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部長今天我主要在思考的是老人農民福利津貼這個議題時我認為保障農民生活是要讓農民有尊嚴工作有前景藉此我很希望我們的青年願意投入我想你也是一樣會期待青年投入那這不是福利加碼這是我們守住糧食安全的最基本也是最根本的基礎之一"},{"start":68.32,"end":93.041,"text":"那部長 糧食要安全就要有足夠的人才那有青年願意投入農業我的本業是社工所以長期關注青少年的職癌輔導這會期也在和勞動部一起改善青少年的職癌跟就業我知道有很多青年返鄉勿農的成功案例但我要跟第一線的社工說農業是可被推薦的人生的一個選項我們得先把現實輪廓釐清所以想來跟部長請益"},{"start":95.903,"end":118.63,"text":"首先農業部說青年農民經營準備金是給新進農民18歲就能申請18到24歲而且還特別規劃相關科系成績優異的畢業生可能有價高的準備金支持那就請問部長18到24歲實際申請的比例高不高"},{"start":119.448,"end":138.563,"text":"我基本上大概是如果說現在有資格的大概是900多人然後現在申請大概300多人大概三分之一吧 將近四成那你們有沒有統計跟背景分析依據申請的規則這個年紀要申請計劃的話就必須具備農業經營場域還有符合產業條件部長對於剛畢業的青少年來講這個實務上難不難我覺得"},{"start":149.232,"end":177.346,"text":"要有自己有地比較困難但是用租地的方式是一個可行的因為我們的從農準備金一年一個月給他是3萬可是部長這要有經營場域就是說你要有農業經營場域對 你可以租地但是擁有地是比較困難的是 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再麻煩農業部再給我們資料部長農業部自己做統計農業所得平均每戶不到30萬元我想請教的更直接一點30歲以下的青農的收入部內有沒有更細緻的收入統計因為他們要成家立業未來還要養小孩部長你掌握數據你覺得這樣夠不夠就是他們有多少然後你覺得這樣子夠不夠"},{"start":362.002,"end":388.01,"text":"我想委員你剛才問的那個家戶所得的部分特別是青農的部分這個部分我現在手中沒資料但是我們基本上在歷次的統計我們有分大專業農還有一些一般的農家的部分那大專業農我如果沒有記錯的話他的年所得已經超過200萬以上專業農戶的話更高但是您要的18到24歲這個族群那可不可以容我後續如果了解以後再提供給委員"},{"start":389.15,"end":414.611,"text":"部長再麻煩因為如果好的政策我真的覺得要讓我們社福領域的社工在輔導的時候更知道農業也是一種選項讓他們找到他們想要追求的目標再來根據報導部長也說過退儲金的覆蓋率比較低的是青年的農民你們掌握的狀況是青年農民面臨收入不穩農業設施跟機具的投入要貸款"},{"start":415.592,"end":442.695,"text":"20多歲到35歲之間只有24%我想請部長解讀一下媒體引述這句話不知道到底是什麼意思青年農民不在乎最後是否能多領一點他比較在乎的是是否能掃腳一點這句話的意思是什麼這是不是正反應青農的困境青農不是不想存退休而是現在根本就是快撐不住這樣的理解正確嗎"},{"start":444.121,"end":461.831,"text":"這句話應該是我講的基本上我們也實際問個跟青年座談的部分因為退休除菌要到65歲領以青年來講可能30年以後的事情那30年以後能領多少他們在乎的會是現在是不是能夠"},{"start":462.972,"end":478.644,"text":"依他們現在的所得能夠繼續生存下去然後他們現在目前因為我剛才說的他們的貸款因為他們從事農業需要一些貸款那這個貸款的金額我如果沒有記錯的話可能大概是3000多塊左右一個月"},{"start":479.144,"end":499.596,"text":"一個月3000多塊那有的是借了少2000多塊怎樣所以他們要付貸款然後相對的他們吃住不要講了以後如果說再付這樣子的一個退休儲金的話因為他們要繳都希望繳到滿繳到10%繳1%沒意義所以他們覺得說那是不是可以少繳一點政府多出一點所以我們才會設計這個4比6的制度"},{"start":502.157,"end":522.239,"text":"那部長從你們數據上來看2018到2025的那個青農的人口一路攀升這一路攀升的青年人口裡面大概幾歲是投入的高峰因為我覺得要有數據才能掌握到未來你的政策裡面能夠做什麼回應部長你認為為什麼會集中到這個年齡段也就是哪一個年齡段是比較"},{"start":522.879,"end":551.774,"text":"我如果没有记错了我们讲实际从龙走大概48.5万那45岁以下大概11万左右45岁到55岁也大概10万多大概这几个都是比较高峰的都是比较高峰的然后55岁以上都是已经很成熟有经验的农民嘛所以我们的重点就是放在45岁以下但是我们有一个政策我们发现说过完我们支持的青龙他就超过45岁了"},{"start":552.774,"end":563.54,"text":"所以我們現在把我們的所有的政策往上延伸到壯隆就是到55歲我們希望說到55歲以下的這個東西都是受到我們能夠政策可以鼓勵跟支持的"},{"start":563.956,"end":584.215,"text":"那想問一下你們114年後還會持續做個案輔導嗎包含技術啊 通路啊 行銷啊 財務啊那我就想問說你們有沒有做過後續追蹤然後離開的人原因是什麼然後甚至最常見的卡關的因素是什麼因為要知道問題我們以後才能夠去做一些突破"},{"start":585.083,"end":599.182,"text":"好 謝謝委員的提問我覺得農民的一個再教育的系統我們有一個農民學院從初級班到中級班到高級班然後特別是現在目前我們發現農業缺乏的是一個CEO"},{"start":601.565,"end":617.423,"text":"就是他有經驗了以後他想要擴大經營的時候他的管理能力不足所以我們在農業的這種高級班的部分我們就投入更多的跨領域的資源來協助他來陪伴他這個部分我想我們農業部門做的一定遠比其他部門還多"},{"start":618.804,"end":647.521,"text":"部长再麻烦你前面的资料到时候再提供给我可是我想今天听你说明我理解台湾农业挑战非常的多也有很多发展的好的机会那最后我想用一个比较具体的情境请你回答如果你今天跟我一样是在做青少年职爱辅导的一个社工或是一个长辈你要去跟高中生或刚大学毕业的年轻人说农业是值得当你的职爱选择的时候你会讲哪三个理由请部长尽量以我们青少年听得懂的话来说"},{"start":648.501,"end":673.156,"text":"我想我如果鼓勵我們的青少年從農的部分我覺得要去強化他的一個使命我覺得最重要的啦那相對的他進來的時候他是有很好的被照顧到所以他未來的農民的福利制度因為我想任何一個人進到職場他會對於他的整個的後續的生涯規劃的一個福利制度我會強調我們"},{"start":674.617,"end":702.125,"text":"三保一新的福利制度是讓農民是有尊嚴的一個產業第二個部分我會讓他們了解說農業的經營不是單打獨鬥農業的經營是一個集團合作的一個趨勢我不會讓你一個人獨自奮鬥我們有很好的相關的支持系統讓你繼續從事這個農業在從事等於說從農的最後一路由我們來陪伴用這種方式來鼓勵他們"},{"start":702.685,"end":727.336,"text":"好謝謝部長也謝謝部長剛剛的回應未來我去跟青少年福福團體跟社工分享的時候也會把你剛才講的帶上可以讓更多孩子們認識這樣的一個行業投入這個行業不過我也要提醒的是像國防部常常會進到學校也會到社福機構做攬柴說明那我也知道農業部有在做那我建議部長是不是也可以積極跟學校跟社福團體合作"},{"start":727.977,"end":736.3,"text":"會 我們絕對會我們還有開公費專班好 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝不好意思 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