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不好意思一分鐘因為過年農曆年春假很多旅客可能也會出國也有郵輪的一些計畫所以我們之前有討論郵輪的定型化契約我也看到了交通部現在從上乳流開始在出手正在進行非常好但另外上個禮拜消機會有一個新聞我想部長也可能有看到就是針對現在國內航空業它的機票的部分"},{"start":624.902,"end":645.299,"text":"就是说明明他是同一个人我们现在撇除就是说同一个人可是他的英文姓名上面打可能多一个码少一个码有些时候那个横杠有没有打那他就把航空业者就把他认定为他是不同人那到了林贵之后才要求是说他要改名那当然改名的成本其实完全不透明"},{"start":646.334,"end":672.194,"text":"民眾也不知道是說我就是改一個名還是一樣我我現在撇開不是同一個人就單純同一個人但改名結果反而他的那個購票成本跟重買一張機票幾乎一樣那本席現在就提出兩個部分這是消基會他們在上禮拜的一個新聞也做了解就是說第一到底航空業者他們的手續費改票費還有作業費怎麼計算不知道"},{"start":672.874,"end":691.081,"text":"這航空業者自己把它給藏起來他說多少錢就多少錢消費者是弱勢那第二個部分能不能說至少提醒民眾在購買票的時候如果說他真的有改名的狀況他應該要有做多少的一個這個成本的一個揭露"},{"start":691.661,"end":711.468,"text":"我覺得這兩部分應該是要成本揭露讓消費者能夠了解我以為您所提醒的這個部分我們請民航局這邊可以趕快來跟這個航空公司來做了解但最重要是要有定型化契約其實還是一樣定型化契約就是郵輪有定型化契約那我們也希望航空業者大家來經營都非常好"},{"start":712.048,"end":736.723,"text":"我們也期待航空的市場更活絡發展但是不應該是有些成本變成是隱藏的讓消費者不知道那到最後變成是好像另外一個金雞母我覺得這不應該這個我們趕快來瞭解看怎麼處理那是不是一個月內可以沒問題我們一個月內來跟航空公司來做討論好不好再麻煩 謝謝部長謝謝侯孟楷委員侯孟楷召委發言"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}