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他的屍髓也來奉養所以基本上不是唯一靠這個8110來生存的"},{"start":280.895,"end":288.963,"text":"我還要再告訴你們哥哥一件事當我生在我們墳林海上我們五姓以上的徒弟都在做事我經常去到我們政客的地方經常看到是大人、野怪"},{"start":297.236,"end":305.439,"text":"兩支腳的骨輪都去換人工的還有一隻四腳骨要去送那個復養宿載我在問他們說你們為什麼會受傷這樣他們說這就是從小做事做到老所帶來的傷痕所以我們實際我們這些農民他們的辛苦付出"},{"start":324.566,"end":336.43,"text":"這是第一次我們來臨黨我在這裡跟各位說我們要求提出勞動警惕提為止過千、九十個一屆提告到委員會一萬兩千個希望你們要理解你們要理解這不是嫁給我的福林是一次性反映這十幾年來累積"},{"start":354.509,"end":365.4,"text":"這個通訪的紀律性的調整其實這是等於制度人群照顧疾群生活的水準這樣看得到嗎"},{"start":367.583,"end":387.53,"text":"我基本上我剛才在去報告就說了就是說我們的農農今天裡面有兩部分一部分就是我們的額度的提高嘛一部分是排富的部分嘛那額度的提高我們也認為他的基數比較低所以可以適度的提高不過藉著拿到多高來看我們的財政的一個負擔"},{"start":388.57,"end":395.254,"text":"再來剛才我們國庭有去講到這個開戶啦所來我會跟國庭有請教我們這個開戶的條件現時是勞動金條的土地到港澳開戶的門檻停留當民國一百年所定的五個月十四年來完全沒有調整過但是經濟我們來講過住宅價格的指數這種期間基礎已經為一百年的七十個"},{"start":418.268,"end":420.609,"text":"我們的資料是從100年開始到現在到13年我們的土地的公告限值已經提高了64.7%"},{"start":434.482,"end":437.003,"text":"所以我們這次修法的過程中我們一併來調整"},{"start":458.548,"end":471.36,"text":"所以我們後續的牌覆的設計也會根據這個土地的公告限值的增值的部分把它納入我們的增加提高我們的牌覆表格 這樣就對了 這樣就對了我請啦 這麼多人都好像坐在一四人大的一間老房子所以因為我們這個房價 地價的上漲給我們林田資產過高"},{"start":482.25,"end":484.971,"text":"而喪失這個津貼的資格這樣結構成為頂端用通貨跟房價上漲經濟弱勢的牢籠去解讀所以我認同我們剛才國庭說的這個國分需要來檢討這個國分需要來檢討要讓我們牢籠"},{"start":504.838,"end":519.639,"text":"給一個比較好的一個高中這樣可以啦我想我們的風雲都大方向都一樣後續我想我們的版本進到立法院以後我們會做一個更實質的一個我們的版本是憲政院的版本"},{"start":520.56,"end":531.447,"text":"對 因為我們的版本就要上到行政院討論以後然後合訂以後要進到院會院會通過再出來我們盡快的請示行政院我們只能這樣講因為院會不是我們的白人我們也是要跟你說明一下"},{"start":540.572,"end":544.993,"text":"一輩子為台灣牛市安全付出的農民若在退休後 制度沒有恢復 而且生活困難政府照顧技術不夠就沒辦法了這些農民辛苦 辛苦做一輩子 我們政府既然有這個退休金的金條 國條銀就應該有更好的機制"},{"start":565.64,"end":567.803,"text":"來規劃現時的總統來調整這個國分 國長有可能你來比較用心一點比較用心 讓我們的農民實在體會到我們政府是真真正正在照顧他們"},{"start":582.521,"end":603.312,"text":"我跟委員報告 委員提出來的39個版本我們每一個版本都把它做了分析然後我們也做了一些研議那大致上的方向都跟委員的版本是一樣的就是那個額度的部分要適度的提高然後排富的部分一定要納入相關的這些土地的公告限值的這個計算的標準"},{"start":603.752,"end":623.827,"text":"所以方向都是一致的 只是說在額度方面的部分一定要考慮到財政的部分那後續我想我們的版本進到立法院以後我們會再跟我們的委員做一些溝通跟說明有好的溝通就有好的結果啦這樣麻煩我們搞定 感謝教委 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝好 委員會這邊公告我們現在處理開會時間"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}