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因為我也問了很多的學校特別是中小學那他們告訴我說很難因為要營養就不好吃要好吃就不營養但是我也問到一些學校它的廚餘量很少的所以我們現在會把好的案例讓大家都知道"},{"start":382.981,"end":409.601,"text":"如果說因為這個事情發生其實在10月11月的時候我都有打電話給政部長請教育部預作準備我們未來也會跟教育部來討論說如何解決這個問題因為廚餘在台例如說以我上禮拜去桃園桃園一天的團扇就40噸全國大概300噸這個量實在太大所以我就提醒教育部一定要來解決這個問題不然的話他以後就要編經費去處理廚餘的問題"},{"start":412.283,"end":424.174,"text":"部長 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我覺得真的是很頭痛的事情再就是說廚餘處理的價格會往上提那可能第一個會壓縮到整個營養午餐的這個費用"},{"start":565.966,"end":592.022,"text":"因为目前也跟委员报告目前厨余的这个处理大概是一顿大概可能是三千块到五千块左右有的便宜一点如果我们未来如果各种的新的方式可以起来的话希望可以往下降但是也因为有这样的这个价格存在也让我们这个所谓的厨余的处理的业者会越来越多所以我们是这样在看这个问题但是我必须说大家一开始现在这个时间要转型期间有一点不能适应"},{"start":592.602,"end":616.974,"text":"那部長再來就是說我們廚餘怎麼讓它變成有價值的就是剛剛委員有提到就是說把它轉成飼料我覺得這個也是一個方式啦另外就是說我們之前在委員會的時候我有帶各位去看這個黑水盲那彰化目前碰到一個問題就是黑水盲這個處理的地方很臭所以"},{"start":617.774,"end":643.77,"text":"民眾抗議連續在上禮拜跟上上禮拜就附近的居民就抗議其中就包括我們上一次委員會有去看的其中一場就是這個狀況所以我覺得說未來如果用黑水盲來處理廚餘的話尤其是現在可能原本處理這個廚餘的量沒有那麼多那現在可能就因為禁止養豬了所以他們處理的量更多那這個中間可能"},{"start":644.511,"end":659.288,"text":"沒有處理好臭味就亂飄肆意所以變成說住在附近的居民就受不了然後連續有兩場就是在黑水盲的這個場連續有兩場一場在河美地區一場在鹿港"},{"start":660.309,"end":688.848,"text":"就是鹿港和美那个地方然后另外一场在北斗那边所以就是民众抗议所以我觉得说针对这一部分我们也希望未来就是说不论是做成堆肥或做成饲料或者是用黑水芒来处理厨余我觉得一方面就是不要再造成环境的二度伤害那也不要让民众觉得说这个就是一个闲物设施那我就不希望它就设在我家旁边我觉得这部分应该我们应该也要好好再去"},{"start":690.109,"end":708.565,"text":"輔導一下我們原本覺得說這個是處理廚餘很好的一個方式可是你在前端廚餘回收回來之後這個還是會有發酵會收水的那個味道所以如果前面沒有處理好的話會造成居民 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