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價高的得一個是越低越好有兩個不同的機制那過往其實這個議題在台美雙邊的諮商的時候都一直談過然後我們也讓他們充分了解我們的定價的一個機制所以在這個部分大概沒有什麼特別問題"},{"start":276.132,"end":291.542,"text":"那以基改跟非基改的部分那基本上我們相關的基改食品一定經過衛福部的一個安全檢查但是以農業部的立場我們到目前為止還沒有同意任何一個基改產品在台灣的田裡種植這個政策是不會變的"},{"start":292.863,"end":313.896,"text":"然後有關於美豬美牛的部分那基本上產地標示就是原來的產地標示那這個部分是屬於衛福部的一個全責的部分那我想衛福部應該會有一個比較好的一個對外的一個說明特別是不管是萊克多巴胺也好我們現在目前公告的這個MRL的值都是符合安全標準的"},{"start":314.366,"end":328.386,"text":"好那我做一個統整第一你有談判到大米嗎對吧沒有聽起來你有應該所有的農產品都有談所有的農產品不是只有大米所有的農產品然後對於標示這部分剛剛你所說的你是不會退讓對吧"},{"start":329.568,"end":351.491,"text":"你還是會繼續標示我說標示的部分是衛福部的全責因為我們農業部是負責產地的部分那關於萊劑跟以行受體素的管制這個你也說是衛福部的全責對嗎對 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不是就是我們沒辦法說決定說要改或不改因為這是牽涉到整個社福基金的國進改革的一個委員會裡面的一個決議那如果說有適當的決議或者是其他的部分但是我們也支持把這個戰情拿掉啦好 謝謝 謝謝部長好 謝謝陳偉 謝謝部長現在休息十分鐘"},{"start":636.849,"end":656.234,"text":"對,你怎麼知道?"},{"start":679.804,"end":683.78,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":1358.581,"end":1360.172,"text":"好 我們繼續開會接下來請張宏祿委員來做詢問"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}