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不然真的會呈現說是最貴的一個攝影棚跟器材室的一個放在這麼重要的位置沒有 那不是倉庫 那是現在有160多位同仁在上班的主要辦公空間好 那這一部分呢還有就是再請一下 謝謝 我們現在請的是胡萬寧社長抱歉喔 這個 稍微 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谢谢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}