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影響力還有公共服務營運效率等五大面向進行調查這是一份財團法人公共電視文化基金會2024年公共價值評量調查研究這份你看過嗎"},{"start":423.356,"end":438.828,"text":"看過我們這屆董事會要求每一年執行這個公共價值評量你看過嗎在這個報告當中本席看到公視歷年的觸達率可以說是逐年下降逐年下降就可能過去10年下來"},{"start":439.969,"end":464.332,"text":"那我们看到这个处答率是越来越低再来呢我们看到这个报告也有分别去调查海外的这个针对这个台湾Plus的部分那这个海外的外籍的观众在台的外籍观众还有本国的观众进行这个节目满意度的这个一个调查我们看到这个数字看起来虽然好像蛮漂亮的它是一个用分数用打分数的方式对吗"},{"start":465.452,"end":488.705,"text":"但是你看我們的調查樣本大概只有6個人到10個人那我們就把這份研究報告拿出來你覺得這個有參考性跟代表性嗎可不可以說明一下好 謝謝第一個要說明一下頻道的觸達就是所謂的頻道收視率的下降是全部電視的生態也不是只有台灣我們當然在這個部分我們也並沒有做到比較好的"},{"start":489.725,"end":513.324,"text":"結果那這個部分我們透過其他平台增加所以剛才報告我們所有的數位平台的收視的觸達都在倍增所以這點要先說明那至於這個部分台灣plus的部分是因為沒有辦法對國外進行普查或者是其他方式的調查所以我們用的是直訊調查的方法直訊調查方法所以它樣本比較少它是用focus group的概念去進行的我們還有本國觀眾啊 董事長"},{"start":515.25,"end":542.561,"text":"因為我們當然有本國觀眾有我們那個量的部分有這是質的部分你本國觀眾的部分你也是用你所謂的執行的調查去做訪問嘛但你用這個10個人6個人然後你就說我的分數這麼高80分90分這個我覺得它的代表性跟參考價值喔董事長其實可能要再考量一下喔因為未來我看這個報告是每兩年都會做一次對不對我們現在是每年做一次每年做一次預算呢"},{"start":543.727,"end":545.417,"text":"預算就是由公司基金會多少錢 做這份"},{"start":549.688,"end":576.859,"text":"對 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