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現在是沒得記帳但可能要跟親朋好友要先借錢現在的部分也有一些特別是像肥料的部分他們也是特別是有器做的部分他們也是你不要講器做"},{"start":305.188,"end":324.462,"text":"我現在就跟你講會不會有我說的這些問題但是那個比例不高有沒有有嘛有嘛你也承認有嘛對不對那你如果承認有的情況之下你說我六個月了我沒有腳就沒有了"},{"start":325.362,"end":354.731,"text":"很多人會因為這樣而卻步那我們呢 你看喔我們比如說勞工保險他也可以申請他幾個月 三個月或六個月或怎樣繳一次 對不對那我們對於這些農民我們可不可以也讓他不要每個月我們也可以放寬 他也可以申請他比如說半年繳一次或是一年繳一次"},{"start":356.209,"end":369.578,"text":"有沒有思考過這個方向不過委員的建議我想我們可以很仔細的去思考就是讓他一段時間繳一次但是也不能無限的啦當然啦我沒有要求我剛講的沒有無限"},{"start":372.66,"end":394.373,"text":"我願意回來請我們的同仁去做一個規劃看看可不可以除了現在每個月繳可以延半年以外是不是可以說你可以申請或者是三個月六個月然後最多一年之內一定要繳用這樣的方式我願意請同仁來做一個更仔細的評估我覺得需要這樣子啦"},{"start":394.893,"end":420.463,"text":"就我所理解的 很多人是為了每個月繳他卻不 有哪兩種人 一個比較年輕的我才要剛回來 我才要剛開始做我每個月 其他的生活負擔也有有的是比較年紀大的 他本來對這個就不了解他想說 我每個月又沒有固定的收入我每個月固定要繳"},{"start":422.515,"end":446.806,"text":"這個讓大家有一些就是不敢就去做因為它變成它每個月有一些負擔當然以政府的立場來講我政府也幫你出這個是一個很好的政策但一個很好的政策我覺得我們要實際上真正務農人他的收入情況我們要去考量尤其如果有遇到栽開或什麼他那一年搞不好還賠錢"},{"start":448.632,"end":468.616,"text":"不過總結一句只要能夠提高他們的覆蓋率的任何的方法農業部會一定盡可能的去做調整這個部分我想我可以這樣子的承諾好 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