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來署長來說明一下好不好這一個"},{"start":404.922,"end":431.676,"text":"如果是就全年來講是增加5億多增加5億多7千6百萬左右全年增加5億多好那我跟你講好不好你現在加1千到2千實際上還是不夠啦還是不夠因為你現在導資費增加但行政加給只加1千到2千會讓很多學校更找不到行政人員會更找不到行政人員這個我不知道你有沒有跟一些校長主任聊過"},{"start":434.028,"end":448.896,"text":"所以我是建議你先生價值應該要加到五千左右那你剛剛講說一千到兩千大概是增加五億嘛所以如果你加到五千的話大概是乘以二點五就是差不多十二億"},{"start":450.985,"end":465.13,"text":"12.5億嘛其實你應該要再多編12.5億讓那個導師費讓行政加給可以更高啦這個你也去評估一下我現在講的相較於高教都是小錢啦因為高教特別預算就200億啊國教你看我剛剛講20億加上這個12.5億才32.5億啊"},{"start":468.69,"end":495.865,"text":"我們會持續評估這個是一個嚴重的問題我建議你們去跟學校的校長主任聊一下這個措施你們之前的措施會不會造成更找不到行政人員還有第三個因為今天講的是偏鄉學校偏鄉學校現在有一個措施是讓沒有教師證的代理老師可以在如果他有五年的年資的話可以讓他去修教育學程學分班對吧"},{"start":497.867,"end":512.105,"text":"其实我觉得一般的非偏乡学校比如说市区学校的代理教师也一样有这样的需求因为我有听过非常多代理教师他是市区的他可能已经代理接近十年了有的八年有的九年他对教育很有热忱"},{"start":513.146,"end":532.467,"text":"但是每次都提心吊膽因為沒有教師證的代理老師要等到學校三招以後才有機會進到學校你第一招第二招都是要有教師證招不到第三招才是可以招無教師證但現在有很多沒有教師證的代理老師所以"},{"start":535.424,"end":551.161,"text":"有沒有那麼可能就比照偏鄉學校讓這些沒有教師證市區的代理老師他有累積一定年資也可以讓他去修教育學程的學分班因為現行的制度對他們來說我覺得是"},{"start":552.557,"end":573.793,"text":"比較困難點在於說第一個他們可能有經濟的壓力嘛你要他把不要去當代理老師回到學校去修碩士博士再兼教育學程這個機會成本很高啦第二個如果是在職專班的話其實學費他也許根本不想要讀碩士博士對不對但是他為了要修教育學程所以付這個學費去修這個學位"},{"start":575.914,"end":596.224,"text":"所以能不能就是像偏鄉一樣就是提供讓他們你找一些我相信有些大學願意開這樣的課程啊在寒暑假啊然後一些教育學程的學分啊讓他們去修那你也可以訂一個年資對不對比如說幾年嘛四年五年那為什麼要訂這個年資呢因為這個代表說他真的很熱愛這個教學環境"},{"start":597.847,"end":612.878,"text":"然後第二個是現在學校很多學校就是缺老師啊如果沒有缺老師不會開到三招四招五招嘛對吧所以其實我覺得對現行的制度也不會做什麼排擠啦這個我不知道次長能不能"},{"start":613.843,"end":640.199,"text":"這個方向其實我以為你說的就是我們偏鄉會這樣開是因為它增加誘因在偏鄉服務那假如說我們把這個誘因又放到一般的地區裡面去讓這些代理老師有這個管道的話那整個失陪制度的這種設計可能也會有一些衝擊因為我剛剛講的那些代理老師他就是我剛剛講的那些代理老師他就是市區的你就算你不讓他有這個機會修那個學問班他也不會到偏鄉啊"},{"start":641.219,"end":663.883,"text":"更何況現在雙北很多市區的學校也都缺代理老師啊我們上次也看到台北市台北市總不能說偏鄉了吧台北市的代理老師都到四十幾招啦所以市區的問題現在也要解決啊但是多數的這個代理教師其實是有教師證的啦那 多數嘛 可是如果多數的都有教師證的話那怎麼會 很多學校都要三招以上"},{"start":665.105,"end":670.562,"text":"當然我們有一些稀缺類科也會開學士候學分班不限於偏遠地區什麼時候開"},{"start":672.428,"end":673.428,"text":"就多找一些大學嘛對啊"},{"start":696.933,"end":724.112,"text":"我相信大學會願意開啦那之前的培育量我們也必須考那委員的我們會滾動來做思考好 謝謝那最後一個問題你們有提到說那個幼教幼教的那個教保費也會提高嘛從2000到3000你們什麼時候會實施這個已經在研議他要修要點他一樣會追溯到這個學年9月1號會追溯到這個學年就對了那大概什麼時候要點會修在1月會修完1月會修完 謝謝"},{"start":728.515,"end":729.055,"text":"好 谢谢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}