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12月是2厘米所以降雨量非常的少因為降雨量少的關係就影響到了硬質玉米的一個發展所以今年硬質玉米收成非常的差看起來連一半都沒有所以部長是不是可以先所以我先跟你反映這個狀況可能部長有時間還是農糧署這邊可以抱一下工來產區來看一下今年硬質玉米的收成狀況是確實是不好"},{"start":564.065,"end":588.285,"text":"那這部分是不是也請農業部來給我們家的農民來倒三缸的我想我在立法院如果沒有特別的一個專案報告我也很希望到產區去看這第一個第二個部分就是說玉米的部分它不能完全看雨量因為它有灌排系統所以我們要去了解它當地的灌排系統是不是沒問題如果當地有灌排系統那變成說你不灌對啦 我就灌給他那看要怎麼處理"},{"start":590.948,"end":597.019,"text":"會公開反映的大概就是沒有水源我們會去看 好不好我們會去了解好 那就請部長再關心我們一下好 謝謝好 謝謝蔡委員 謝謝部長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}