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請鄭天才委員好這個內政部要聽清楚因為你這個到內政部沒有很久依照行政程序法的規定法規命令要有法律的授權"},{"start":2309.147,"end":2337.544,"text":"依照行政程序法的規定現在的紀念日及節日時是辦法它是辦法它是法規命令沒有法律的授權是違法的中華民國的內政部首席部違法到現在我們每個人常常要我們所放假的規定既然都是違法的"},{"start":2339.076,"end":2363.099,"text":"怎麼可以沒有意見要積極的去溝通協調才對啊想辦法促成啊到底第三因為我們現在到第三條上次保留條到底第三條哪幾個你認為不妥還是不需要可以提出來大家來討論啊而不是說不用不用"},{"start":2364.096,"end":2392.37,"text":"你要維持這個違違反中央法規標準法違反行政程序法的法規密定行這個辦法幾十年的你看你如果90年開始實施行政程序法啊啊好不好我們要努力的去去達成嗎啊然後你的報告這麼簡單對不對你應該分析說我們提的哪些"},{"start":2393.649,"end":2403.324,"text":"哪些需要再討論需要再考量這樣才是一個負責任的我的建議是這樣"},{"start":2406.24,"end":2430.423,"text":"好 請陳昭志委員好 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非常謝謝我這邊還是要提為什麼要以法律定制呢第一個我要談的是過去民進黨的立場我們翻篇的所有的資料從101年一直到112年民進黨總共有23位的立法委員提出了11個有關紀念日跟節日的法案"},{"start":2543.169,"end":2557.565,"text":"其中立法說明非常的明確的說現行制度是違反中央法規標準法第五條凡是涉及人民權利義務者應該要以法律定之這表示什麼"},{"start":2558.366,"end":2577.62,"text":"節日法治化其實成是民進黨內部的共識那我手上有一個這個表待會大家有興趣的話可以看從101年一直到112年那裡面提案的委員還有包括我們現在的蕭副總統都有提案所以呢"},{"start":2578.42,"end":2599.117,"text":"所以我覺得現在內政部所提的這個部分是沒有辦法說服人的再來我要講的是原住民族日列為法定的紀念日就有十個版本了然後稅時計一放假的三日就有三個版本累計有十個委員總共有四十人次的連署"},{"start":2599.637,"end":2618.816,"text":"再來原住民逐日的放假的有兩個版本總共有四位委員二十六個人連署勞動節全國放假的有兩案總共有三位委員提出共三十個人連署所以以上我們看到民進黨佔有非常多的立委其實也同意要"},{"start":2620.031,"end":2638.726,"text":"用法律把我們所謂的紀念日和節日讓它用法律來訂定那麼我再說一下我的立場我非常遺憾的就是當年主張法制化的委員今天卻選擇沉默甚至撤案"},{"start":2639.827,"end":2657.013,"text":"然後行政機關是用法規命令較有彈性為迴避我們的立法但是實際上之前曾經被承諾的假日到現在根本就沒有落實所以我認為不可以再讓原住民和勞工的權益被執政黨還有行政機關是任意擺佈"},{"start":2661.274,"end":2679.214,"text":"明確的立法才能夠真正保障文化權利跟休假的正義那我今天呢也有提出一個在鄉鎮動議的版本我把原住民族轉型正義紀念日就是10月31號把它拿掉然後呢對於原住民的紀念日和名稱的日期呢有兩個"},{"start":2680.575,"end":2694.992,"text":"第一個呢就是原住民族抵抗日是6月26號第二個是原住民族日是8月1號以上呢我的那個在修正動議的版本也已經發到各位的手上了以上謝謝好謝謝高經緯還有人意見嗎"},{"start":2743.164,"end":2743.184,"text":"嗯"},{"start":2749.305,"end":2775.157,"text":"來我跟委員會報告一下現在這一題的狀況是這樣因為上次委員會的時候其實很多人都有提出哪一些東西要放在紀念日裡面所以就會造成版本非常多那現在大家手上這一本協商會議的參考資料裡面有不同的版本其中最左邊這一欄是上一次委員會就所有有提的都暫時放入這是一種版本那另外還有各個委員民眾黨黨團高清素美委員等等提案的原始版本跟修正動議我的意見是這樣就是說如果今天大家能夠坐下來"},{"start":2775.897,"end":2803.466,"text":"大家把這個日子都確定下來大家彼此要稍微各退一步嘛因為像民進黨提了五六個對不對剛剛之前高金委員本來提兩個嘛今天拿掉一個變成提一個本來是三個剩兩個嘛我是覺得各個有提案的委員或各個政黨的單位比如說按從最原始的辦法升級成條例的時候比如說每一組代表比如說多提兩個大家至少比較平均也比較公平這是一種解法"},{"start":2803.806,"end":2831.183,"text":"那如果我們今天可以把這個東西精簡出來就變成一個版本那這條我們就有順利辦法在這個協商的平台達成共識這是第一種劇本第二個如果大家依然爭論不休那大概也沒什麼好討論的啦也沒什麼好就是變得沒有共識嘛我先請問一下民進黨黨團的意見好不好因為至少現在國民黨民眾黨跟高進委員版本現在是比較靠近的要整合的速度是比較快的跟本來原始條件就只差一兩個節日而已那請問民進黨黨團現在針對這樣有沒有什麼想法"},{"start":2837.229,"end":2865.355,"text":"確定不努力一下嗎所以明確基本上就是因為部會不贊成所以你們也不贊成是這樣意思嗎不是這樣子啦這個大家分歧很大對不對好沒關係協商本來就是盡量解決嘛所以這條沒有共識喔真是太遺憾了再來第四條哪一些紀念日要放假"},{"start":2867.205,"end":2869.611,"text":"簡單來說,哪一些紀念日要放假?請問各黨團的意見來,請問議政委員"},{"start":2877.305,"end":2900.026,"text":"謝謝主席我們黨團的版本還有我就堅持說我們12月希望大家就是給我們設定就是國定假日移民日所以因為我們第一個的精神就是多元文化還有就是說包容還有族群的融合所以我們是多種語言"},{"start":2901.647,"end":2919.808,"text":"多元文化的共識和社會所以覺得就是要為新住民在台灣就是有這個放假日不只是一個就是紀念日更是一種宣示台灣是包容多元的社會所以我們希望說我們12月18號"},{"start":2922.891,"end":2949.439,"text":"是让大家来认识新住民移民日的精神还有各国的文化也让我们了解说我们台湾的友善所以希望说我们也认同新住民对台湾的贡献所以希望大家就是达成共识也支持说我们的12月18日是我们可以全国"},{"start":2951.38,"end":2953.563,"text":"互助還有包容多元的一個時間跟日子希望這個就可以支持我們的12月18號全國放假以上謝謝"},{"start":2964.321,"end":2984.546,"text":"好 謝謝 還有哪位委員有意見嗎高靜委員 抱歉 待會陳培議員好不好對不起 那我的修正動物的第四條我本來是一樣原住民轉型紀念正義日也是有那麼我現在有放 我把它拿掉了那麼現在原住民只剩兩個一個就是原住民族抵抗日跟原住民族日"},{"start":2985.126,"end":2998.936,"text":"那麼我在這邊還是跟這個莊委說一下你們第四條就是在修正動員版本那個部分有把台灣光復祭金門古泥頭大節紀念日放進去我們看到那個修正動員版本"},{"start":3000.117,"end":3027.165,"text":"如果這個在修正動議版本大家同意的話那麼我是堅持就是原住民族抵抗日我一定要放進去這是對原住民族來講是一個非常重要的一個日子也就是6月26號這一天對台灣的原住民族來講這是我們這塊土地上很重要的一個日子所以我堅持就是要把原住民族抵抗日放在裡面"},{"start":3027.865,"end":3054.711,"text":"以上 大家待會可以討論一下 謝謝好 請陳佩玉委員好 謝謝主席主席 我再跟您確認喔我現在手上的版本有這個高金委員的修正動議這個單張版然後還有這個委員會發的這個黃色紙的版本但是如果我們要按照高金委員的修正動議來討論那基本上剛剛民眾黨團的提案裡面就沒有含到在高金委員的版本裡面就沒有這個意義嗎"},{"start":3056.151,"end":3082.244,"text":"對那如果看對對我知道那如果我們其實看起來還是有這麼多的歧義我就是還是認為應該要保留而且基本上4跟3是連動的啦所以我認為如果3保留那是不是4就一併保留謝謝好謝謝陳菲議員我說明一下第一個是民眾黨脈力爭委員提的因為我們上次在委員會討論的時候這個移民日是放在節日啦所以說他會在節日裡面那移民日要不要放假應該是在哪幾個節日要放假那個是第第六條"},{"start":3083.064,"end":3108.605,"text":"第六條裡面 第六條的時候我們再來做討論那高進委員剛剛的意思應該是說在紀念日的時候原住民族抵抗日一定要納入啦一定要納入 那放假的部分看看有沒有堅持因為如果民眾黨委員這邊 民進黨現在是確定沒有共識嘛那民眾黨委員這邊跟高進委員這邊如果針對放假看看能不能按照本來國民黨黨團的提案版本我們這邊先做一個整合"},{"start":3109.326,"end":3122.833,"text":"因為我的意思是說我們之前在討論的時候也很清楚說這一次修法針對原住民族的放假它的重點其實是放在歲時記憶的假日的增加那我覺得這一點我們我覺得大部分人都會支持所以說在假日的部分我們能不能稍微收束一下意見"},{"start":3123.917,"end":3145.866,"text":"可是在假日裡面對原住民族來講那個紀念日是不一樣的我還是要講一下原住民抵抗日的由來啦給我一點時間大家都聽一下就是原住民抵抗日是我們來看到原住民從1895年開始的殖民統治台灣對原住民族來講那同年的10月31號他是更以"},{"start":3146.426,"end":3164.312,"text":"更以翻地無阻地為由強行沒收了原住民世代傳承的土地因此我們的族人就失去了家園被迫離開祖靈的土地淪為社會邊緣人更令人痛心的是這套殖民體制在戰後不僅僅沒有終止反而被國民政府接續沿用"},{"start":3164.972,"end":3192.521,"text":"而原住民族持續就遭到壓迫跟剝奪在歷史上原住民族是從來沒有被沉默的反抗的火焰也沒有熄滅過我們從牡丹社事件大港孔事件嘉里丸事件南莊事件大報社事件大科坎事件李棟山事件七角川事件太魯閣事件大分事件等等我們每一次的反抗都是我們的族人用生命對抗"},{"start":3193.041,"end":3218.486,"text":"殖民政府說不的見證那麼其中1914年的太魯閣事件是特別重要的那族人在6月26號重創了總督佐久堅佐馬泰然後重挫了殖民統治的信心這也象徵了原住民族捍衛家園跟尊嚴的勝利的時刻這不僅僅是一場戰役更是原住民族反殖民意志的集體記憶"},{"start":3220.146,"end":3244.272,"text":"因此我們就主張每年的6月26號定為原住民族的抵抗日這不僅僅只是紀念一場戰爭更是讓全國人民能夠正視這一段歷史記住日本曾經殖民台灣壓迫原住民族不僅僅壓迫原住民族也害民族也壓迫然後也記住反殖民也殖民的重要性那麼殖民這段時間應該稱為日據而非日"},{"start":3247.493,"end":3265.112,"text":"因為現在我們連教科書上面都寫日誌我認為這是不對的因為這是殖民跟被殖民的一個思考看你是要站在哪個角度上來原住民主抵抗日讓我們共同記住的是這個土地曾經有人用血跟生命"},{"start":3265.512,"end":3288.274,"text":"守護他那一份對自由跟尊嚴的捍衛是我們共同的歷史是不可以抹去的記憶這不僅僅只是原住民族的歷史更是全體台灣人民應該共同記得的一天所以呢我認為在第四條這邊這個紀念日要放假我認為他不僅僅是放假而已他是要讓全國的"},{"start":3292.416,"end":3310.121,"text":"這個 呃 這個 人民能夠記住這一天所以我是非常堅持必須在第四條裡面放入這個原住民族的抵抗日以上 謝謝所以就希望這一天變成國定假日嘛 對不對好 那高經委員堅持嘛 對不對好 鄭先生 委員請這個原住民族日可以不放假"},{"start":3320.646,"end":3347.559,"text":"但是這個原住民主抵抗日如果相較於這個現行的條文現行的辦法二八事件和平紀念日一個事件放假我們都支持那原住民主的抵抗日剛高津樹沒講了很多十幾個"},{"start":3349.896,"end":3350.098,"text":"十幾個事件"},{"start":3352.984,"end":3381.133,"text":"我們為了保護臺灣保護保護我們的部落有十幾個事件所以如果我們現在又加了這個古寧陀大大節紀念日光復光復節然後這個和平紀念日原來就有的這個部分鄉行之下會更需要了啊那個那個原住民主日可以不用放假了啊是這樣以上謝謝"},{"start":3385.307,"end":3394.962,"text":"好 所以我們高進委員 鄭天才委員原住民委員的意見大概就是說 抵抗日要放假啦好 這是比較堅守民眾黨黨團針對假日你們是只有堅持移民日對不對"},{"start":3398.701,"end":3425.968,"text":"對我知道移民是在第六條好那我們就第六條的時候再來講好吧那看起來這一條也沒有共識好不好就繼續保留我們往下一條走下一條比較有機會啦這個第五條是節日啦節日的時候在委員會討論的時候其實算相對順利一點的請大家參照這一本的最這個委員會的初步審查結果啦最左邊這一欄第六頁開始然後一路往下看"},{"start":3428.21,"end":3447.782,"text":"這個應該比較沒有爭議啦上次我們討論就是那個佛陀誕辰紀念日嘛應該比較像節日嘛而不是紀念日所以把它移過來這裡嘛對不對然後還有大家提案有略為增加還有民眾黨比較在乎的這個12月18的移民日好都會把它放進來那節日的部分我們有沒有機會至少在今天達成有一條的公式請問大家意見好沒關係可以看一下沒問題"},{"start":3462.258,"end":3474.581,"text":"就紀念日OK嗎對啊我們是每一件就讓大家紀念日對啊放進來紀念日應該是沒有很大的問題每一個族群或每一個宗教他尊重啊他們會去辦慶典就紀念節"},{"start":3495.857,"end":3505.705,"text":"好 沒意見就OK吧好 我先問國民黨黨人這邊沒有意見民眾黨黨人這裡沒有意見好那我們再等一下沒有關係反正協商大家充分表達我們都尊重"},{"start":3522.598,"end":3543.515,"text":"對 最左邊 就是初步審查版本啦因為我覺得大家沒有意見 這條就沒有啦 你前面保留 因為大家意見不同就是保留這幾條繼續往下送啊到下一階段的協商來處理嘛好 但是我們當然希望可以盡量的達成共識讓後面的速度加快嘛所以這一條比較沒有爭議的 希望大家可以通過啦問一下 沒關係啦"},{"start":3553.598,"end":3578.909,"text":"沒有堅持啊後來沒堅持啊對啊對啊沒有堅持啊都可以啊都可以我們覺得做紀念是沒差但是他們他來反對為什麼反對為什麼反對為什麼他們就是說什麼宗教什麼宗教都放進來紀念"},{"start":3583.501,"end":3600.34,"text":"主席雖然我不是內政委員會的委員可是如果我們把這一條攤開來看他其實會掛一漏萬例如說光是醫事人員好了我們現在有護理師跟國際醫師可是在台灣的相關法規範當中醫事人員其實不是只有這兩類"},{"start":3601.741,"end":3628.02,"text":"還有一堆的醫事人員包含我們所熟悉的語言治療師啊藥師啊 驗光師這些也都是醫事人員那我只是舉其中一個例子並不是說我要爭取這些事情而是這個版本我認為還是要保留是因為它真的有掛一漏萬的問題啦那如果我們把更多職業類別都含括進去然後把各式各樣的宗教傾向所在意的日子也都放進去那基本上現在這個條文其實是不合格的啦好 謝謝"},{"start":3630.565,"end":3654.935,"text":"好 謝謝陳培宇委員其實針對所謂的掛一漏萬其實之前兩次在委員會內部的審查的時候大家已經盡量來做討論其實不外乎就是盡量的尋求共識因為這一款的最後一點29點也有講其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之日所以其實也沒有漏萬的問題其實該可以都可以民進黨黨團確定至少在今天達成一兩條的共識嗎你們還是堅持要保留嗎"},{"start":3658.886,"end":3684.611,"text":"好 張宏祿稍微辛苦了 無奈地點了頭啊好 那我們 這是第五條嘛對不對第五條一樣保留來 第六條是談節日的放假好 哪幾些節日應該放假這我想這個國民黨的版本其實我們在委員會審查的時候已經講得非常清楚啦該講的也都講得差不多了那現在開放大家有沒有其他補充或者是要新增等等的 有沒有意見"},{"start":3691.849,"end":3713.924,"text":"民眾黨我再幫民眾黨補充一下因為剛剛前面講就是講我們的移民日是放在節日裡面嘛那民眾黨現在是堅持移民日也要放假嘛對不對所以會出現一點點小的分歧是嗎你們今天也是堅持嗎好堅持好那我們就保留吧怎麼辦呢所以我剛才講嘛唯一有機會就是第五條"},{"start":3716.445,"end":3740.501,"text":"堅持要主席要幫我們把12月18號放進來這我們當然到最後就是協商處理嘛但是我提醒一下大家啦因為如果這個東西最後大家沒有共識就難免要表決啦所以還是跟各黨黨團的成員報告一下就是說盡量讓版本能夠做充分的整合來增加議事的效率好不好我們今天開這個的目的其實也是這樣那既然大家都很堅持我們就不要浪費太多時間好"},{"start":3742.878,"end":3760.214,"text":"第七條這條也蠻有機會的啊我們來看一下初步審查修正條文大家有沒有意見這就到底要不要掛國旗啦那之前有講說有些要降半旗的跟掛國旗有沒有衝突後來我們查了一下其實在上次委員會審查的時候也確定不會有衝突啦所以這條大家還有問題或意見嗎對啊"},{"start":3771.684,"end":3774.986,"text":"好 民眾黨沒有意見 高慶維沒有意見 國民黨黨團沒有意見嗎好 請民進黨黨團表達意見請上路委員好"},{"start":3800.123,"end":3820.814,"text":"其實就條文本身的內容我覺得是沒有特別的有問題但它的一開始的紀念日各機關學校應選掛國旗我們現在紀念日都還沒還沒有還保留這點大家可能要思考一下"},{"start":3825.12,"end":3842.987,"text":"所以你現在紀念日的部分因為其實相對來講大家貨有小的落差啦但是現在就看民進黨這邊有沒有要提紀念日的版本嘛然後你才會影響會不會需要懸掛國旗嘛以目前國民黨民眾黨跟原住民委員的版本都沒有衝突啦那我們是不是要不要再討論一下還是你們也要堅持保留"},{"start":3845.437,"end":3873.625,"text":"我的意思是說你前面的紀念日什麼什麼那些都保留了那你紀念日的那個還沒有的話你這樣子我覺得反正沒差啦保留因為第七條的條文並沒有這個紀念日並沒有把前面的條文的紀念日全部列進去沒有啦我們只是部分部分特別需要"},{"start":3874.352,"end":3896.71,"text":"啊認為需要去這個呃閒掛國企的部分啊把他這個列舉進去啊這個還是說認為這個有沒有列的若除非說沒有落啊落列了什麼或是或是這個哪一個不要啊除非是這樣啊就不然我是建議是不是能夠啊照這個來啊以上"},{"start":3898.789,"end":3927.984,"text":"好請那個陳昭志委員主席我覺得這題沒有問題啊因為我們第四項第四款裡面其他紀念日得一期性質舉行紀念活動就算我們紀念日最後最後不知道會變成有哪幾天那這裡已經有一條這樣的單書啦那這條沒有理由不同意啊不管最後是幾天啊總算有一條有共識的吧我還蠻認同這樣的說法好謝謝主席請廖偉強委員然後陳培育委員"},{"start":3929.543,"end":3953.926,"text":"對 我也認同喔除非是上面列到的什麼中華民國開國紀念日啊孔子丹城紀念日跟國慶日舉行紀念活動還有這個革命先烈紀念日舉行春季國殤喔如果這幾個大家是不想要有意見是不要它掛國旗的話我覺得這個才才要討論保留嘛那因為第三點就有這樣子寫了所以我是覺得這應該就應該就可以讓它過去了謝謝"},{"start":3955.647,"end":3978.587,"text":"好 請陳佩玉委員好 謝謝主席我想我覺得是每一個人對這個法條條文見解的不同如果按照這個寫法現在只寫了三個是表定的就是在這個法條裡面寫法是一定要掛國旗的可是如果我們不把前面的通盤考慮拿到後面一併來看那是不是到時候也要爭取其他的紀念要掛國旗的到時候是不是一併也要討論那既然都還沒有共識是不是就保留 謝謝"},{"start":3979.571,"end":4001.131,"text":"沒有啦這一點我跟培育委員說明一下因為他前面開宗明明寫紀念日各機關應懸掛國旗啦所以所有在上面通過的紀念日都要掛啦那這件事情其實在上次委員會討論的時候其實大家也都覺得既然都是有重大歷史意義的紀念日這本來就應該掛國旗啦所以我是覺得這兩件事情其實沒有直接的關聯啦我再問最後一次民進黨黨團確定要保留嗎請張國柱委員"},{"start":4007.219,"end":4032.692,"text":"我覺得掛國旗這個大家都沒有意見我們不用再講掛國旗的事情啦我剛講的是說紀念日我們都還沒有討論清楚所以我的意思是說如果大家要討論哪些唯一會出現這樣的狀況就是有一些紀念日紀念了然後不應該掛國旗的在場有人可以舉出這樣子的例子嗎然後他有沒有被正式提出各個版本裡面嘛"},{"start":4035.711,"end":4048.256,"text":"他不管有沒有確定其實都屬於紀念日的範圍只是幾天而已嘛對不對好"},{"start":4049.316,"end":4074.226,"text":"請陳珮媛基本上要不要保留當然是主席的權利那只是說民進黨團這邊都已經有提供出不同的看法跟見解那是不是我們還是希望可以保留因為既然沒有共識嘛既然還是在委員會協商階段嘛那大家都經歷過委員會協商當有旗艦就是保留我沒有權利直接裁啦黨團協商就是要大家簽字才算數嘛所以如果民進黨堅持的話那我們這一條就保留謝謝最後一條對不對"},{"start":4076.095,"end":4097.191,"text":"十三條 上路的時間 請問大家有意見嗎我們當然希望三讀了就上路啊目前在野黨的統一意見應該是這樣對不對最後一條 十三條十三條我們現在是希望用國民黨黨團提的修正動議本條立志公佈實行 最右邊"},{"start":4102.529,"end":4118.949,"text":"請陳佩玉委員好謝謝主席我可不可以請部會說明一下這個上路的時間他們會不會假設我們到時候真的被用粗暴的表決方法強行通過三讀之後強行通過三讀之後他們再立刻實施這件事情有沒有什麼困難好請內政部吳唐安次長"},{"start":4125.717,"end":4145.065,"text":"施行日期的部分在法例裡面如果要往前溯及的話當然是可以因為我們全國的作息都是在固定在隔年的1月1號施行也就是下一年度開始之後所有的紀念或節日的話統一是這樣來做處理"},{"start":4146.405,"end":4167.84,"text":"那當然如果說我們會建議還是希望維持譬如現在今天是4月30號我舉例那接下來是5月1號那是不是從5月1號就要開始施行例如說有勞動節的部分那所以說我們依照體力的話也是配合行政院人事總署我們都是在前一年公佈下一年度的政府機關上班日的日曆表"},{"start":4168.36,"end":4193.565,"text":"那那個把它做統一之後 其實這樣會比較有穩定性這是個人的一個意見 謝謝好 謝謝吳唐安次長的說明這個不太可能5月1號啦雖然很多廣大的關心這次法案修法人都希望可以趕快上路但是因為協商冷凍期嘛所以無論如何5月1號之前是不可能刪讀的啦但是就是這樣子就已經少一天了 對不對所以我們才希望可以公佈日之後趕快施行啦好 請鄭天才委員"},{"start":4198.843,"end":4222.795,"text":"我們今天訂的這個是新的法例新的法例我們如果參考紀念日及節日實施辦法第一次的發佈實施日及就是發佈日施行發佈日施行所以這個部分這個其實不是問題"},{"start":4224.424,"end":4253.343,"text":"本辦法自發佈日實行它也不是1月1號實行發佈啊也不是12月31號發佈的所以這個不是問題以上好 謝謝我們鄭天才委員的補充從法理的角度當然是可以的啦當然就是執行上面當然會給行政機關造成一點點多一點點的工作負擔但我希望大家好好權衡一下這件事情嘛大家今天去提節日與今天日實施條例其實核心的目標是要降低台灣老公的工時要多幾天的國定假日"},{"start":4253.883,"end":4272.228,"text":"在這個可以創造出來降低國定夏日的效益跟相對付出的行政成本之間我們認為這是這個立刻上路我認為是很有正當性來請廖偉強委員對我也表達認同我覺得應該是要盡快的讓它修過上路因為簡單來講我們在未還委員會也常常在檢討我們勞工今年已經到達2035個小時"},{"start":4275.309,"end":4294.137,"text":"是亞洲第二高是非常嚴重的問題所以我想所有的勞工都希望或是我們國人都希望這可以通過之後儘速實施所以依照我的角度來講我當然也是希望這個主張未來的方向當然應該是朝擴增休假合力補假尊重"},{"start":4294.757,"end":4308.428,"text":"族群文化假日的需求邁進但是同時我也是希望說儘快能夠落實增加假日所以我也支持最終我們本黨團的這個共識的版本希望可以儘速通過之後就可以實施 謝謝好 民進黨黨團最後還有補充什麼嗎因為我覺得還蠻清楚的"},{"start":4315.834,"end":4333.911,"text":"就希望尊重行政機關所以希望保留好不好好很遺憾我們今天經過了一輪的討論其實我要跟我一定要再次在這個地方跟大家報告就這一次的審查我們開過公聽會做過詢答針對題目的內容做過完整的大體討論然後還經過兩次的主調協商其實"},{"start":4337.214,"end":4355.747,"text":"認真講大家都盡力了今天是第一次的朝野黨團協商那接下來我們就送院長協商但是這個並沒有很粗暴啦我們都盡量讓大家發表意見也盡量試著要達成共識我相信大家都看在眼裡好我們現在還有一個附帶決議高金素梅委員所提的附帶決議大家桌上有嗎我們請宣讀一下"},{"start":4362.119,"end":4380.067,"text":"纪念日与节日的放假规范攸关人民日常生活工商运作及政府机关服务一中央法规标准法第五条属关系人民权利义务者应以法律定制的事项显示其法治化的重要性目前相关权益义务以明文入法各主管机关也应配合立法制定完善的配套措施"},{"start":4380.487,"end":4410.127,"text":"因此行政院人事行政总处自本法实行后于政府机关行事例中注明各项法定纪念日与节日让公务运作及民众生活有所依循另请国防部劳动部及原住民族委员会等相关权责机关熟悉并尊重原住民族碎石记忆的法定规范并向所属员工及国人清楚说明相关权益并纳入请休假的标准作业流程内确保族人在文化与制度上皆获得实质保障提案人委员高金素美等三人宣布完毕"},{"start":4411.867,"end":4439.195,"text":"好請問這樣子的附帶決議大家有意見嗎可以請陳佩玉委員因為如果我們剛這麼多條文都保留那這個在內政委員會的慣例是不是也都是一併保留還是說內政委員會比較特別的慣例是對因為條文沒有都沒有通過啊所以要怎麼附帶決議通常附帶決議是結合相關通過大家都沒有意義要送出去的條文嘛對不對"},{"start":4440.936,"end":4448.555,"text":"高菁委員我們就病童一起處理吧病童一起處理如果提案委員認為病童一起處理那我們就病童一起就保留可以嗎好 謝謝好"},{"start":4450.72,"end":4476.758,"text":"現在宣讀協商結論第一保留條文第三條第四條第五條第六條第七條第十三條以及要送院長召集協商第二保留附帶決議一項我們一樣是送院長協商第三其餘均照審查會審查結果通過第四條號及條文中引述之條號授權議事人員整理請問今天協商結論大家有問題嗎沒有那我們今天反正也沒共識也不用簽字嘛對不對"},{"start":4477.711,"end":4479.173,"text":"好 那我們就交院長協商來做處理好 謝謝 散會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}