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又卡到這一關欸怎麼一回事我們最近因為那個345億重新分配以後它的財力它的財力局域又做變更所以我們最近又再簽一次給院長是因為財化法第一次修法的版本的調整嗎"},{"start":505.714,"end":529.569,"text":"调整之后第二次又345亿又重新分配的第二次不附属啦那个是另外一个是第三次对它有好几次的一个修正那你这个财务分级表也会影响到整个未来这个整个中央相关部会因为你这个分级表来做一个资源的配置也会影响到那你这个什么时候出来啊"},{"start":530.369,"end":558.629,"text":"不是那第一個縣市的一個財力分級我們會先簽辦出來那第二個就是簽辦出來之後就會給部會去讓他去做什麼時候出來我問你就是分級表我們已經簽給院長了已經簽給院長了是麻煩跟院長再講一下不然各部會無所適從新興的不行延續性的不行全部都卡在那邊這天災不斷有一些修復成本只會越來越高不會越來越少那個主席長請回最後再請教一家交通部交通部"},{"start":561.314,"end":561.696,"text":"相關部次長來 請吳次長"},{"start":573.201,"end":595.61,"text":"五次那個台南市有相當多的一些新興的軌道計畫當中除了鐵路地下化我先一個一個問好鐵路地下化會不會受到影響預算鐵路地下化它是原系性的就比較不會影響那個南線的部分還是不能超過三個年度的就不能超過之前的一個平均那個南線的部分呢"},{"start":596.415,"end":613.172,"text":"他是欣欣欣欣就很困難沒有辦法就沒有辦法 完全動不了譬如台南市政府要動的話台南市政府要自己想辦法中央的錢沒有辦法到位沒有辦法到位那你最近一個最新的微笑南灣計畫呢微笑南灣也沒辦法因為是屬於欣欣的"},{"start":614.435,"end":632.949,"text":"韋孝南彎也沒辦法那能不能先行規劃有沒有可能規劃當然計劃會有沒有可能現在就是剛剛講的因為他總共的經費他在這一次審議他完全沒辦法下來的話我就沒辦法動連計劃會都不行對 沒辦法那只有政策的決定但是完全沒有辦法執行對好 謝謝好 謝謝郭委員接下來我們請中央嘉賓委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}