的立法院各委員會組織法第二條成立的話"},{"start":3715.421,"end":3736.772,"text":"以後立法院各個委員會都沒有辦法因應時事議題來排定專案報告依立法院各委員會組織法第二條如果被立法院州案來等人如同今天的新聞稿這樣曲解的解釋的話立法院自我沒沒收了"},{"start":3737.953,"end":3749.511,"text":"監督的权限未来没有经过院会交付的议案任何的专题报告实事议题都没有办法排案"},{"start":3751.72,"end":3773.809,"text":"這樣子的誤用法律曲解法律只是為了護航周萬來只是為了為周萬來為事把法令這樣的曲解非常的可惡非常的可異那如果這樣的話那上週吳宗憲排的三個專案報告對不起兩個專案報告也沒辦法排案啊"},{"start":3774.881,"end":3784.751,"text":"如果這樣子的新聞稿成立的話上週他們完全沒有權利做出譴責依程序請假的官員"},{"start":3786.178,"end":3804.411,"text":"所以说立法院已经成为比双标更双标我看到蓝白的委员在媒体上痛斥我们的庄昭伟的排案他们严重的侵犯了民进党昭伟排案的权利他们还说这样的排案是要围殴周万来"},{"start":3805.411,"end":3819.466,"text":"並沒有要圍毆任何人我們在行使國會的嚴肅的監督權限反而看到藍白的委員在替周萬來為事在替周萬來為事所以比遺憾更遺憾"},{"start":3820.347,"end":3844.406,"text":"我想等一下看趙偉怎麼樣來才是因為從來沒發生這種事情報告連書面文件都沒有然後列席半個人影沒看到連請假函都沒有連基本的尊重都沒有周恩來過去寫的每一本議事規則的書真的都可以丟進歷史的焚化爐他自己帶頭藐視國會踐踏國會的議事規則"},{"start":3850.247,"end":3873.624,"text":"謝謝吳士雅委員 朝委在這個地方還是要跟委員會表達歉意我們其實完全按照整個議事規定我們上個禮拜 我辦公室裡面四點多就發出開會通知了到也不是什麼到六點 不是 四點多我就開始發出開會通知那其實今天呢 我一早來的時候 我看連一本報告都沒有"},{"start":3874.284,"end":3899.381,"text":"其實我就料到了 可能他可能就不會來了吧但我一個感觸就是說 這太過於大膽了你看這個除了民進黨的委員以外藍白全部都沒有來 都沒有來這當然藍白就是對周恩來的一個相挺這個非常夠意識的挺周恩來可是這樣挺下去的結論會變成什麼呢"},{"start":3901.4,"end":3909.332,"text":"就是變成我們整個立法院的秘書處選邊站以後啊 周恩來就變成這一邊這一國的 這一卦的這好嗎這好嗎立法院的秘書長"},{"start":3917.505,"end":3933.674,"text":"輔佐立法院院長讓他整個意識變得更公正更順暢那很顯然的他就選邊站了他不來了因為他認為有一群人一大票人更多數比這個綠這邊更多數所以立法院秘書長他就靠到這一邊這樣好嗎很安全但是符合一個立法院秘書長該有的一個作為嗎"},{"start":3944.502,"end":3963.062,"text":"再次強調立法院秘書長從過去到現在到上個月都是要到司法法制委員會來做專題報告立法院的秘書處 立法院所有的行政官員沒有說他們都不受監督的"},{"start":3968.069,"end":3987.699,"text":"沒有說整個司法法制委員會來要求來列席對立法院的事項 心格跟建議他可以理都不理 甚至認為說這是完全是侵犯到整個立法院長的一個職權荒唐 開什麼玩笑"},{"start":3988.82,"end":4008.146,"text":"好像以為誰當了立法院長,誰愛怎麼樣就怎麼樣,立法院的職員好像螃蟹一樣,就可以橫著走,不受任何一個監督,是這樣子嗎?那過去啊,我們司法法制委員會啊,來邀請立法院秘書長,這麼多次啊,都會到委員會裡面來進行報告,並受質詢。"},{"start":4013.038,"end":4023.504,"text":"過去慣例所在多有這個主公來各界來做一個省思啊再來譴責 人都沒來 你給他譴責要幹什麼你要寫的喔那年紀有比較大小塊 你就寫到平和一點喔 你寫一段時間 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大家還有趙偉大家看有沒有修正文字那我更正一下今天譴責的人員是周萬蘭秘書長因為高百祥處長希望他週三週四的議程會來出席今天邀請的列席是沒有他的好"},{"start":4220.72,"end":4233.597,"text":"我們過去喔,臨時提案都11點啦,但看起來今天他們人還沒夠啦那我們是不是現在就處理臨時提案?好,再三回,好,可以我們現在處理臨時提案"},{"start":4275.27,"end":4275.73,"text":"還是要對主題講一下"},{"start":4290.58,"end":4319.342,"text":"立法院的意識空間運作運用的狀況跟未來的治理的規劃顯然在由錫昆院長第九屆第十屆有提出完整的院區規劃的一個也成立了任務編組的委員會也提出了具體的方案但是這個使命交到韓國瑜院長之後這整個案子形同是原地踏步甚至可以說是胎死腹中"},{"start":4320.495,"end":4343.967,"text":"所以說韓國瑜院長只會當一個吃吃喝喝的康樂股長只會關心今天替誰祝生日快樂中午午餐吃什麼但對於國會的整個空間的治理他完全把這個案子丟在一邊第二個今天的主題國會數位化推動的進度資安的防護方案"},{"start":4345.146,"end":4371.662,"text":"各個委員會都在詢答進行因應資通安全法所要求的各部會各院紀之間的軟硬體的精進只有立法院沒有規劃沒有作為立法院很可能成為台灣資訊安全的破口今天的兩個主題非常的合理正當周恩來是心虛"},{"start":4373.243,"end":4395.462,"text":"自己不敢來質詢還是他們認為這兩個議案對於立法院毫不重要不需要重視所以就主題的部分還是很謝謝焦偉焦偉不用我們貴師弟這也不是焦偉預期但是焦偉排的這兩個案子就議題的正當性還有程序上"},{"start":4396.022,"end":4402.908,"text":"都完全合乎規定,也合乎過去的往例所以趙偉你辛苦了這兩個主題,他如果不來,我們議會也要討論啦是啦,我們剛才以曾德在賞委員同意現在我們來處理臨時提案,共一案啦來請宣讀"},{"start":4417.698,"end":4434.998,"text":"臨時提案一 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