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葉毓蘭然後呢到這個吳宗憲"},{"start":3194.312,"end":3196.234,"text":"這全部都是你公民黨的更何況我們今天排這樣的一個議程我相信社會大眾應該可以看得很清楚嘛我們邀請立法院秘書長、議事處處長、法治局局長裡面這三個大頭來針對立法院的運作3月22日晚間我們本院的違法會議違法表決的司法性"},{"start":3221.008,"end":3230.51,"text":"來表達意見有沒有違反公務人員服務法我們再請他來談他的專業不是談私事耶這個是在立法院有多大產生多大的一個憲政的一個爭議會議結束以後晚上偷偷摸摸的再重新再召開一次會議再把他丟出兩個公投案這個社會嘩然啊"},{"start":3251.707,"end":3270.857,"text":"重大的爭議案件 爭議事項 涉及到國會本身邀請你秘書長 邀請你議事處長 邀請你法治局局長到司法法治委員會來做列席專案報告 剛剛好而已為什麼不來 就很簡單嘛我就下個結論嘛 你說不出一個所以然嘛你連講都不敢講嘛 你連談都不敢談嘛因為你談不出一個道理嘛"},{"start":3281.584,"end":3283.565,"text":"立法院一年編了幾百億的預算我們也不是百分之百全部都放行啊那接下來凍結的部分你怎麼辦好好想想這個問題啊所有幕僚人員全部不用到立法院能讓被凍結的預算到韓國瑜吹個口哨全部都放行嗎哪有這種事"},{"start":3308.749,"end":3320.235,"text":"各委員會的一個設置辦法裡面都講得非常清楚啊你政府官員就必須要列席除非你有正當理由或者你請假除非你秘書處的秘書長你法治局局長議事處處長你認為你不是政府官員啊你如果不是政府官員的話你就不應該混進立法院來啊"},{"start":3336.84,"end":3342.721,"text":"你就不應該領人民的公帑啊如果你領了人民的公帑你就有義務接受到國會的監督啊這個不是狗吠火車啊這是整個制度啊的一個設計啊而且這是憲政的慣例而且在我們組織法裡面也訂得非常清楚而且在我們整個憲法裡面"},{"start":3368.172,"end":3385.206,"text":"訂得清清楚楚憲法六十七條第二項講的就是政府官員大法官司之四百六十一號講得也非常清楚政府官員不排除立法機關這個部分當然有它的一個適用那我們想接下來"},{"start":3387.087,"end":3399.854,"text":"因為現在收到我們提出的臨時提案依照本會的慣例通常是在上午11點處理但是因為今天列席的機關都沒有到場請問在場委員我們是不是現在來處理臨時提案好那我們來處理臨時提案全部都有印發給在場委員那我們處理臨時提案一案請宣讀"},{"start":3413.358,"end":3427.695,"text":"臨時提案一立法院秘書長周萬來議事處高百祥法治局郭明正等人未經請假程序禁制缺席司法及法治委員會未提供會議主題之書面報告文件更曲解勿用立院內規"},{"start":3428.976,"end":3445.121,"text":"立法院各委員會組織法第二條今日二度缺席再次迴避國會監督嚴重踐踏民主代呼職責藐視國會再創惡力特此提出譴責提案人委員莊瑞雄陳培瑜吳思瑤審發會王逸川宣讀完畢"},{"start":3447.306,"end":3454.572,"text":"好 謝謝 要做處理以前先修正 剛講的有點激動立法院的稅出是37億 37億再重新做一個訂正那我們現在處理臨時提案 請問我們在場委員有沒有補充說明"},{"start":3466.98,"end":3476.783,"text":"那針對臨時提案請問機關有其他意見或說明機關都不來齁那臨時提案沒有修正的話我們就召喚通過啊這兩三時今天我們幾個比較靜坐而已沒人要不要拍一張比較歷史性的啊這實在是不要來這實在是這樣我就"},{"start":3498.888,"end":3499.492,"text":"就反省了,不是說保安領庫,而是講一句"},{"start":3505.722,"end":3534.433,"text":"對你們很抱歉 我知道你們大家要遇事要把最好的準備然後發揮最好的戰力呈現給國人但是我們今天政府官員就沒有列席 沒有出席再講一次 立法院的高官也是政府官員你領了老百姓的名字名高 其實說不受監督是"},{"start":3536.946,"end":3562.999,"text":"有一點誇張啦有一點誇張啦像剛剛吳士耀委員所提出來的立法院的預算的部分那其實啊你不能以為我立法院所編的我們就不受任何監督一年呢我們的稅租就37億了就37億喔那幾十億這也是非常龐大的一筆預算那你說都不受監督這講不通啊好像他們的書店大家畫畫的就"},{"start":3564.44,"end":3577.078,"text":"那今天啊 列席官員邀請列席的官員都沒有到場啦那會也開不下去 我們本次會議啊我們就到此結束 我們現在散會 謝謝大家"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}