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那動起來了跑不掉了這是何其悲哀的一件事情啊"},{"start":2998.407,"end":3025.681,"text":"如果說整個會期是到了五月底可以順利去做結束的那特別沒有任何特別要處理的一個議案那又提出一個也會到七月三十一號這個目的到底為什麼司馬昭之心啊路人皆知啊我相信各位在場的媒體朋友看得很清楚進入到五月份的會期裡面啊各個委員會裡面啊很多都已經是在排考察了為什麼"},{"start":3026.872,"end":3054.839,"text":"為什麼要排考察第一個沒有案可以審第二個有案可以審但是呢在藍白聯手之下他也不想審為什麼會變成這樣子在國會裡面高度的一個政治對抗可以理解但問題是高度政治對抗把扶國立民的民生的一個法案或者牽扯到整個國安的議題的法案全部因為在野的多數聯手把它給擋掉了以後"},{"start":3056.916,"end":3080.476,"text":"進行其他的政治鬥爭好了公投案要提出在整個這一次的一個大罷免的過程裡面我們看到了多少中國國民黨去反罷免然後發起了惡罷這樣的一個行為裡面多少的國民黨的高層縣市黨部的主委涉案了那涉案了怎麼辦"},{"start":3082.202,"end":3106.414,"text":"涉案了怎麼辦 聯手藍白在國會裡面洩恨老百姓完全看在眼裡 這一次的研會到7月31號要處理什麼重大的法案國民黨的朋友 民眾的朋友 可以好好出來講清楚啊可以處理的法案 在五月份可以處理的法案你可以把它弄一個研會到7月31號"},{"start":3108.257,"end":3120.041,"text":"你今天接下來就很簡單嘛七月六月份 七月份選票要查的時候要怎樣選啊選你也選不上去啊做一個國會議員要選又漏氣啊要怎樣 只有在國會裡面啦繼續要來議會 心虛啦 就是心虛啦做國會議員做到心虛就要用言會說如果沒有選票就把你放棄"},{"start":3135.424,"end":3141.486,"text":"好,謝謝莊委員下一位請王逸川委員發言張雅琳委員請準備好,謝謝主席國民黨給民眾黨給這個人叫做雞眼睛啦雞眼睛啦"},{"start":3159.895,"end":3173.965,"text":"你看他開位,如果要過一點點就過了,不用多加幾幾個這個很簡單,我算一下,一、二、三、四、最少五個這如果延續下去五個保護傘,整個張開一、二、三、四、五,差不多五個國民黨啊,你如果要給人家開位,很簡單"},{"start":3187.489,"end":3199.877,"text":"六月三十二天的群流,有什麼要緊的就來開臨時會韓院長比亞一比壘,大家都集合,來開要緊的這個會不用再衝這種的啦你看我們中間有空檔,走去用火去走去用熱去,走去用髒去,國民黨就倒了啦這個案例民眾黨還在倒,民眾黨還退下去"},{"start":3213.868,"end":3218.043,"text":"民眾黨你是有什麼人會去控制你沒有人會去控制的那是國民黨的你如果這樣對"},{"start":3221.598,"end":3246.006,"text":"你如果這樣對,這種案子啊,大家不要再說那五四三,不要再虛情假意,怕被抓就說,怕被抓就說,把我水餅給我吃掉,做個國會議員吃屁啊,整群日本人,日本人的人,大家為了要保護他整個,大家說要不然我們的委員會,我們的黨人都不會去用力去管,有的人這樣,"},{"start":3247.046,"end":3251.911,"text":"我講得太白了,在國民黨上用一句韓院長說的話叫做可憐啦好,謝謝王委員下一位請張雅玲委員發言請陳冠廷委員準備"},{"start":3274.209,"end":3290.083,"text":"各位現場的同事以及我們現場線上觀看直播的公民朋友國民黨現在提出了要把院會延到7月31號打著要趕快審完司法院與通傳會人事同意權案預算解凍案以及4700 100億的"},{"start":3292.245,"end":3311.866,"text":"特別條例草案的旗號表面上好像是為了人民辛苦加班事實上就是一個赤裸裸的政治算計研會的目的只有一個就是拖延罷免逃避罷免替失格的立委苟延殘喘"},{"start":3313.568,"end":3333.521,"text":"過去一整年我們大家都可以清楚的看到國民黨和民眾黨聯手破壞了我們的民主體制從過去打人 阻擋開會 阻擋發言協商現場都在過水爭議法案在表決的時候才拿出來讓大家看實質的內容到底是什麼一路在立法院搞黑箱"},{"start":3334.622,"end":3354.249,"text":"如果他們真心想要過法案的話以他們現在的行徑難道不能過嗎那再來在整個預算在整個現在是法案會期的時候我們在做什麼我們現在其實在審他們在上個會期預算會期亂動的一個解凍案"},{"start":3355.697,"end":3377.173,"text":"真正該審法案的時候我們其實都在處理他們當年耍流氓耍威風搞得民不聊生的解凍案大家應該都還記得他們提出的理由是多麼的爛例如廖先祥因為買不到鹹酥雞就要刪除了我們這個汐止的社宅的預算還有徐巧欣因為這個要說什麼你們的潛艦浮起來再說就亂扇亂動了我們的國防預算"},{"start":3379.455,"end":3403.477,"text":"整件事情呢 我們都可以看出來 他們就是很廢現在是跳出來裝盲為什麼呢 就是為了要保護這些涉入死亡連署連署偽詐案件的立法委員這是哪門子的民主 這是哪門子的認真哪門子的為民服務這分明就是把越匯當作自己的保護傘 當作自保的避風港"},{"start":3404.598,"end":3432.992,"text":"現在整個會期的亂源就是國民黨跟民眾黨讓他們多待一天立法院多開一些法案的會議對我們來說都是非常危險的事情如果你們真的在意民生真的在意法案就不要通過這些高度爭議的政治算計的法案不要出來演真的人民都看你們看得非常清楚不要再演了我們必須證告國民黨立法院不是你們逃避民意的保護所"},{"start":3433.812,"end":3460.947,"text":"一方面破壞了法治一方面演出了所謂的情政愛民很認真我告訴大家這叫做政治詐騙今天人民對你們的行徑已經看得一清二楚了抱怨的腳步不會停那最後我要正告國民黨親中邁臺又舔共四邊包繩不打洞好 謝謝張委員下一位我們請陳冠廷委員發言"},{"start":3472.945,"end":3490.611,"text":"主席各位同仁大家早安那今天針對研會的部分我還是要把這個正當性再去敘述一下那研會的目的他不是只是為了研會而研會他不是為了說要呈現出好像我們很認真所以必須研會讓每一個時間都被填滿"},{"start":3491.511,"end":3519.676,"text":"其實大家都忽略到說國會議員他們必須要有一個完整的研究的時間我們現在是基本上除了院會之外委員會的非常的頻繁頻率那也就是說每一位委員他根本就沒有足夠的一個算是一個比較空間來去做法案的研究來去做跟一般的公民團體的討論所以當我們去質詢的時候其實我們的時間它某種程度是被很壓縮的"},{"start":3520.896,"end":3537.285,"text":"那其實大家都知道委員會的同時它基本上每天都有各個不同的經濟委員會、國防外交委員會等於說在這樣子的時間壓縮之下那在會期中我們就等於是為了開會之外我們沒有任何能夠去做研究的空間"},{"start":3538.306,"end":3566.068,"text":"那再來就是說為什麼會有會期會期的正當性是什麼我就說在我們現在的這個透明公開的議程中我們要問說主張的延期的這個研會的國民黨和民眾黨是否能夠攤開一個詳實具體的清單 法案清單就是說你們研會是要有目的性啊不是只是為了某種特殊的任務或者是為了特殊幾位委員的政治的目標"},{"start":3566.849,"end":3588.647,"text":"然後把所有的時間來延長那另外我還是在強調其實台灣現在的這個國際的這個狀況我們其實是需要一些時間來去做國會外交的那國會外交當你的這個委員會同時在開的時候你又要變做要做取捨這其實是蠻可惜的特別是這個國防外交的這些委員們"},{"start":3589.508,"end":3607.135,"text":"我看到大家是花很多時間那他不管是在對歐美或者說其他的國家當我們把所有的時間做無意的延長的時候那變成說我們同時既不能夠完成在國會裡的任務也沒有辦法完成在國會外的任務"},{"start":3607.975,"end":3636.974,"text":"那所以說這些我們剛才講到的清單列出的法案是否已經真正到了非研會不可的程度那延長會期所要進行是實質的嗎是深入的討論嗎那如果都不是的話那我認為那只是為了消耗特定政黨的這一些口袋法案或者是說為了營造不會很忙碌的假象而缺乏實質的審議內容我想這樣子的研會就喪失了它的正當性"},{"start":3637.774,"end":3661.315,"text":"那因此我再次強烈的呼籲請提出研會的確切理由不要為了研會而研會我們期待的是一個有擔當有責任的這個在野黨能夠把你們的理由講清楚不然的話其實在野我認為是不妥當的好謝謝陳委員下一位請林柱英委員發言請范雲委員準備"},{"start":3678.779,"end":3693.325,"text":"謝謝主席立法院同仁以及在線上直播觀看的公民朋友我想許多人可能都不知道在立法院當中立法委員的任期是有一定的規定的那麼就是每年的二月到五月底"},{"start":3694.185,"end":3712.399,"text":"還有九月到十二月為什麼會做這樣的規定我想剛剛前面的委員都特別提過了立法委員除了在立法院中問政之外除了區域立委他有每天不停的選民服務之外針對國家重要的法案"},{"start":3713.359,"end":3727.905,"text":"預算 政策來進行研究也是其中一個非常重要的也就是說在這些所謂我們認為不是會議期間我們所進行的工作其實是持續的過去有在野黨的委員喜歡講說"},{"start":3729.425,"end":3748.196,"text":"不開會就是不認真我想經過這些年大家也都知道身為立法委員除了在立法院開會之外其他的時間要做法案研究選民服務政策研究但是我們從這一屆過去的一年多我們看到的立法院狀況是什麼"},{"start":3749.451,"end":3774.787,"text":"其實藍白加起來的立委佔了多數有多少的法案根本就是委員會過水協商過水在表決的前一刻才拿出來一分鐘就通過了所以我就問如果這麼容易藍白現在說過就過幹嘛要研會呢"},{"start":3776.417,"end":3791.804,"text":"今天距離今天520距離5月30號要休會說實話國民黨民眾黨如果卯起來每一個法案不是只要一分鐘就可以表決過關嗎為什麼要研會"},{"start":3795.54,"end":3811.288,"text":"他們明明就可以這麼做而且他們就敢這樣做那你說他們怕了是為什麼怕了因為罷免他們現在不敢了但你以為真的不敢嗎上個禮拜我們在表決兩個不存在的"},{"start":3812.248,"end":3823.112,"text":"造假的公投的時候他們依舊顧我啊就是讓民進黨的委員去發言明明知道在法理上是理虧的但是他們依舊強行表決過關在這個討論論理的時刻"},{"start":3827.953,"end":3849.583,"text":"委員會當中沒有討論來到院會做討論可是在院會當中發言的只有民進黨的委員當時國民黨的委員根本都不在就像現在一樣座位上沒有幾個委員多數的委員是不在的他們根本不想認真討論所以就如同前面的委員以及前面現在看到的這些黑色的大傘"},{"start":3851.023,"end":3867.793,"text":"這個研會只是為了幫國民黨的委員撐起保護傘擔心他們因為被司法搜查所以他們要研會這樣的研會不能接受也不應該好 謝謝林委員下一位請范雲委員發言請張祺凱委員準備"},{"start":3882.776,"end":3904.356,"text":"好各位同仁好还有各位关心立法院的乱象大家好那国民党今天待会儿蓝白要来表决要延会到七月底那他们对外的说法是他们很认真工作想要通过很多扶国立民的法案不过我们要跟大家报告他们的"},{"start":3904.756,"end":3927.036,"text":"福国立民法案不是真福国立民法案不是普发现金就是肉同法案想要绑定特定的群体在大罢免中为他们出来投票那这是他们的福国立民法案那他们还有另外一个真正的目的就是届研会的期间假工作真掩护"},{"start":3927.877,"end":3946.369,"text":"為什麼我們這麼認為因為如果要提出沒有爭議跨黨派都支持的福國立民法案現在就可以做不用等到七月底那他們的假工作真掩護是因為國民黨有非常多的立委目前涉案中"},{"start":3947.33,"end":3968.509,"text":"我们先以决定权最大的群龙之首傅坤琪她有哪些案根据报道我们大家只要去研究一下新闻就知道她至少有一假离婚案二 凯聚华龙炒股案三 合基炒股案四 理想大地案五 竞选小物案"},{"start":3969.844,"end":3989.734,"text":"如果有些人要帮他讲话说哎呀有些案已经过去了他该做的劳也做过了我要跟大家报告很多案而且还有以上我还有列有些小案我没有列出的譬如说他们家门口的那个非法并更为就是篮球场案"},{"start":3990.474,"end":4006.746,"text":"那我也曾经揭露过他后来因为大罢免所以把他重新拆掉回复到一个土石的状态如果没有大罢免傅坤奇绝对不会这样做傅坤奇的竞选小物案是现在进行式"},{"start":4008.032,"end":4027.305,"text":"他的助理他號稱是他的員丁李慶龍先是沒有正當理由為道場授詢後來被通緝連他的律師都被認為是不是藏匿了李慶龍因為之後他失蹤了直到被通緝後他現在百萬交保我想請問大家"},{"start":4028.326,"end":4051.573,"text":"李青龍他的競選小巫案難道傅昆奇沒有事嗎傅昆奇大剌剌的在跟記者講說如果自己有任何不法行為不用等到天黑半夜都可以來抓他所以他說他可以來抓他那但是他為什麼不主動去說明為什麼不公告給大家他為什麼要利用這個研會還有羅志強羅志強的助理案"},{"start":4056.154,"end":4066.919,"text":"羅志強在自己的臉書說,我已經準備好做黑牢,也早已決心進去就沒打算出來還有謝榮介,國民黨現在是暗暗相連到天...好,謝謝蕭委員下一位請張啟凱委員發言,請郭益勤委員準備"},{"start":4085.216,"end":4099.621,"text":"這個是不是請民進黨團這個三星我先收起來先收起來啦 怎麼往旁邊這國會殿堂捏換您是你民進黨開的齁蛤收起來啦 收起來啦"},{"start":4123.803,"end":4131.109,"text":"好 我們尊重這個委員的發言歡迎市民進黨開會是不是民進黨今天的指揮檢調辦案嗎"},{"start":4138.1,"end":4166.093,"text":"在指揮檢調辦案嗎請把傘收起來民進黨你看那麼多立法委員上來講話怎麼樣在指揮檢調辦案要把國民黨的立委抓起來民進黨不演了是吧最近的民調清清楚楚大家看一下賴清德11項的重大施政裡面人民最不滿意的最大破洞的就是司法了"},{"start":4168.359,"end":4191.956,"text":"美麗島電子報的民調問政府有沒有介入檢調台灣的民眾五成八認為政治的黑手有伸進去民進黨沒有被敲醒嗎這麼丟臉的事情不好好反省竟然放這麼多黑傘每個人上來都不演了民進黨現在準備好像抓國民黨立委你們要指揮檢調辦案嗎"},{"start":4194.175,"end":4219.284,"text":"台灣是一個民主法治的社會人民用聲音清楚地跟民進黨講二十五萬人上街頭怒吼不要司法迫害不要從迫害賴清德一直到蔡聖岩到國民黨的立法委員國民黨多少的縣市黨部被你們大搜手大搜押今天民進黨的立法委員敢在國會殿堂指揮檢調辦案太離譜了"},{"start":4222.805,"end":4250.898,"text":"太離譜了另外民進黨不要再當薪水小偷了民進黨在社會上搞大罷免撕裂台灣製造對立的同時在立法院耍流氓當土匪大家去看一下你們杯葛過多少次的宴會多少次的委員會你們還有人今天出來反對要宴會有多少的福國利民的法案是被你們民進黨杯葛拖延了"},{"start":4252.967,"end":4269.381,"text":"你們大法官的人選要不要審賴清德提了大法官的人選你們要不要審我們推動還錢移民發給民民六千塊錢還有四千一百億停產業喔要應應高關稅的這個衝擊要幫我們產業幫農業結果民進黨躲到哪裡去了你們不幫我們產業不幫我們人民不應對高關稅的衝擊嗎"},{"start":4281.249,"end":4299.477,"text":"四大公投案也很重要河山除疫之後這幾天你看很多地方火力全開影響到我們的健康台中光是昨天台中的十根煙囪染美了九根連毒素都出來抗疫了"},{"start":4300.057,"end":4313.92,"text":"九根的這個煙囪火力發電燒煤的有九根除了一個在維修之外全部火力全開你們不要笑連高雄的立委高雄現在火力全開我們為了讓店不要變貴變髒我們要共同努力"},{"start":4322.093,"end":4329.659,"text":"好 謝謝詹委員下一位請郭育晴委員發言陳培瑜委員請準備"},{"start":4355.993,"end":4379.013,"text":"主席各位同仁還有線上正在看直播的針對國民黨他們主張還有剛剛民眾黨也講了主張要研會關免堂皇的理由是說為了要服國立民我們還有很多事情可能要在院會當中討論但說穿了如果真的要按照過往的一些經驗來說"},{"start":4381.621,"end":4400.684,"text":"其實臨時會就已經足夠可以處理了為什麼硬要延到7月31號看看他們這一整年做了哪一些荒謬的事情才會引發這麼多的民怨反彈現在大罷免大成功而且正在進行當中"},{"start":4402.424,"end":4416.793,"text":"國民黨提出研會的時機也未免太過敏感也太過巧合了就在有多位的國民黨的立委疑似涉案當中甚至針對所謂的違法幽靈冒名連署"},{"start":4417.814,"end":4437.049,"text":"要罷綠委的這些人當中都已經要被檢調介入在調查他們還可以大言不慚的說也不過就是涉嫌偽造文書各自問題而已嘛為什麼要收押哇 這真的是破了我們大家的三觀"},{"start":4439.196,"end":4465.427,"text":"國民黨在這個時間點拋出所謂的研會還說是為了國家利益你覺得大家會相信嗎我們不能不懷疑啦他們說也許我們是要來做所謂的這個川普他們的關稅我在想你們應該不是在防川普而是在保立委就像我前面這幾個傘這拿來當你們的遮羞布拿來當你們保護傘剛好而已是吧"},{"start":4466.82,"end":4488.456,"text":"大家都知道只要立法院一休會立委就會失去司法上的豁免保障檢調就可以依法生壓搜索而言會正是這些涉案立委他們繼續躲藏最後的一道保護傘說穿了啦言會就是在躲司法言會就是在怕罷免"},{"start":4489.336,"end":4513.237,"text":"這樣的操作違反程序正義踐踏人民對於國會的一個信任立法院是人民的議會不是政黨的保護身符也不是保護傘更不是你們的遮羞布我們不能夠讓這整個所有的國會制度淪為涉案立委逃避責任政黨圖謀私利的工具大罷免大成功"},{"start":4516.498,"end":4521.652,"text":"謝謝郭委員接下來請陳培宇委員發言請陳昭志委員準備"},{"start":4528.834,"end":4548.848,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想針對今天為什麼國民黨還有民眾黨要提出研會這個事情其實我們非常多同事都已經說明了但是我想人們是健忘的國民黨過往對台灣所做的傷害跟破壞可能大家都忘記了我認為在即將滿清了滿一週年的時候我想要再次提醒國民黨團還有民眾黨團"},{"start":4550.589,"end":4567.784,"text":"你們在過去這一年不論是預算或者是法案你們做了非常多荒腔走板的行為所以你們才會看到這樣的傘感到害怕當有人提醒你們什麼叫四邊包繩不打動的時候你們才會感到害怕我想要跟大家分享最近大家開始看我們過往民眾"},{"start":4569.625,"end":4584.515,"text":"民眾黨團還有國民黨團到底做了什麼事情我來自文化界我想要再次提醒國民黨人文化界過往對你們的呼籲是你們從刪掉公共電視全數的預算開始所以文化人站出來告訴你們他們可以拍出好看的電影"},{"start":4584.915,"end":4612.322,"text":"他們可以寫出好看的小說他們可以做出好看的童書而這一切不必然都是靠補助而你們只會指責他們是要飯的如果你們不敢看這些文化人告訴你們什麼我現在來念給你們聽金鐘獎金馬獎雙金導演楊雅喆說他是拍片仔沒錯但是現在他們的工作被刪了他就問大家的連署表格在哪裡呢很開心我們看到在李燕秀委員的區域已經送出二階"},{"start":4612.922,"end":4632.48,"text":"令人開心還有聽海勇的導演孫導演說顯然國民黨立委是沒有在看劇的只是隨著好事者起舞像跳梁小丑一樣對著戲劇指手畫腳大家不要忘記跳梁小丑背後是誰可能就是來自對岸敵對勢力還有知名的詩人作家朱祐勳也告訴你們"},{"start":4633.681,"end":4658.34,"text":"中國國民黨甚至不只是打壓台灣文化支持中國文化他們甚至可能從來沒有文化是仇視文化反對文化的泱泱文盲大黨而今天還好文盲大黨還看得懂雨傘上面這幾個字叫做國會保護傘再聽一次叫國會保護傘而這個傘可以保護他們所有剛剛"},{"start":4659.161,"end":4681.96,"text":"本黨同事所說的他們可能涉及的犯法行為而到目前為止沒有一個國民黨人針對他們被搜索或是被指控的行為只求對決正面說他們沒有犯錯對於所有被指控舔共賣台的行為他們也不敢承認他們沒有做出這個事情所有他們犯的錯都是別人的錯"},{"start":4682.62,"end":4706.323,"text":"所有犯的錯都是別人的錯這就是國民黨的邏輯所以大家可以看到接下來研會後的兩個月他們持續會在地方跑通啊 造謠 回房我要拜託大家屆時一定要出來投票投下你的同意罷免票每一個國民黨委員都要讓他離開國會大罷免大成功"},{"start":4708.585,"end":4732.971,"text":"好 謝謝陳委員下一位請陳昭之委員陳昭之委員陳昭之委員陳昭之委員不在我們請林國成委員發言順帶宣告林委員國成聲明週五之表決與台灣民眾黨黨團意見一致列入公報紀錄"},{"start":4738.666,"end":4765.746,"text":"我們線上的全國人民還有我們在座的我們立委同仁我覺得感覺到很奇怪開會不是立法院立法委員的職責嗎至於原會與否是大家可以討論那我也是覺得請尊重花園主席"},{"start":4767.844,"end":4790.753,"text":"我們請尊重林委員的發言請繼續各位同仁我們113位是全國人民給我和賦予我們的責任不要每一個立委在講話我從來你們講任何話我從來沒有打過一句話我希望"},{"start":4791.943,"end":4813.061,"text":"大家互相尊重這就是立法委員的職責跟人格如果每一個反對黨講出你們不喜歡聽的話你們就用這種態度這不配當立法委員說實在的我不知道各位在反對什麼"},{"start":4814.44,"end":4830.72,"text":"反對開會跟研會這本來也是開會的一種我們大家都很認真我們大家都為國家盡心盡力但是我就不曉得開會有什麼反對"},{"start":4833.344,"end":4848.272,"text":"開會本來就是為現在台灣人民需要任何的法案任何的危機處理通通都在立法院大家公開來集思廣益"},{"start":4848.672,"end":4871.028,"text":"不是這樣嗎所以我是覺得最近發生這些事情包括全球的高關稅包括匯率包括兩岸緊張的關係危機處理為什麼我們早上就要默哀一分鐘就代表什麼我們心中有人民那我就感覺到很奇怪啊"},{"start":4872.716,"end":4896.056,"text":"產業的困難人民的痛苦不需要開會嗎難道就只有一個執政黨不需要反對黨不需要在野黨來幫忙來及時管理提供意見嗎所以我認為除了你們心目中大罷免就是你們重要的事情以外為什麼人民可以在立法院"},{"start":4897.606,"end":4913.223,"text":"來集思廣益那你們反對所以我是覺得這樣立法委員本來開會就是天職所以我認為開會集思廣益大家共同商議國家之大事這本來就是立法院的職責"},{"start":4914.304,"end":4932.775,"text":"那我不會講大家什麼不來開會就是薪水小偷沒有必要我認為開會本來就是及時廣益的地方所以我支持延會開會好謝謝林委員下一位請劉淑檳委員劉淑檳委員不在我們請沈伯陽委員發言"},{"start":4943.384,"end":4943.885,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":4960.151,"end":4988.404,"text":"好 謝謝主席剛剛這個林國琛委員說研會是為了集思廣益為了開會但我就要問現在民眾黨的委員在哪裡剛剛暢明有兩位都已經沒有來到現場了不是要集思廣益嗎不是要開會嗎我再問 請問我的國安法案民眾黨擋了幾次不是要集思廣益嗎如果你要集思廣益你要討論事情那你不就應該在程序委員會讓所有的案子通過附委嗎"},{"start":4989.344,"end":5007.878,"text":"在程序委員會就把一個案子擋在那一邊連進入立法院的門都不能夠請問這樣叫什麼集思網易開會更不要講說像剛剛張啟凱委員講的我還是要再強調一次要怎麼知道張啟凱委員在造謠就是他嘴巴在動的時候"},{"start":5009.312,"end":5032.831,"text":"他每次一上來就是在造謠我要告訴大家他剛剛說什麼請問偽造文書要不要辦當然要辦嘛羅志強委員洋洋灑灑的也在臉書上面寫了一整排說什麼現在在司法迫害如果今天有犯罪不就應該要偵查嗎那既然有犯罪就應該要偵查那怎麼會是司法迫害"},{"start":5033.712,"end":5053.25,"text":"更不要講說像剛剛說為什麼蘇民進黨在杯葛宴會如果你不要去通過這個賣國的公投如果你不要去通過賣國的法案如果你不要做國會的濫權如果你不要亂刪預算如果你不去通過這些才華法那請問我們杯葛宴會要幹嘛"},{"start":5053.996,"end":5078.046,"text":"所以這完全都是在責怪被害者嘛你明明用這樣的一個方式毀憲亂政結果你去責怪別人在組黨院會的進行明明今天國民黨在偽造文書結果你說現在是在司法迫害這樣的一個話術台灣人民已經聽多了然後我最後還是要講說什麼要研會要討論重要的扶國立民的法案"},{"start":5078.846,"end":5101.14,"text":"我在這邊告訴全國的觀眾朋友今天如果在七月你要通過法案那你在前面第一個你一定要先掛號嘛你要進入程序委員會嘛然後接下來呢就算你用進覆二讀的方式你也需要一個月的冷凍期所以如果你七月要通過什麼扶國立民的法案那你六月的冷凍期扣掉那你現在扶國立民的法案就應該躺在立法院啦"},{"start":5101.9,"end":5118.385,"text":"那請問我們現在程序委員會看到的案子到底扶國立民的法案在哪裡我們只看到他們假意的說要砍掉國防預算跟國安預算之後還有海巡的預算然後最後說要普發一萬元的現金除了這個之外到底哪裡有扶國立民的法案"},{"start":5119.329,"end":5146.828,"text":"所以如果到五月現在這個時間點還沒有法案躺在這邊那更有可能的是他們要通過的是之前冷凍期已經過了躺在這邊準備要通過的惡法那些惡法才是我們研會所需要注意的事項更不要講說有那麼多的案子他們需要立法院的保護傘所以請大家不要再被藍白的話術所騙謝謝好 謝謝森委員下一位我們請林悅請委員發言"},{"start":5148.395,"end":5148.738,"text":"臨代會委員請準備"},{"start":5163.835,"end":5189.743,"text":"國民黨為什麼要研會不是因為他們比較認真更不是想要好好的來審法案他們的真實目的有三個而且每一個都讓人家無法接受第一他們是要把立法院變成政治秀場他們每天吵每天鬧就是要製造衝突吵議題目的是什麼就是要轉移大罷免的焦點讓社會搞不清楚誰對誰錯"},{"start":5191.263,"end":5196.454,"text":"他們根本不在乎民主價值只想顛倒是非混淆視聽第二"},{"start":5197.694,"end":5224.066,"text":"他們是想綁架政府延長會期逼行政機關跟著他們繼續加班隨時都要部會首長來陪著他們演戲跑地方搞官說這根本不是問政這是利用會期把公務人員當助理使喚第三他們想拖延時間搞對抗把會期拖得越長他們就越能繼續搞對立黨預算卡法案"},{"start":5224.546,"end":5251.001,"text":"他們用的是脫自決就是要把國會變成鬥爭中心什麼國家建設人民權益全都可以去丟一邊我們這一年半到底看到什麼不是監督而是搞破壞不是改革而是癱瘓制度他們無所不用其極拉布條黨主席抬砸東西用人海戰術來霸佔一場他們在表演而不是審議"},{"start":5252.836,"end":5257.775,"text":"所以你覺得人民會不會火大當然會所以現在全臺灣"},{"start":5258.905,"end":5286.406,"text":"一場來自基層由人民發起的大罷免才會這麼快的燃燒起來大家每日每夜的不畏懼風雨的連署就是他們看不下去了他們要站出來對破壞者說夠了吧立法院的會期是為了讓我們做事還是讓國民黨繼續亂搞是為了推動政策還是讓他們繼續演爛戲我們不能再浪費時間更不能讓整個國家被少數人綁架"},{"start":5288.527,"end":5299.549,"text":"我們在這裡鄭重呼籲拒絕研會 拒絕亂爭大罷免 大成功 謝謝好 謝謝下一位我們請蔡易瑜委員發言主席 各位同仁"},{"start":5317.645,"end":5345.933,"text":"那今天國民黨又變更議程他第一個議程就要處理這一個會期要延到7月31號那如果以正常的會期是從2月1號到5月31號表示這一次要延長了60天那延長60天我剛剛把它查一下它大概就是有史以來最長的延會第二長的是在106年有延到7月15號所以這一次又破了紀錄"},{"start":5347.011,"end":5354.398,"text":"那國民黨演了這麼久史上最長的演會那大家也會去想他們演會的目的是什麼"},{"start":5355.336,"end":5376.927,"text":"如果是單獨就特定法案就4100億的一個特別預算事實上可以用臨時會因為臨時會會就特定議題來做討論而且不會被其他議題來變得私交但是不是的國民黨咧實在講它這個研會沒有什麼目的目的講不清楚"},{"start":5377.93,"end":5389.645,"text":"那就不會說老師叫小朋友跟他說暑假的時候大家繼續來上課小朋友們說我們上課要上什麼那老師說我不知道我也不知道要上什麼你們都先來就對了"},{"start":5394.827,"end":5420.139,"text":"事實上立法院我們每一個立委我們在休會的期間並不是閒下來休會的期間我們可能可以跟公民團體去討論更多的法案我們可以好好的把開會的時候的選民服務的案件大家都需要去做一個消化所以休會跟立法院的院期本來就是搭配那國民黨這一次做了這一個史上最長的研會"},{"start":5421.36,"end":5446.63,"text":"事實上就像剛才看到的,要撐起國會保護傘國民黨大搞死亡連署,大搞偽造文書啊現在咧,都讓年輕人叫他們要去搭也有年輕人說,我這樣很難過,不知道要怎麼搭結果國民黨還是把他硬推上戰場那國民黨搞了這個保護傘"},{"start":5448.891,"end":5460.123,"text":"就為了他們擔心被罷免所以我合理的推論這個研會勒你說保護傘是這種國民黨現在都有一個最深層的想法這個想法是什麼就是國民黨也知道說麻煩吃辣"},{"start":5469.093,"end":5482.276,"text":"七月三十一 那個 接下來有可能這麼多國民黨的就位 要被罷免啦也有可能呢 七月三十一過了因為罷免 給國民黨在那邊過半天休息不上啊所以呢 他說 趁現在 大家要有空在這裡做事 開會開得久一點"},{"start":5491.138,"end":5499.122,"text":"第一天是這樣,第二天呢?他現在要打什麼害台灣、亂台灣、傾向中國的法案,快出過了,這樣對不對?"},{"start":5524.308,"end":5541.842,"text":"谢谢主席各位同仁国民党这个会期想要延到7月31号真的有这个必要吗各个委员会的重要的法案跟解冻案在5月底基本上都已经处理的差不多了那如果说到5月底"},{"start":5542.563,"end":5567.91,"text":"真的还有急需通过的这个重要法案因正常的程序呢在会期结束之后可以加开临时会来讨论处理为什么要延长到整个会期到七月底呢更何况立法院不是第一次处理临时会过去不论哪一个政党执政立法院有哪个党掌握多数时这都是有先例的"},{"start":5568.81,"end":5584.069,"text":"那么这次国民党为什么坚持要研会呢他们不敢明讲的真正的理由才是我们今天要揭穿的重点那最近呢各界所关注的包括大罢免涉嫌违法超明测"},{"start":5585.19,"end":5608.666,"text":"偽造文書假聯署等案件已經記錄刑事偵查程序社會要求清查真相的聲浪高漲而部分由黨部主管職的國民黨立委也恐怕因此涉入教唆只是黨員違法聯署的刑事案件當中因此我們都心知肚明國民黨這次積極推動年會就是為了讓"},{"start":5612.188,"end":5627.224,"text":"涉入刑事案件爭議的這些立委能夠躲在國會會期的保護傘之下以避免面對司法調查跟法律的追訴在這個時刻國民黨卻不去面對爭議不去清楚"},{"start":5628.466,"end":5641.495,"text":"反而企圖淹毀或是要拿這個來做政治的交換來規避司法 迴避偵查的程序讓國會變成保護特定政黨或個人的堡壘這是民主的恥辱"},{"start":5642.896,"end":5666.481,"text":"立法院的責任是監督行政不是庇護違法聯署國會的尊嚴來自專業問政不是來自司法保護傘的特權我們拒絕不當的研會藍白如果真的在乎民生法案就應該回歸理性審議停止政治操作不能讓國會成為遮風避雨的"},{"start":5667.611,"end":5695.52,"text":"遮羞棚也不能夠讓研會變成對司法說服的工具那除了研會之外呢在野黨也提出了一些荒謬的公投案也就是希望公投版罷免那還有呢提案普發現金一萬元等等等的肉頭法案這一切的一切呢就是要規避這個大罷免這一切的一切都是在野黨的算計大罷免大成功"},{"start":5698.892,"end":5711.944,"text":"好謝謝羅委員下一位請王宏威委員發言好我們是不是請民進黨團"},{"start":5748.549,"end":5751.872,"text":"好 主席還有各位同仁以及網路前面的朋友"},{"start":5753.249,"end":5776.764,"text":"為什麼要研會大家應該還記得民進黨在我們這個會期院會逐逐癱瘓了六天的會議逐逐癱瘓了六天會議沒有辦法開會而幾乎都在立法院的我們的議場裡面搞這樣子的裝置藝術我們都知道"},{"start":5778.137,"end":5804.084,"text":"美國的對等關稅因為有三個月的緩衝期那所以大概要七月才能夠確認到底台灣的對等關稅的稅率以及我們到底會退讓什麼樣的條件可是在這個時候民進黨的立委他們要放假另外在前一陣子凱凱案讓所有的國人痛心疾首"},{"start":5805.727,"end":5829.746,"text":"14萬人在網路上怒吼希望要修改刑法而法務部拒不同意所以我們要提出修改刑法回應所有重視兒童權利讓孩子能夠安全健康長大的民眾但是這個時候民進黨的立委仍然說他們要放假"},{"start":5831.195,"end":5851.809,"text":"居住正義大家都知道現在的住宅法正在緊鑼密鼓的修法當中這裡面可以讓更多育有幼兒的年輕夫婦可以優先入住設宅可是在這個時候民進黨立委說我們要放假"},{"start":5853.168,"end":5875.362,"text":"同樣的台灣要發展AI產業所以現在立法院也正在積極的修正人工智慧基本法希望讓我們的人工產業能夠更有多元利用可是這個時候民進黨的立委仍然告訴大家民進黨立委要放假"},{"start":5876.889,"end":5896.502,"text":"另外涉及15萬人的外送平台的外送員的權益相關的法律外送員一直高聲疾呼希望要修法可是這個時候民進黨立委繼續說民進黨立委要放假"},{"start":5897.731,"end":5919.237,"text":"我们之前通过4加1的国定假日还价于民民进党立委不给而且还说以后要把它销回来没收假期没收劳工的假期但是民进党立委告诉大家他们要爽爽的放两个月刚才还算出来60天"},{"start":5921.674,"end":5932.438,"text":"4加1的假不給勞工但是民進黨立委要放假民進黨立委只有黨譯沒有民意所以我們在這邊要好謝謝王委員下一位我們請陳秀寶委員發言"},{"start":5960.363,"end":5976.471,"text":"主席 各位立業同仁國民黨提案本會期延期到7月31日的理由究竟是什麼研會不應該成為罷免的保護傘研會也不應該成為司法偵辦的保護傘"},{"start":5978.226,"end":5994.263,"text":"研會的前提應該是要處理特定的重大法案或是預算案民進黨的態度非常明確若是要審查復國利民的議案民進黨黨團當然會支持但是今天我們看到的是國民黨盼望把握時間討好選民"},{"start":5996.385,"end":6021.412,"text":"通過挽回民意的法案 急切的希望通過普發現金條例 用人人有獎的方式挽救罷免的危機藍白毀線亂政一整年 通過的惡法如此多亂砍總預算的苦果 現在社會正在承擔若是以為通過幾個討好的法案就能挽回民意那未免也把台灣的民主以及台灣人民想像的太廉價"},{"start":6022.492,"end":6043.973,"text":"如果在野黨要研會 那應該是要先處理預算4100億的特別條例我們用以提升企業基農支持 提升產業競爭力而不是用政治交換的手段來換取政治利益從委員會到院會 整個立法院都容紮在藍白多數暴力的陰影下"},{"start":6044.834,"end":6055.017,"text":"議案以及法案缺乏討論也缺乏民主機制的運作違背過去朝野尊重的慣例甚至在討論研會的時候也並沒有好好討論應該要審查什麼樣的民生法案"},{"start":6060.319,"end":6089.614,"text":"在野黨的多數暴力只會使國會的運作朝人數壓制傾斜影響民主運作的品質所以希望在野黨放下對政治的利益的眷戀審查真正福國利民的法案我們一起支持產業照顧民生不要為了撐出司法保護傘而言會不要為了轉移罷免焦點而言會請罷免不適任立委大罷免大成功"},{"start":6091.67,"end":6093.053,"text":"好 謝謝陳委員 下一位請陳素悅委員發言"},{"start":6114.793,"end":6136.873,"text":"主席 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有非常多的地方我都沒有到過"},{"start":6797.199,"end":6816.471,"text":"为什么会这样因为我总觉得来的这十一个会期每一次的休会期都非常的短当然研会是合法但是对我们原住民族的权益来说有很大的损害"},{"start":6817.452,"end":6846.915,"text":"那我在这里我也实在想不出我来了11个会期为什么这一次会延会特别的长而且可能后面8月还会加开临时会9月法定会期又要开始我想来想去大概只有两个原因第一个就是蓝白想要扩大他们的优势也就是说要把"},{"start":6848.516,"end":6861.606,"text":"這兩個月的研會當作是他們的大戰場要把所有在冷凍期已過的這些惡法重新拿出來再把它炒一炒過一過"},{"start":6862.987,"end":6882.612,"text":"另外一個部分我也覺得非常的可怕那就是要把他們的劣勢要把它隱蔽也就是爭取司法的保護傘我想大家都很清楚沒有司法迫害的問題因為偽造死人連署是事實"},{"start":6883.712,"end":6900.25,"text":"面臨罷免案死亡聯署的調查很多的真相都已經逐漸的浮出了檯面為了避免檢調 徵訊調查的意圖我想這個是昭然若揭那我想說我在這個地方用汪小林委員的見解來回應"},{"start":6901.371,"end":6919.581,"text":"我在這裡警告那些打算大抄特抄連署造假罷免團體不要以為偽造連署沒有事請大家不要以紳士法挑戰法律的界限我在這個地方要特別的講如果我們已經受不了了那就大罷免大成功好 謝謝吳委員下一位請吳秉瑞委員發言"},{"start":6938.888,"end":6961.202,"text":"主席各位同仁我們現在要討論的議案是到底這個會期到5月31號為止的時候要不要延會到7月31號就本席從民國94年進到立法院現在超過20年的時間這麼多的會期裡面在我的印象中什麼狀況會延會"},{"start":6963.383,"end":6988.663,"text":"什麼順化會 臨時會一般只有在預算會期也就是每年的下半年9月開始那個會期預算會期審理結束期間但是預算沒有處理完我們是用延會來處理可能延半個月 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我聽到的那個版本更離譜他們現在提出了要研會到七月底我聽說八月一號到八月底還要繼續開臨時會"},{"start":8300.979,"end":8318.147,"text":"整個沿道就是沿道到九月份都不用休息立法院繼續開會這個保護傘穿到無限期非常非常的離譜我想我在跑基層的時候我們很多鄉親尤其這裡的鄉親有的過去一期國民黨的 一期民眾黨的大家都驕傲啦 驕傲說他們撐不住便宜所以我想國民黨跟民眾黨真的要覺醒"},{"start":8324.87,"end":8352.561,"text":"尤其大罷免的風潮在地上風起雲湧我們聽到的這真的這大罷免大成功真的不是開玩笑的我們非常有信心啦在這我想我們要求的部分我們要求的部分你看今天開會我們沒有出席連登記的都不發言這麼不負責任的這個政黨值得我們要真的要深思我們的鄉親用民意唾棄就是要大罷免大成功"},{"start":8358.988,"end":8383.138,"text":"主席各位委員大家好雖然我們都知道這一次的表決還是不會如我們的願因為在野黨、國民黨、民眾黨、家"},{"start":8385.816,"end":8407.471,"text":"人數的優勢一定都是強行表決過關但是我想我們有責任也有義務要讓國人清楚的知道這一次在野黨聯手提議要來研會它的正當性 它的意義 它的目的到底是什麼"},{"start":8408.516,"end":8437.156,"text":"立法院要開會如果是為了福國立民的法案民生法案來開會我想大家都會贊同但是如果這一次提議研會是為了一黨之私為了一己之私而要提議研會那我想那是全民不能接受立法院這個會期的時間依憲法規定就是到5月31號就算有重大的議案"},{"start":8438.396,"end":8463.035,"text":"也可以以召開臨時會的方式來處理如剛剛我國民黨委員提到的美國關稅提到的道路交通提到的所有兒少法案等等如果真的那麼重要現在我們在各個委員會國民黨民眾黨藍白都有召委"},{"start":8464.033,"end":8486.496,"text":"事實上都可以排案那為什麼還要以延長會期這樣的方式來處理如果真的要延會到七月底整整兩個月連委員會一起開延這麼久這是打破立法院的紀錄更重要的是如果關心這些議題"},{"start":8488.277,"end":8515.439,"text":"我們除了在立法院開會我們立委的另外一個職責就是要傾聽民意我們需要時間到第一線上去傾聽人民的聲音來讓我們的議案可以合乎民意所以 研會的時間的配置會讓我們很多的立委沒有辦法直接第一線好好的來跟民意溝通"},{"start":8517.369,"end":8546.73,"text":"另外我想大家都知道現在社會各界對於涉及司法案件的立法委員的形象非常負面所以也會對立法院開會要嚴會提出疑問當大家看到憲法第74條規定立法委員除現行犯外非進立法院許可不得逮捕或拘禁這個時候大家就突然懂了為什麼"},{"start":8548.274,"end":8562.744,"text":"在野黨要提延長會期就是要撐起對他們好 謝謝委員下一位請許智傑委員發言也請黃婕委員準備"},{"start":8588.201,"end":8608.483,"text":"謝謝主席 大家好 國民黨其實就是區立委怕被罷免 不分區立委怕被罰辦那才要來撐起這個國會的保護傘 然後來保護他們這些不分區立委可以再撐一下 那為什麼呢 我們可以看 其實他很早就規劃好了"},{"start":8609.204,"end":8622.583,"text":"我們可以看到在2024年的10月3號林傳媒報導國民黨掌握獵殺20位立委名單其中我們高雄市就先列我在裡面博弈好像也有在那裡面"},{"start":8623.664,"end":8651.554,"text":"那個時候他們其實早就規劃好了結果媒體爆發出來後他們都沒講後來2024 10月15我上週一後的節目他就問我說當時黃姐跟我我們挺過那個鳳山被罷免的經驗國民黨現在用這個列三名單你的態度怎麼樣當時我才講說國民黨其實你不要貿然修選辦法其實當時我就提出就是九個一罷免名單"},{"start":8653.214,"end":8672.185,"text":"當時我講到說其實你們要罷免我們這種想法是你們自己先開端的開端之後我說這九個其實才是更危險的所以我都提出就是撒卡都的黃建斌、李燕秀、林思敏贏三趴以內的廖偉祥、葉元之、涂謙桔、仇恩直高的羅廷偉、徐曉欣、傅文綺等等"},{"start":8673.065,"end":8689.759,"text":"當時我提出的時候,其實徐草鑫還很大聲地說他不怕被罷免當時岳炎志我提出的時候,他就亂講了出來沒有說徐志杰為了說存在感染,沒種啦所以其實岳炎志才是最怕被罷免的所以這個過程,我說的第一個是國民黨先挑釁才創造出這個罷免的議題"},{"start":8691.65,"end":8711.251,"text":"那結果呢2024年10月17號有民眾打電話到我服務處恐嚇說不要囂張提罷免 小心服務處門口有包圍內物我去報警 也抓到了這怕人化救人然後我們看全台第一個罷免總部是誰成立的是中國移民朱磊成立鳳山"},{"start":8712.714,"end":8736.805,"text":"罷免十字節這個是他們先開端的所以我們這樣陸陸續續這樣子來那民進黨在2月1號20252月1號開始提大罷免大成功開始起跑那朱立倫還說要罷免兩個原住民立委那後來我還接到民眾陳情說他的連署單是假的民進黨中央黨會陪我去告發那國民黨後來也陸陸續續承認他們是偽造連署好"},{"start":8737.813,"end":8764.322,"text":"源頭擴權、越權、亂權、濫權這些法案跟亂三動預算這個因是你國民黨責成的跟民眾黨責成的這個個就是民眾不能接受才會提出這個罷免那朱立倫也沒想到說罷免的力道這麼大那現在我們來看就是所有的黨部那個國民黨黨部有偽造名單的有很多都是不分區立委所以我就說國民黨區立委怕罷免"},{"start":8765.302,"end":8776.409,"text":"不分區立委怕法辦我們一定要努力大罷免大成功下一位我們請黃婕委員發言也請吳佩儀委員準備"},{"start":8795.462,"end":8817.228,"text":"還以為那個崑城委員在幫我鼓掌好 現在打蚊子好 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耽擱了我們國家運動部要成立的修法法案他們一再說民生比較重要為什麼我們看到的卻是一直用政治鬥爭來耽擱拖累民生再來我們相當的質疑真正的真相國民黨為什麼要研會就是為了拿國會當作有犯罪嫌疑委員的保護傘"},{"start":9157.631,"end":9180.959,"text":"在最早的憲法74條規定立法委員除現行犯之外在會期當中任期當中都有保護傘但是後來在修憲的時候憲法增修條文把任期中改成會期中就是為了避免立委去濫用這個權利而我們現在看到的就是國民黨並不推民生而是一再的濫用國會"},{"start":9192.517,"end":9195.863,"text":"好,謝謝吳委員下一位請陳俊宇委員發言"},{"start":9217.141,"end":9233.759,"text":"主席各位委員我們現在在討論的這個案子是由國民黨所提出要延長會期到7月31那依據憲法規定我們立法院的這個法定上下會期將近8個月"},{"start":9235.356,"end":9259.873,"text":"即便在這個休會期間立法委員也都有諸多的工作要進行不論是法案或是政策的研究那回到各自的選區還要進行和選民的溝通、服務、會勘、協商等等的工作每天的這些選服都持續的在進行並沒有在放假"},{"start":9261.206,"end":9286.332,"text":"那去年我相信大家記憶猶新兩個會期藍白以多數毀憲亂政提出許多干擾國家的這個惡法及擴權法案激起民眾對於國會亂象的一個厭惡這也就是去年所種下的因那現在得到的果就是大罷免那這個會期藍白兩黨"},{"start":9290.353,"end":9306.384,"text":"可以完全不考慮我們政府的財政國家的發展沒有強加討論的大撒幣丟出許多討好民眾的政策及肉桶法案為的只是要救罷免"},{"start":9308.015,"end":9336.526,"text":"而國民黨現在聲稱研會只是為了民生考量但目前我們聽到所謂福國利民的法案似乎只有普發現金的這個修法即便是針對這個提案也不必等到7月底才來處理在野黨早早就能以多數表決強勢通過現在各委員會都緊鑼密鼓排定許多的這個解凍案另外針對"},{"start":9338.304,"end":9350.353,"text":"關稅的衝擊因應國際情勢變化的4100億特別條例也將在最近幾天進入主條討論如果順利的話很快就能夠完成審查"},{"start":9351.701,"end":9375.922,"text":"那如果真的有重大而急迫的這個法案依據立法院組織法的第六條只要經過全體委員四分之一以上的請求也可以要求我們的韓院長來召開臨時會那可以馬上來處理所謂的這個重大事件如果說現在所謂的這個研會"},{"start":9378.328,"end":9400.903,"text":"只是這個國民黨自己自身的一個盤算沒有具體的事由只是利用職權來撐開這個所謂的保護傘那我們絕對不能接受為自身政治考量的這種言會行為好 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就是為了自己就是為了國民黨自己來做考量"},{"start":9546.926,"end":9563.127,"text":"那自己的考量是什麼是司法的考量還是什麼樣的考量我們真的到目前為止莫名其妙我們希望國民黨能夠把研會的理由拿出來"},{"start":9564.964,"end":9592.142,"text":"為什麼要延兩個月理由在哪裡你們所提的法案哪一個部分沒有辦法過非必要一定要延會你們所提的要求哪一個部分一定要延會請告訴我們請告訴所有台灣人民請告訴所有今天莫名其妙陪你們在這裡延會的所有的立委們"},{"start":9594.09,"end":9604.977,"text":"我們要開會可是要開有意義的會我們要開會我們是要通過預算我們要通過法案而不是要開謝謝陳委員下一位請林怡瑾委員發言"},{"start":9638.925,"end":9652.651,"text":"主席 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謝謝劉委員下一位請王定宇委員發言中國國民黨跟民眾黨要研會而且是史上最長一次研會 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謝謝陳穎委員下一位請賴會議員委員發言"},{"start":10608.581,"end":10631.946,"text":"主席各位同仁今天我們討論是否延長這個會期到7月31號國民黨說是為了繼續審查胡國立民的法案但我們必須直率的一個坦白的講這根本不是一個需要什麼樣的一個法案推動的一個需要而是徹頭徹尾的一個政治上的一個操作"},{"start":10633.285,"end":10647.944,"text":"如果我們的會期是依據憲法第68條的一個規定法案前面兩每年前面就是是我們的法案會期二月到五月那後面是九月到十二月是我們的預算會期"},{"start":10649.105,"end":10677.407,"text":"那如果有需要延長會期的時候必須要是必要的什麼是必要的就是突發重大有關國家的一個利益的情況我們才可以動用這個憲法授權的一個例外的機制但是國民黨的一個提案書裡頭寫了什麼只是很簡單的寫到延長到7月31號連理由都懶得寫請問這個有符合憲法的一個必要史嗎"},{"start":10678.948,"end":10704.12,"text":"我們退役外部來講 任何的法案在你們藍白多數之下哪一個法案是不能通過的 還需要研會呢這個真的是拍皮托肥不就代表你們其實都在混這三個月以來都沒有做胡國立民啊我們都還記得在前不久的時候國民黨跑去北檢 就是違法的一個集會衝撞司法"},{"start":10704.82,"end":10730.73,"text":"鬧完了以後就急急忙忙跑回來那就是提言會這個不僅讓人家懷疑你們是不是為了推華案你們是為了推華案還是為了就是要拖就是為了要想拉長會期讓自己繼續躲在保護傘底下把國會變成了一個遮羞布變成了你們的護身壺掩蓋了死亡連署還有偽造文書的一個違法亂紀呢"},{"start":10732.691,"end":10750.222,"text":"我想大家都參加過公祭,也都知道說今天行逐白案要移動的時候,其實我們是要用黑傘把它蓋住的,保護靈魂不外洩。今天國民黨也是一樣啊,怕被罷免,那也怕自己喪失了立委的資格,趕緊撐起了保護傘。"},{"start":10752.643,"end":10779.594,"text":"保護自己守護自己司馬昭之心路人皆知一個連理由都沒有的研會的提案是在浪費國家的資源也是對民意的一個挑釁你們說要處理重大的一個法案可是卻偷偷的違法開會總諮詢的一個延後讓議案表決強勢的碾壓這種種的行為是真正的在為國家打拼嗎認真的立委不需要靠研會來"},{"start":10781.054,"end":10800.067,"text":"證明自己的價值如果你們真的有心早就應該在正常的會期好好的審查法案今天被民意追著走才想把會期當成是皇宮痛好 謝謝大委員下一位請王世堅委員發言"},{"start":10820.486,"end":10848.385,"text":"主席各位同仁其實在不到一個小時之後的投票那麼結果已經很清楚在野黨夾著他們席次的多數所以這一次他們提案這個研會想必是一定會通過所以國民黨這個研會的提案其實合法但是不正當"},{"start":10849.878,"end":10874.219,"text":"但是不正當社會也不會接受其實我們會期結束之後休會期間就是要讓每一位立法委員回到他的選區去聽取民意也就是說我們每位立委"},{"start":10875.222,"end":10898.285,"text":"透過 宮廷會 座堂會 透過協調 透過會刊來探取民怨 解決民謀所以 正常程序的開會會期 再來休會這都是必要的 這都是必要的 就如同"},{"start":10899.554,"end":10922.73,"text":"我們總不能叫一位醫生一直在手術台上開刀吧總不能叫一位球員一直在球場上比賽我們一定要讓醫生除了開刀以外他有時間休息有時間看診有時間研究醫技醫術"},{"start":10924.824,"end":10952.929,"text":"同樣的啊球員也是不是只比賽他還要有練球的時間有切磋球技的時間有休息的時間這就像我們立法委員開會一樣而這一次的研會完全沒有名目等於先是取得一張空白支票"},{"start":10954.301,"end":10975.429,"text":"取代一個空白授權 到時候在野黨 想到什麼啦 要鬧什麼啦再把這個名義寫上去 當作開會的目的否則 我們看到這一年來 本黨所提出那麼多重要的 攸關國家安全的國安法案"},{"start":10977.006,"end":11004.914,"text":"資通安全法反滲透法兩岸人民關係條例的修正等等這些完全沒有受到在野黨任何支持甚至他們是阻撓所以我唯一想到的一個在野黨這次研會的理由就是國民黨的立委們對於自己那麼沒有信心難道認為一定會被罷免所以"},{"start":11020.948,"end":11023.833,"text":"好 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人民是不能接受的那我現在要來講說到底是不是為了自己要撐起這個保護傘看這個答案很簡單怎麼看就知道因為連法定會期都不認真不正經的開了還說你要研會"},{"start":11261.326,"end":11278.982,"text":"法定會期期間的開會 都不像樣 都沒有認真開你說你還想要研會 那是在騙笑欸那法定會期的開會是什麼樣子啊各位 召委叫我們在委員會開會發言時間4分鐘 發言時間6分鐘 發言時間8分鐘"},{"start":11286.687,"end":11292.1,"text":"大家都心知肚明啦委員會開會只能講四分鐘的會議這是認真開會嗎"},{"start":11297.048,"end":11315.397,"text":"如果認真開會 召委也不要急著就散會當我們要求我還要再討論 要二輪發言國民黨的召委就不允許啊所以我們在這裡講說 如果在法定會期期間認真開會的話 會經常排考察嗎"},{"start":11320.184,"end":11325.92,"text":"不但經常排考察而且中午就散會法定會期內"},{"start":11328.379,"end":11355.905,"text":"早早就散會餒遇到不討論爭議的時候有爭議的時候不討論也直接散會發言時間比短的所以在這裡你跟人家說你法定會期期間的開會都不像開會了你還說你要認真的研會騙笑騙鬼嘛這個籃球比賽啊有一種時間叫垃圾時間啊"},{"start":11358.533,"end":11387.608,"text":"如果是為了替自己的違法撐起保護傘硬是為了這個而延會這個叫做立法院的垃圾時間啦立法院的垃圾時間越來越長人民會更看不起我們立法院只會讓人民越來越瞧不起立委啦垃圾時間不要這樣子自己羞辱我們自己立法院"},{"start":11390.718,"end":11394.099,"text":"謝謝林委員 下一位請王美惠委員發言主席 各位董事跟電視上的鄉親家庭 大家好在今天有早上說到現在"},{"start":11417.766,"end":11427.054,"text":"為了國民黨要開火的日子 我想啊想 我有操作在那裡到現在我認為說到尾 當年的標準 一樣也不好 高飛飛車"},{"start":11438.986,"end":11455.381,"text":"在這個過程當中 我覺得我們做立委 國會有國會的款要不然我們的財政 一些黨人都會奉勸說跟你們的立委是這樣喔 是這個水準喔我們不開會 改開不開"},{"start":11464.264,"end":11479.154,"text":"現在過去95年代以來 說要延期 要延期也沒關係整條國家的權利 整條社會的福利 我們的延期都沒關係 我們的健康也要拼"},{"start":11486.059,"end":11499.35,"text":"因為百姓選出來就是要讓這個國家更好如果百姓的管理更好但是在這個過程當中我們看不出來說要過的30億以後延期到超過30億是要做什麼"},{"start":11514.019,"end":11519.162,"text":"在這個過程當中 我相信大家都看得出來這兩檔的秘笈就是在後面所以要有國會的保護傘以前的時代 如果你選了你的一屆 都不能任何人問"},{"start":11538.351,"end":11547.943,"text":"現在你若有機會,說話不可以讓你問,不可以叫你問,既然你說不是為了你的保護身份而去開會,你若有勇氣,"},{"start":11556.072,"end":11562.496,"text":"自己主動去點選 去公立這個選舉是否有規則分析啊沒有啦因為這個過程"},{"start":11571.141,"end":11587.07,"text":"百姓都看現實,看出來這兩黨是在為自己還是為國家所以百姓的煩惱,我相信大家都知道所以我一定大暴行大成功"},{"start":11616.961,"end":11622.648,"text":"歷史是一面鏡子 亦是一面照妖鏡憲法六十八條規定 立法院會期每年兩次"},{"start":11632.011,"end":11657.646,"text":"第一次2月1號到5月31號 四個月第二次在9月1號到12月31號各有四個月的時間四個月我們要做哪些事情要做這個施政總諮詢要做各部會的施政報告要做法案審查雙數會期還要做預算審查四個月我們充分把握一定可以把這些工作做完但是你看到很多藍委"},{"start":11659.224,"end":11681.857,"text":"四個月期間沒有任何法律提案也沒有任何好的出席率 評鑒非常之差正常會期都沒有辦法把事情做好你要研會 研會要必要性啦必要性不是空白授權啦各位全國的好朋友 我從第八屆"},{"start":11684.298,"end":11701.45,"text":"2012 進來立法院服務 經過三個院長 王晉平院長 蘇江學院院長 還有游錫堃院長八屆第一會期 因為新內閣施政總之群 我們延會15天第二會期 因為總預算延長15天"},{"start":11704.332,"end":11718.048,"text":"第八屆第四會期因為總預算延長14天第八屆第六會期延長23天也是因為總預算只要是雙四會期總預算成不完就要去延長這是必要性"},{"start":11719.656,"end":11747.15,"text":"然後呢第九屆因為林全院長520上海要必須要完成他的施政諮詢所以必要性延長施政總諮詢所以當時第九屆第一會期延長了45天好 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那你至少根據立法院職員新設法第5條必須有20兩字附議來提出要延長會議那延長會議要做什麼沒有"},{"start":12627.614,"end":12638.183,"text":"我們立法院的議事規則第31條今天是要討論我還記得去年的時候我們的青鳥們說沒有討論不是民主"},{"start":12639.09,"end":12663.718,"text":"但是今天明明白白擺著一個只有提案沒有說明這是什麼我們來看一下議事規則第三條說今天我們在這裡要首先三個事情要說明提案意旨請問提案人有說明提案意旨嗎好吧那不然說來報告審查的意旨今天那個提案連說明都沒有不知如何審查"},{"start":12664.434,"end":12685.748,"text":"最後我們容許討論的時候來表達質疑跟答辯今天我們政法委員提出的質疑沒有看到提案的黨團有答辯啊所以我第一次到現在兩個分鐘了還不曉得我們這個提案能進行怎麼討論今天我們剛剛省法委員總結了有說要撐起保護傘的"},{"start":12686.869,"end":12695.622,"text":"有說是因為罷免前需要回去進行選區有說因為接下來不曉得還有沒有明天乾脆垃圾時間拿來消耗一下"},{"start":12696.918,"end":12722.144,"text":"與其這些所有的光怪錄影的情況現在國民黨的委員在這裡剩不到十位而且剛剛還要求延後表決時間我們明明現在就可以進行表決討論完了就要表決為什麼要下午兩點半總而言之經過整個上午再次的空轉我們看到提案的黨團要當心水小偷看到我們努力爭取發言討論機會的民進黨的成員絞盡腦汁"},{"start":12726.625,"end":12749.971,"text":"來要求了解研會的動機研會的目的研會的意旨是什麼沒有答案所以我們要衝一句沒有討論不是民主沒有提案無需研會好 謝謝鍾委員報告委員會登記發言的委員均已發言完畢報告委員會上午的會議進行到此下午2點30分繼續開會進行本案之處理現在休息 謝謝"},{"start":21578.585,"end":21593.756,"text":"來 報告院會我們現在繼續進行開會本案的處理現有國民黨黨團替本案照案通過請問院會有無異議有異議有異議我們就要進行表決我們現在開始按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡現在開始"},{"start":22027.315,"end":22052.188,"text":"好 報告 各位院會 各位委員的表決卡都有拿到嗎好 都有拿到 現在我們開始表決針對國民黨黨團所提議延長會議的這個提案 如果贊成的請按贊成 反對的請按反對現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決 贊成按贊成 反對按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始"},{"start":22125.458,"end":22144.97,"text":"法院會報告表決結果在場委員出席107位贊成58位反對49位贊成者多數國民黨黨團提議照案通過法院會我們現在做以下決議第11屆第三會期延長會期至114年7月31日"},{"start":22150.612,"end":22156.841,"text":"外媒陳雪生委員發表聲明對上週五的表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄"},{"start":22159.209,"end":22181.571,"text":"報告院會 本院王洪威委員等 針對本案之決議提出附議並請院會隨即表決處理報告院會 現在我們來進行處理本件的附議案現在進行表決針對王洪威委員等人所提附議案現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":22263.698,"end":22282.171,"text":"現在我們來進行本案完成程序後的委員登記發言並截止登記我想各位黨團幹部是不是要到主席休息室我們來溝通一下好不好那我們現在休息請各黨團幹部到主席休息室來我們的溝通 謝謝"},{"start":23376.806,"end":23387.406,"text":"抱怨会我们现在继续开会进行讨论事项第三案完成程序之后的发言每位委员发言时间两分钟首先我们请吴思瑶委员发言"},{"start":23396.987,"end":23416.94,"text":"主席各位同仁 研會到7月31號的提案是史上立法院研會最久的一次 足足要研兩個月要研兩個月的提案就如大家手上 只有暗游 內容沒有半個字的說明"},{"start":23418.261,"end":23438.33,"text":"憲法68條所規定的立法院的議程會議的時間是有必要時得言會請問言會到7月31號有什麼必要是誰的必要國民黨是不會說明還是不敢說明呢"},{"start":23439.21,"end":23462.209,"text":"今天全台灣都知道了國民黨要研會就是要為自己撐起國會的保護傘為自己的不法及犯罪來躲避司法的偵辦非常諷刺上一周在這裡我們才剛通過妨礙司法公正罪的刑法修正"},{"start":23463.07,"end":23483.368,"text":"那麼利用言會來躲避司法的偵辦讓涉案的立委享有司法的特權是不是一種變相的妨礙司法公正呢但是這些都不重要因為你們表決贏了你們已經拿到空白授權拿到上方保健"},{"start":23484.369,"end":23499.176,"text":"研會到底要審什麼案可不可以來審台灣人民期待很久的國安法案呢今天就在今天中午的程序委員會民進黨所提的國安法案被你們擋了第407次"},{"start":23502.796,"end":23519.632,"text":"研會可不可以來審國安法案不要再檔案呢如果研會是要繼續毀憲亂政繼續禍國殃民就是為你們自己的被罷免案來添柴火"},{"start":23523.03,"end":23546.358,"text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言報告院會議場二樓旁盯的來自台灣歐洲中心及法國國防高等研究院青年學子Welcome to TaiwanLegislative Young我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言王逸川委員請準備莊瑞雄委員請發言"},{"start":23561.106,"end":23589.267,"text":"謝謝主席 在場所有的好朋友 研會案通過了但是呢 藍白所有的好朋友 門心自問通過這樣的一個研會 你真的那麼想要開會嗎我看早上 中國國民黨或者台灣民眾黨的委員我看你們就不是跟你們說要開會你們在現場就沒看到你們了接下來 我們也請我們國人同胞可以好好地看一看"},{"start":23590.404,"end":23617.517,"text":"到七月底這次的研會裡面到底有多少的政黨尤其是我們最大的在野黨通過了這個研會以後他到底在做些什麼在各委員會裡面大家好好的來瞧一瞧我們今天在程序委員會啊在程序委員會啊國民黨把跟台灣民政黨聯手又把其他政黨那當然就是執政黨"},{"start":23619.368,"end":23643.473,"text":"所有的提案裡面啊就通過他自己框定他自己想要的案子所以呢嘴巴講的是一套實際上呢真正在開會的時候自己的提案通過以後又是另外一套他排除其他只有他是自己想喜歡的案子他才會排進去好啦 那真正排進去以後各位再來看看"},{"start":23645.575,"end":23672.514,"text":"我們正式在各委員會裡面你會看到幾乎各委員會裡面排的都是考察通過研會的政黨我們也期待啊我們也期待啊在各個委員會裡面啊好好坐在委員會裡面好好為你所謂的福國利民的民生法案好好的去把它盯緊不要到最後人又不見蛋了"},{"start":23673.683,"end":23685.41,"text":"我大膽的預告啊今天其實啊通過這樣的淫威案啊只是幫我們的司法後續啊這個死亡連署案啊這個偽造案啊 綁手謝謝張瑞雄委員的發言接下來請王逸川委員發言張雅玲委員請準備"},{"start":23707.803,"end":23723.31,"text":"好 謝謝主席剛剛下午兩點半通過了法案啊國民黨的這一個可能會被約談的立委啊正式張開保護傘到7月31號各位這兩三個位你們都放心嗎"},{"start":23726.155,"end":23739.137,"text":"沒人會把你們安慰這就是民眾黨加國民黨聯手幫國民黨的立委啦一些什麼死亡連署的啦一些有的沒的啦會出事啦"},{"start":23740.598,"end":23767.884,"text":"通通張開這個保護傘動到7月31號現在大家就要關心說所以6月到7月到底在開什麼花如果都沒在開還是大亂闖就證實了我們今天講的話你們就是只想要張開保護傘只想張開保護傘其實對你們的選舉沒什麼幫助啦你們去用大罷免、大成功叫保護傘也沒關係啦"},{"start":23769.985,"end":23776.047,"text":"會被抓就被抓 逃得了7月31號 逃不了8月1號啦要抓也是抓啦 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美國怎麼做這個都是在休會期間非常重要的交流事項更不要講說在我們的國防領域裡面有更多並沒有辦法在這邊講的一些溝通事項"},{"start":24644.045,"end":24661.96,"text":"所以藍白這樣的一個方式不但是不認真就算了現在人也都不在他更是不斷的在阻礙我們的國際交流所以我們還是一樣反對這一個研會雖然已經三讀了謝謝好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來我們請登記第十號最後一位鍾嘉斌委員請發言"},{"start":24675.589,"end":24702.601,"text":"沒有感言只有預言看著前面的保護傘我們接下來做三個預言面臨到大罷免國民黨即將面臨罷免的委員會做什麼事情呢第一大施壓怎麼施壓呢就在上星期藍白聯手通過的一個刑法修正案關說有罪施壓可以"},{"start":24703.444,"end":24726.938,"text":"接下來六七兩個月開委員會我們就不斷的看到不管是民眾黨還是國民黨藉著立法委員之間的行使來施壓對於司法單位施壓對於檢調單位施壓就要逃避躲在國會的保護傘下對他們所犯的妨礙選舉公正的罪逃避 施壓"},{"start":24728.288,"end":24750.523,"text":"第二個大買票面對的大罷免他們怎麼買票來大家看一下就拿著要進入院會的有三個提案要修改軍人待遇條例要說不得低於基本工資要隨著通貨膨脹CPI來調整漲價然後軍保的保費要全部政府負擔然後退伍軍官子女教育"},{"start":24751.903,"end":24778.177,"text":"補助費 另外預算法要補發現金發紅包還有連原住民 國民黨 五黨之類的差一腳缺額就要補選這些都是買票的證件面對大罷免 他們只好通過研會再提出更多更多的買票證件來逃避自己被選民的制裁如果真的這兩個都不行大施壓不行 大買票不行您接下來就看到大辭職"},{"start":24780.039,"end":24797.714,"text":"這裡鄭重的預告接下來我們看到那些眼見難以逃避罷免結果的國民黨委員就會辭職因為辭職呢一樣可以補選補選後可以重來這就是我們看到國民黨提出啊原住民立委缺額及補選的最主要原因我們等著看"},{"start":24799.414,"end":24818.372,"text":"好 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台灣沒有辦法"},{"start":25220.933,"end":25242.949,"text":"台灣的幅員沒那麼大 當如果河山發生河災的時候 發生河暴的時候整個台灣就死掉了整個台灣就死掉了 怎麼能夠用所謂公投來讓它經過安全評估之後還可以讓它恢復運轉"},{"start":25245.351,"end":25268.393,"text":"這個沒有辦法有人可以接受我們拜託國民黨民眾黨回頭是岸不要把台灣人民的安全開玩笑不要讓台灣人民的安全變成政治議題我們很沉痛居然今天在討論這樣子會影響台灣人民安全的議題"},{"start":25274.908,"end":25280.354,"text":"好 謝謝陳廷輝委員發言接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言 鍾嘉斌委員請準備"},{"start":25298.032,"end":25324.878,"text":"主席 各位同仁民眾黨要討論要把核酸恢復然後要把它列為公投議題那事實上我在前幾天在討論核管法的時候我就講過了台灣的核能的發電最主要我們沒有乾式的儲存場在沒有乾式的儲存場的前提之下我們所有發電核能發電的燃料棒都把它放在燃料池"},{"start":25325.751,"end":25337.968,"text":"也是因為這樣所以合一廠合二廠提前除役因為燃料池已經滿了那沒有乾式的儲存廠沒辦法大家的燃料棒拿去外面放所以合一合二提前除役"},{"start":25338.715,"end":25358.457,"text":"那河山廠咧 它的二號機 它的燃料池的所有也只剩下13%我在經紀委員會 我特別問台電的總經理在這13%到底可以用多久總經理 讓我說 差不多三年 讓你比較厲害就是五年"},{"start":25360.353,"end":25387.676,"text":"那所以我要跟民眾黨說你們的荒謬在哪裡我們河山廠你現在要提一個公投你一個公投要舉辦可能要花十億的一個預算那你辦了這樣的一個公投結果河山讓它恢復使用然後因為你沒有乾釋儲存廠你也是就繼續燃料池來經營這十三般動三噸祭火噸你是不是要讓台灣人爭笑"},{"start":25389.67,"end":25411.402,"text":"因為河山廠讓它重複運轉也是為了這三天到五天的時間那你還不如好好的去思考我們台灣到底要怎樣的能源可以長治久安可以永續的一個能源結果你們再搞一個只夠三年到五年燃料池的河山廠"},{"start":25412.83,"end":25429.999,"text":"那我要跟藍白再講核三廠二號機在他沒有除疫前他的占比的差不多是3%左右所有發電的一個3%所以在核三廠除疫前有3%剩的核能發電"},{"start":25431.4,"end":25458.008,"text":"那你剩下的可能有水力發電有火力發電那也有所謂的太陽能有風力發電那當然風力發電在夏天的時候會比冬天的時候發電效率來的差太陽能發電白天會比晚上來的好結果你們藍白就故意去製造去製造說你看現在火力全開所以我們台灣只剩火力發電亂講一通"},{"start":25460.802,"end":25482.739,"text":"事實上整個能源白天太陽能發電的時候我們現在發展儲能就是在於太陽日頭日光在那個當下儲能馬上銜接起來那我要跟南白講一個很客觀的事實現在很多儲能電廠咧他們做儲能了解什麼因為台電沒有跟他"},{"start":25500.257,"end":25506.881,"text":"好 谢谢蔡议员的发言接下来请中加兵委员发言徐副魁委员请准备"},{"start":25519.96,"end":25542.187,"text":"果不其然今天的廣泛討論只有廣泛沒有討論因為提案的委員又落跑了完全沒有對話的意思我們跟你講道理你們置之不理那我們來講物理我們來講牛頓三大運動定律第一運動定律動者橫動進者合進在沒有外力的情況之下我們來看看這個公投主文"},{"start":25543.288,"end":25553.356,"text":"他說河山廠要恢復繼續運轉懂得中文的人知道恢復運轉就是本來是停的我讓它動起來繼續運轉本來是動的我讓它繼續動"},{"start":25558.298,"end":25574.412,"text":"請問一下提案委員我在朝野協商中不斷提醒提案委員國民黨民眾黨你們到底是要已經停的核電廠恢復運轉還是叫核電廠不要停繼續運轉他說不是我們要它恢復繼續運轉"},{"start":25577.469,"end":25591.422,"text":"沒辦法這個物理不通邏輯不通連中文都不通我們來看一下就在上個星期藍白聯手通過了核官法通過核官法他如果說要將核一核二已經停下來的"},{"start":25594.004,"end":25616.3,"text":"恢復運轉 那他就會依法去進行如果在上星期 核三廠還沒有停止運轉的他說你要繼續運轉 那也請你根據核官法來進行根據你們通過的核官法 你們要延長服役年限你要不讓已經停止的核一廠 核二廠恢復運轉要不你讓當時在運轉中的核三廠 你繼續運轉"},{"start":25618.161,"end":25642.046,"text":"現在你到底是要繼續還是要恢復為什麼這個公投主文我不斷的提醒因為這是很少見的根據公投法第15條由立法院提出的公投它該有三個特色第一個它豁免了第9條到第13條由選務機關中選會來進行你提案主文的審查你的提案主文透不通"},{"start":25643.308,"end":25659.391,"text":"沒有人可以幫你做審查你說通就通嗎不對你換了錯就繼續錯第二他排除了第17條第一項第三款的規定也就是行政機關不可以提出審查的意見書不同意見書"},{"start":25660.765,"end":25683.163,"text":"核能政策不是行政院 行政部門在主管的嗎你搞了一個公投 完全說不要聽你的意見就像他們現在 我們在講話 他們不知道在哪裡這樣的公投幹嘛最麻煩的是什麼 還豁免了第19條這樣的郵遞保險麻糬的公投 政策公投如果一旦實現 就可以怎樣"},{"start":25684.304,"end":25711.832,"text":"別的公投就不用投囉這個公投繼續要投換言之如果延會這兩個時間藍白他們透過核官法讓核三廠恢復運轉這個案子通過了全國公民還要再來投一次荒謬之治莫為此勝藍白回去好好想一想至少讀點書謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言接下來我們請徐富奎委員發言邱志維委員請準備"},{"start":25723.471,"end":25746.923,"text":"主席 各位同仁 針對今天這樣子民眾黨的這個提案 我覺得再一次欺負我們善良的民眾人 非常的可惡為什麼只有針對河山廠 要提重新恢復運轉呢河一 河二廠 你也把他提出來 不給他提 為什麼因為你們就是怕被罷免 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是全台灣人的事可以拿人命安全來公投嗎"},{"start":28265.131,"end":28278.845,"text":"何三在5月17號才剛除役非何家園剛上路不到三天藍白就急著要提公投案來讓何能復辟自我打臉"},{"start":28280.373,"end":28304.642,"text":"大家記得嗎過去在細紙參選立委的黃國昌說核能是債留子孫過去在時代力量的黃國昌長期投入肺核遊行他2017的時候他更說核能是錯誤的這一代人要有肩膀請問2025的黃國昌你的肩膀到哪裡去了"},{"start":28309.337,"end":28333.051,"text":"2013新北市長朱立倫他說沒有核安沒有核能新北市長朱立倫說如果沒有辦法處理核廢料憑什麼使用核能2015參選總統的朱立倫候選人更強調他支持非核家園未來也不支持透過公投來啟封核四"},{"start":28333.931,"end":28346.142,"text":"可是現在呢朱立倫你領導的國民黨民眾黨聯手就要用公投來消滅非核家園來讓核能死灰復燃"},{"start":28348.183,"end":28362.153,"text":"張祺凱不見了過去是名嘴的張祺凱他自己說何能是貴的專家都說了馬英九怎麼搞不清楚呢現在最搞不清楚狀況的人就是神隱的張祺凱"},{"start":28364.415,"end":28377.568,"text":"核能議題國會都沒有共識了社會怎麼會有共識藍白聯手惡修了核管法現在還要公投把責任推給人民這是政客謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請張雅玲委員發言吳佩儀委員請準備"},{"start":28396.191,"end":28424.631,"text":"現場的同學以及我們線上觀看直播的公民朋友剛剛聽完了民眾黨唯一留下來的這個陳昭之委員的發言我還是聽不懂說到底為什麼針對核三廠提出了這個公投案因為明明我們就有三座核電廠但是單獨針對核三廠提出的這個公投案到現在這是民眾黨的提案沒有人來做任何的說明"},{"start":28425.939,"end":28431.065,"text":"那接下來呢我也想跟大家在一一的分析我們這個公投組門出現了什麼樣子的問題"},{"start":28432.932,"end":28461.79,"text":"公投的主文是這樣寫的你是否同意第三核能發電廠經主管機關同意確認安全無虞後繼續運轉我告訴大家這是一個先劃把再設建的一個提案他先設計好了結論也就是說繼續運轉再來反過來用一個看似理性的條件包裝就是說主管機關同意確認安全無虞之後他誘導我們的民眾走向他想要的結果"},{"start":28462.851,"end":28478.108,"text":"他想要民眾黨想要可是他卻不敢拿出責任拿出立法委員的這個工作應該做的事情自己來去做立法他只想甩鍋給民眾他想要訴諸民意"},{"start":28479.295,"end":28491.457,"text":"我告訴大家民眾黨一直不停地說自己是務實、科學、理性但在整個提案不管是說明的內容也好完全沒有科學、理性、務實"},{"start":28493.597,"end":28511.696,"text":"簡單的跟大家說過去其實我們在委員會一直不停的在強調今天核電有三個前提必須討論就是核廢如何處置核安如何如何來符合國際的一個標準以及要有地方的共識但是我們不管在委員會討論到現在在這邊討論"},{"start":28515.6,"end":28542.516,"text":"民眾黨還是避而不談完全讓他淪為作為一個政治的操作大家知道嗎在我們的核電廠過去其實是並沒有做這個所謂的環評可是在2000年後的地質調查發現我們運轉桌的核電廠鄰近都有斷層這些事證是台灣地質界都承認的事實所以我們更不該把風險堵在河山岩溢"},{"start":28543.217,"end":28551.006,"text":"這是一個不符合程序正義不符合世代正義不符合我們所謂的族群正義的一個公投案"},{"start":28552.449,"end":28580.109,"text":"那同時呢我也要請大家再跟大家做個強調就是說民眾黨很喜歡講說哎呀沒有核電的時候我們的空汙就會增加事實上2016年我們的核電佔比超過10%但是當時的這個空汙的排放量呢是10.7萬噸可是2024年呢只有3.4萬噸所以這完全是造謠跟抹黑所以民意不是科不是工具我們還是必須務實"},{"start":28589.905,"end":28595.054,"text":"好 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謝謝吳立華委員發言接下來我們請王逸川委員發言 郭育群委員請準備好 謝謝主席以前國民黨這個胎閣政黨用PEN"},{"start":29264.314,"end":29283.324,"text":"騙民黨的民眾騙北海灣的民眾騙男女的民眾說這荷蘭沒問題啦放心啦 會給你們補充啦 用騙的時間到了 現在要把他拐起來郭民黨現在意見那麼多還想要把他打開你動作的創始是去那拋給他記下去就開了喔這麼簡單喔剛才陳昭之理委去講"},{"start":29294.656,"end":29310.781,"text":"我是呼籲陳昭知理委啊 你們心自問啊你當時一定也參加反核啦你當時一定也對著林義雄先生在推動反核啦你把這個帝國 契機給林義雄先生問說這個帝國可以公告嗎?契機問我嗎?不敢說"},{"start":29320.083,"end":29326.229,"text":"特大那時候 也一定有參加飯盒遊行啦我才有參加 他怎麼可能沒有參加三十幾年前 我告訴你 當時也飯盒啊現在拿這個案子 我告訴你你去問林義雄先生 這個案子可以公道嗎他就要表決"},{"start":29346.516,"end":29373.522,"text":"屏東的議心要選擇領域的蘇清泉線上的朋友在看傳播的可能要注意看蘇清泉是贊成還是反對屏東的組織要選擇高雄市長的柯志恩大家要注意看柯志恩是贊成還是反對這群政客 政客回到地盤都站起來連提案的張祺凱也能幹"},{"start":29377.018,"end":29380.721,"text":"陳昭芝從頭到尾無話可說 鬧費事政客 我相信今天如果這個案過 到八月投票進行會有很多鄉村出來說核電廠多安全 非常安全"},{"start":29401.308,"end":29406.232,"text":"何謂要滑倒出力?何謂要滑倒出力?這些廠商會全部跑出來幫民眾黨這個案子加油還要送就對了 這裡的手上絕對會跑出來還要來騙最沒見識的台中市長盧秀燕全台灣都說白了什麼的火力全開 什麼的火力發電 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真的不是好東西啊我說啊 他不止不是好東西 而是壞 壞透了啦好 謝謝郭玉琴委員發言接下來我們請林柱英委員發言 范雲委員請準備"},{"start":29665.462,"end":29686.535,"text":"謝謝主席各位立法院的同仁還有收看直播的朋友們首先我想不知道大家包括民眾黨在內你們的助理有上班嗎黃國昌有上班嗎今天這個公投提案是在立法院當中跟各個委員來表決但是沒有想到他們寫的竟然是敬請全民公決"},{"start":29687.836,"end":29711.884,"text":"我就問黃國昌你們現在通通不敢來全部集體消失是因為連你們自己的案子寫錯都不知道我們去講其實我們今天早上在講國民黨的提案的時候雖然他沒有暗游但至少他有寫是否有當敬請公決這是一個公投案但是不是現在就要全民公投這就是民眾黨的不專業不用功不認真"},{"start":29713.124,"end":29727.259,"text":"今天這樣的一個題目怎麼可以拿來做公投上個禮拜在藍白聯手的情況底下已經粗暴的通過了核管法現在又把公投來當遮羞布繼續要把核安丟給全民來做買單"},{"start":29728.6,"end":29753.425,"text":"藍白不只是霸凌各種專業現在是要把他骯髒的手也伸向台電我就說其實和安運轉的問題這絕對不是開玩笑的核廢料要放哪裡我想大家都知道這是一個非常嚴重的題目但是民眾黨現在拋出核三廠恢復運轉的這樣一個公投案要把責任推卸給全國人民嗎我就問"},{"start":29755.004,"end":29775.677,"text":"現在這個所謂的整體安全評估後恢復運轉評估是誰來定那麼程序又怎麼監督核廢料又要放哪裡當然我知道國民黨一個即將要被罷免的徐巧芯曾經說要把核廢料放在你家但是身為台北市民新北市民也不希望真的放在你家因為廢料就在旁邊"},{"start":29776.778,"end":29799.913,"text":"所以就算要放你家台灣民眾也不相信也不希望這樣的核廢料就沒有處理沒有核安的情況底下來進行然後對於黃國昌這個當年你說要消滅國民黨要反核的人你曾經來選過汐止的立委現在你身為民眾黨的黨主席又是總召結果拿出這樣一個公投案"},{"start":29801.314,"end":29823.526,"text":"聽說他等一下會排在最後一個發言但是在現場我們現在有這麼多的民進黨委員都告訴你和安最重要 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謝謝林柱雲委員的發言走路請小心抱怨會我們本次會議沒有委員提出臨時提案就不進行臨時提案之處理另外依照黨團共事我們定於今天下午五點三十分進行表決院會處理本案完畢之後我們再行散會接下來我們請范雲委員發言林俊憲委員請準備"},{"start":29886.285,"end":29913.01,"text":"剛剛我們王逸川委員問黃國昌敢不敢去請問林義雄先生到底能不能公投這樣一個公投文我想他不敢是不敢去請問他應該不敢想起林義雄先生因為當年如果沒有林義雄的支持我想我們細止的立委應該會是省發會因為當時省發會的民調事實上就可以打贏國民黨的委員"},{"start":29913.57,"end":29933.253,"text":"那我想他今天我要以林義雄的一段話如果黃國昌有在聽的話在2014年林義雄他就說我認為他在當時絕食的時候我認為台電低估了核電廠除液及核廢料終極處理的費用所以核電不像台電說的那麼的便宜"},{"start":29933.934,"end":29958.191,"text":"我想這句話到今天都還是有效的現在我們在說所謂核電成本低的時候完全沒有把核廢料終極處理的費用算入也沒有算入重啟的費用希望台電真的能夠精算除了這個部分要請問黃國昌之外我也想在我剛才看到的這個提案文裡面我覺得至少有一個小錯跟兩個大錯"},{"start":29959.432,"end":29983.709,"text":"一個小錯是剛剛鍾嘉賓委員也有提到他這個文字根本就不應該是繼續運轉因為核電廠已經停業了所以精確的說是重啟運轉那他為什麼要用繼續運轉就是希望能夠渾水摸魚讓大家感受不到一個重啟的一個費用跟一個壓力因為剛之前我們就講過全世界"},{"start":29984.249,"end":30002.595,"text":"在除疫後重啟的核電廠到目前為止並沒有成功的例子美國有的例子也還在申請當中另外兩個大錯第一個是他裡面提到應對氣候變遷歐盟於2022年正式將核能"},{"start":30003.875,"end":30019.983,"text":"核能登入為綠色能源我想這個就是黃國昌最擅長做的扭曲國外的訊息事實是能夠被納入所謂的等同綠能而且不是就是綠能的有嚴格的條件叫做DNSH"},{"start":30021.624,"end":30049.412,"text":"Do no significant harm翻成中文是不能造成顯著傷害必須是中低核廢料有最終處置場高階的核廢料處置場要有具體的計畫所以台灣根本就不符合這樣的標準所以黃國昌這是他慣常的扭曲國外的訊息另外一個關於國安的風險黃國昌一直不願意面對的是他在裡面講到就是"},{"start":30050.052,"end":30069.604,"text":"不用核電會有國安風險上次我曾經提到IAEA國際原子能總署提出武裝衝突衝核電廠安全保障七大支柱但是俄羅斯因為未遵守國際公約已經讓烏克蘭的核電廠每一項支柱都受到傷害直到今天"},{"start":30074.957,"end":30100.217,"text":"謝謝范營委員走路請小心我們接下來請林俊憲委員發言陳素月委員請準備謝謝主席 朋友同仁我們台灣在上個禮拜六5月17日河山二號機關開台灣正式進入恢河家園大家要回想一下"},{"start":30101.375,"end":30121.823,"text":"我們面對今天國民黨跟民眾黨要再延長核電廠的運轉連線想一想2011年日本福島核災的時候馬英九總統公宣布核一核二核三不研議2014年就是馬英九把核四封存"},{"start":30123.423,"end":30129.885,"text":"2015年的11月4日,當時國民黨的董事長叫朱立倫,他正式發新聞告,說台灣要來推動非核家園,因為核廢料沒辦法處理。來看民眾黨的董事長,"},{"start":30144.403,"end":30160.088,"text":"黃國昌啦 黃國昌在2016年走上街頭參加反核遊行2018年 那時候台灣公投核四要不要商業運轉黃國昌是反對的辯論方的代表我們現在看一看 這些人都像是詐騙集團的以前說過 現在大家又要來恢復核電"},{"start":30170.148,"end":30188.84,"text":"核電廠要關起來 這政府早就說他不是臨時關起來所以我們早就要有準備 只有今年啦 今年併年發電量就差不多核二加核三的四倍半 四點五倍所以國民黨一直要把核電廠關起來 台灣會缺電喔這是在誣導民眾 這根本就是胡說八道啦"},{"start":30195.677,"end":30207.14,"text":"你會看到這幾年來台中、大潭、新達就有七部機組總發電量是核二加核三,五倍以上所以我們要了解,核電廠運送到關門都很麻煩那不就要炒到炒到,還要再燃起來核二廠已經停機兩年多"},{"start":30223.752,"end":30230.136,"text":"核二廠要停 要給我們的核安委申請廚藝兩年多 廚藝計畫書還沒有審查通過要改前的核電廠 核二廠 兩年多這個廚藝計畫書還沒有審查過核三 你現在 國民黨說要延長它要延長也要審廚藝 法律規定你給它廚藝就請救 兩三年你不一定辦得到"},{"start":30251.371,"end":30268.686,"text":"你要重新啟動 行政議員說最快要三年半了這樣你加加起來 你用這個電 要來救什麼缺電 你要胡說八道更何況啦 還不乖進行啦 現在核電廠發電量減到4%啦所以這個公投案實在是標準的莫名其妙啦 不知道你在說什麼 騙民眾啦"},{"start":30275.265,"end":30281.215,"text":"好 謝謝林靜憲委員的發言接下來我們請陳樹越委員發言蘇巧慧委員請準備"},{"start":30294.828,"end":30310.479,"text":"主席各位同仁我們看到過去民眾黨的主席黃國昌高舉反核的大旗也親自參與這個反核遊行針對反核的發言超過十次以上每次都義正辭言而民眾黨的張祺凱也曾經說"},{"start":30312.76,"end":30324.852,"text":"核四包括所有的核電是最貴的不是最便宜的連專家都已經講了馬總統為什麼還搞不清楚呢而今天民眾黨卻提出第三核能發電廠經過整體安全評估後恢復繼續運轉的公投案"},{"start":30329.737,"end":30353.905,"text":"實在是令人匪夷所思依照現行的核管法我們看到核電廠的運轉執照是有期限的藉其如果要繼續運轉必須在到期五年前依法提出研議的申請我們看到核三二號機的執照在上個禮拜六五月十七號到期進入了這個除役的一個程序這個不是政治的一個決定而是依法行政的結果"},{"start":30354.645,"end":30382.264,"text":"更重要的是即使这项公投通过了也仍然需要修法才能推动研议因此这项公投说穿了只是政治的操作并没有实质的一个效益张其凯说核三除以后少了核能发电因为电力不足所以致使这个火力发电厂的火力全开造成空气污染事实上这是在造谣因为我们看到这个统计的数字这是科学的"},{"start":30383.064,"end":30408.347,"text":"核能發電只佔總發電量的3%少了3%的核能發電就缺電這種言論根本就是在騙三歲小孩政府早已因應AI半導體產業成長與電動化的趨勢持續地進行電力規劃多個燃氣與再生能源新機組將在未來幾年陸續上線累計新增容量遠高於核三廠除以後的電力"},{"start":30409.348,"end":30426.078,"text":"損失政府每年都會滾動檢討用電需求與電源的開發並不是閉門造車我們要的是穩定可以持續又安全的電力而非走回頭路所以核電的演繹不是簡單一句安全評估後就能重啟的"},{"start":30426.918,"end":30446.216,"text":"它必須是經過設備全面的檢查耐震補強國際核安審查更重要的是核廢料要怎麼處理誰來同意目前不論是乾式的儲存設施還是最終的處置廠都遇到地方民眾強烈的一個反對這些問題並不是透過公投就能解決的"},{"start":30447.177,"end":30469.699,"text":"記得2012年的時候,台電有意在花蓮秀林鄉和平村來選定核廢料的最終處置場,在做地質探勘的時候,當時的花蓮縣長傅坤祺就強調,若傳聞屬實,將率員入民北上出草抗爭。請問傅坤祺,你的立場改變了嗎?同意讓核廢料放在花蓮嗎?"},{"start":30470.72,"end":30479.562,"text":"所以 核酸營業不是單純的能源選項它牽涉的是法律 技術 安全 財政社會共識等多重的層次"},{"start":30501.378,"end":30506.375,"text":"好 謝謝陳素月委員的發言我們接下來請蘇巧慧委員發言李昆城委員請準備"},{"start":30515.421,"end":30537.66,"text":"主席各位同仁早上我們在這裡問國民黨你們要研會的提案只有暗游沒有說明連白紙黑字都不敢寫出來到底在怕什麼現在我們要問民眾黨你們提了一個案要全國的人民花錢辦公頭陪你一起來投票"},{"start":30538.5,"end":30553.714,"text":"結果連在這裡上來做提案說明我是說一個一個每一個民眾黨在這裡的代表通通應該上來就你們黨的立場做辯護做說明你們都不在你們都不敢上來請問你們在怕什麼"},{"start":30556.417,"end":30575.124,"text":"各位我一直以為自己是在擔任立法委員在國會我們提出法案解決國家的問題但是我們發現國民黨和民眾黨的委員好像不是這樣我們已經整整用兩個月的時間在這裡討論的都是公投議題而且這些公投議題啊"},{"start":30576.044,"end":30596.435,"text":"不但主文不清楚 內容不清楚甚至還有些根本就不應該出現在這裡成為題目早上不是在說要提這些扶國立民的法案嗎結果通通都在處理公投題目已經整整兩個月浪費院會時間的就是你國民黨跟民眾黨不是這樣嗎"},{"start":30597.475,"end":30617.042,"text":"然後才來提言會從早上到現在兩個加起來大家還看不懂前面擺在這裡的雨傘是什麼意思嗎還看不懂保護傘的意思是什麼嗎這就是藍白委員聯手在破壞國家破壞國會秩序再一次展現在全國人的面前"},{"start":30618.206,"end":30642.35,"text":"我們要說 核三的二號機確實就是在5月17禮拜六的晚上10點發電量歸零台灣進入了非核家園的時代種種的地質學研究可以看得出來使用核電在台灣就是一場豪賭難道屏東人就應該繼續生活在這樣的風險當中嗎為什麼民眾黨會提出這樣的案子"},{"start":30643.05,"end":30659.497,"text":"還有核廢料呢難道要一直留在新北嗎你們上個禮拜的核管法第6條你們也提出了讓核電廠可以研議甚至可以重啟這樣的暗油你們也同意了這就是民眾黨的立場我們再次的說沒有核安"},{"start":30663.399,"end":30689.457,"text":"沒有核電不能處理核備料就沒有資格談核電這是我們一貫的立場但是今天的民眾黨投下了贊成票核管法第六條的修正傷透了新北人的心今天的公投案傷透了屏東人的心傷透了台灣人的心等一下的投票大家可以來看看"},{"start":30690.077,"end":30697.309,"text":"民眾黨說的什麼 扶國利民民眾黨說要節省國家的納稅錢事實是呈現在這樣好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員發言接下來我們請李昆城委員發言吳秉瑞委員請準備"},{"start":30722.749,"end":30738.275,"text":"好 謝謝主席那這個案子呢公投提案的這個是民眾黨的黨團那民眾黨黨團現在沒有一個人坐在位子上早上數了還有兩個人現在沒有一個人坐在位子上"},{"start":30739.575,"end":30762.36,"text":"這個提案是民眾黨黨團所提的結果沒有一個人在位之上要為他們所提的這個公投的提案來做說明那早上我看國民黨還有四個委員在現在我看只剩下兩個委員在那為什麼三個抱歉三個委員在那為什麼民眾黨剩兩個國民黨剩三個"},{"start":30764.58,"end":30786.569,"text":"那這麼重要的一個公投的提案沒有人要上來辯護因為他們不怕嘛等一下五點半這個表決這個鈴聲一響的時候你就看到國民黨跟民眾黨員就進來了進來投票了嘛他們最重要就是進來投票而已嘛什麼樣的民主的審議過程他們根本就不要嘛"},{"start":30787.469,"end":30807.346,"text":"我來跟大家看一下今天520因為今天民眾黨提案就是說如果核酸不重啟的話台灣沒有電今天520我們的核能發電就是零啊核能發電就是零啊那用電量最多的是這個發電量最多的是這個燃氣佔了33%然後太陽能呢佔了25%"},{"start":30812.19,"end":30825.271,"text":"核電是零啊因為我們在5月17號的時候核生產的二號機就已經停役了嘛就除役了嘛所以呢從5月17號之後呢台灣就開始進入了非核家園那台灣的電夠不夠用"},{"start":30828.066,"end":30848.641,"text":"台灣一定夠用啊 按照今天的電力資訊台灣今天最大的供電能力4460萬千瓦充電供應 亮的是綠燈嘛所以根本就不是民眾黨或是說國民黨所講的萬一沒有這個核三了 台灣就要缺電了"},{"start":30849.702,"end":30874.673,"text":"而且啊 這個公投案的主文呢 也很莫名其妙因為呢 早在這個5月13號5月13號 國民黨跟民眾黨呢就已經通過了這個核官法第六條的修正案這第六條修正案是講什麼 他說呢核電的機組呢 得延長轉運年限 最長的是20年所以呢 40年加20年呢 這核電廠呢 最多可以這個"},{"start":30876.114,"end":30897.994,"text":"工作60年這60年期間呢就等於是說未來有可能保留了河山在重新除役之後再重啟的這一個這法律的依據所以國民黨跟民眾黨已經透過河關法的修法企圖讓河山場起死回生了那為什麼特別還要弄這個公投"},{"start":30898.915,"end":30915.841,"text":"這公投啊 根本就是配合國民黨在823的一個打手嘛國民黨的兩個公投還不夠 民眾在哪謝謝李坤城委員發言接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員發言許智傑委員請準備"},{"start":30927.622,"end":30956.194,"text":"主席各位同仁5月17號核三廠二號機正式停機過去的謊言說沒有核電台灣的電不夠請問5月17到今天520已經整整三天這三天台灣有缺電嗎台灣如果缺電是不是就是要全面性的停電呢結果沒有這三天運轉都很順暢這第一個謊言已經被揭穿了"},{"start":30957.082,"end":30975.413,"text":"再來今天的公投組很好笑喔你如果同意第三核能發電廠金主管機關同意確認安全無虞喔全世界工業非常發達技術很先進的三個國家美國他的核電曾經有三里島核災"},{"start":30977.39,"end":31002.822,"text":"俄羅斯他的車洛比核能事件日本福島核災三個最先進的工業技術國家都發生了核能的災難這難道是巧合嗎難道這些國家在允許這些核能運轉的時候他們的主管機關是認為這些安全是有問題的然後還讓它運轉嗎顯然不是嘛"},{"start":31006.189,"end":31025.446,"text":"每一個核能發電廠 無論是在美國 無論是在俄羅斯 或是在日本它運轉的時候 他們國家的主管機關當然是認為安全無虞 所以要讓它運轉小弟在念大學 念研究所的時候就參加反核的這個運動"},{"start":31027.418,"end":31053.444,"text":"反核運動裡面有一個風險的概念跟一般人風險的概念機率是不一樣的它裡面講的讓我很感動的是什麼叫風險就是非常不幸發生了之後你有沒有承受的能力如果你有承受的能力那你就是可以承擔這個風險如果你沒有承受的能力那就是沒有辦法承受這個風險"},{"start":31055.199,"end":31079.227,"text":"如果從這一點來看日本的福島核災發生在福島結果台灣 中國 世界 韓國周邊的國家把他的災害區域範圍至少都劃到了千葉縣大家知道福島核地方 核能發電廠的地方到千葉縣的最南邊距離超過300公里"},{"start":31082.708,"end":31112.08,"text":"台灣的核酸廠雖然在恆春萬一非常不幸發生風險的時候300公里是劃到哪裡整個台灣都被毀了所以如果發生了這個狀況的話我認為這個風險是我們全體台灣人承擔不起的真正的風險所以我說這個公投主文完全是在欺騙世界欺騙社會欺騙台灣民眾黨提這些公投的主文"},{"start":31114.548,"end":31116.309,"text":"好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員的發言接下來我們請許智傑委員發言張宏祿委員請準備"},{"start":31139.977,"end":31163.426,"text":"何主席大家好我想河山研議剛剛很多同事已經講過了安全的問題核廢料的問題這些種種都影響到我們南部我想跟大家再分享一個不一樣的觀念就是為什麼老是南部的電要生產的比較多"},{"start":31164.226,"end":31185.394,"text":"北部的電就不用生產台北我們的有反三接反低溫暖發電反超超臨界電廠等等的這一些只要在北部的北部的都不同意那為什麼國民黨和民眾黨偏偏要把這個電再放在我們高雄"},{"start":31186.932,"end":31208.955,"text":"再放在我們屏東我想國民黨應該檢討你們老是用北部觀點沒有想到南電北送把污染通通留在我們南部然後把經濟留在北部然後你從南部生產很多的電從整個輸配電的觀點它南部送到北部送到中部送到北部它還有耗電電損的問題"},{"start":31211.092,"end":31239.099,"text":"所以呢 我們要大聲的呼籲若北部電不夠就應該在地設電廠而非一直要南部負責在地發電 在地使用所以呢 我想國民黨要深刻的檢討現在你們在南部都選雙門給我們因為你們都沒想到我們南部的人會痛苦嘛你們都懷疑你們自己而已嘛所以為什麼國民黨老是在南部地區通通選不上這個是國民黨應該要自己要檢討的問題"},{"start":31241.537,"end":31255.508,"text":"我們來看核廢料像新北市這個儲存槽你看侯友宜動多久新北市的儲存槽擋了那麼久"},{"start":31256.269,"end":31273.339,"text":"那現在呢我們的河山呢事實上民進黨的反核除了剛剛很多人提到在地震帶之外那還有斷層那現在呢其實還有設備老化的問題這些你如果貿然就研議事實上它的風險真的會更高"},{"start":31274.259,"end":31299.086,"text":"所以呢為什麼這個高風險發電一樣還要再留在南部剛提到的污染要留南部經濟放北部現在呢高風險也要放南部這是什麼道理所以我希望說民眾黨跟國民黨要深刻體會一下你如果要南部的撇放你就拿我們南部的人想看看為什麼這一次我們會這麼憤慨那台北包括很多人罷免團體為什麼會這麼的熱絡"},{"start":31301.847,"end":31322.846,"text":"就是因為台北人我們國民黨你們真的都不在替台灣受所以我們再次的呼籲我們反對核酸嚴厲我們希望說這次大罷免可以大成功大罷免可以大成功 謝謝好 謝謝許志堅委員發言接下來我們請張宏祿委員發言陳俊宇委員請準備張宏祿委員請發言"},{"start":31346.55,"end":31354.074,"text":"各位同仁我們在上禮拜我們才在這邊表決核管法的第六條"},{"start":31355.424,"end":31384.699,"text":"那個表決通過了其實照法律的規定台灣所有的核電廠都可以申請換發執照換發運轉執照法律都已經通過了其實連包括核一核二也都可以那今天我們又看到了民眾黨提出的核三要繼續運轉就算公投通過好了啦"},{"start":31385.953,"end":31415.112,"text":"那依法律的規定他要申請還要各個單位然後去檢視他安全與否或等等的其實重啟的時間也要好幾年所以我覺得這個公投其實就是要轉移焦點要讓大家覺得說這個在罷免的時候呢能不能提高投票率啊然後這個是一個有政治目的的一個公投"},{"start":31416.601,"end":31440.626,"text":"可是我身為新北市的立法委員我必須要在這邊講大家不要忘了核四現在是封存的他會不會哪一天國民黨又來提出要核四開始運轉的公投然後限制核一核二他也要來繼續運轉"},{"start":31443.137,"end":31466.103,"text":"我覺得身為新北市的立法委員我們是強力的反對重啟核四跟核一核二再重啟台灣好不容易走到非核家園的今天我認為根本就不需要再考量核三的重啟為什麼"},{"start":31467.776,"end":31492.698,"text":"因為整個河山佔台灣的整體發電量只有百分之三而已只有百分之三但一個四十幾年的老機器如果重新運轉它的風險是非常非常的大的四十幾年的老機器我們的車子如果四十年你還敢做嗎"},{"start":31494.729,"end":31508.855,"text":"這如果核能電廠發生了任何一點事情我相信整個台灣受到的損失的影響我看是好幾千億要去計算的所以我在這邊我再次強調"},{"start":31511.408,"end":31525.759,"text":"台灣過去到現在從來沒有重啟核電的經驗核電廠如果說想要重啟就重啟那個風險是非常大的希望大家要三思而行"},{"start":31543.612,"end":31568.262,"text":"好 主席各位同仁經過上週的這個核管法之後我們今天再次針對核電的議題進行討論那核三長在2023年通過除役的計畫之後一號機在去年的7月已正式停機而二號機也在上週六的5月17正式依法停機結束了40年的這個運轉任務"},{"start":31570.236,"end":31582.77,"text":"台灣正式進入這個非核家園的時代而這次的公投的議題主文是您是否同意第三核能發電廠經過整體安全的評估後恢復繼續運轉各位"},{"start":31585.595,"end":31608.394,"text":"屏東還有南台灣的鄉親好不容易剛走出這個河岸的憂慮現在卻要透過全國性的這個公投來重啟一個老舊的核電廠我們是不是該更負責任的審慎討論安全的問題而不應該淪為草率的一個政治問題"},{"start":31609.997,"end":31625.727,"text":"如同這個賴清德總統在今天的記者會上所說的在面對核電的議題上有兩個必須三個原則除了在程序上針對安全的評估更要依據核安無虞"},{"start":31626.247,"end":31648.682,"text":"核廢、遊節以及社會共識三個原則來審慎應對我想當我們討論到核電的使用安全一定是擺在第一若沒有辦法確保發電安全無虞就不應該貿然的使用核電在台灣人口眾多土地狹小以及鄰近斷層帶的這個先天"},{"start":31652.364,"end":31680.797,"text":"地理條件之下一旦發生這個天災人禍如同這個2011年日本福島的核災後果是我們無法去承擔的所以必須要用最嚴謹的這個標準來檢視核安另外若要研議也必然要面對核廢料的相關問題但核廢料的處理一直都沒有解方而要達成社會共識"},{"start":31681.516,"end":31695.821,"text":"更應該仰賴與社會進行公開透明的政策評估與溝通我們今天在政策上的選擇更要由世世代代的台灣人來共同承擔所以我們還是強調"},{"start":31698.237,"end":31720.789,"text":"核安無虞、核廢有解、社會有高度的共識三個原則在上述的這三個原則釐清之後我們才能夠認同所以現階段我們無法支持重啟老舊的核電因此我們堅決反對如此粗糙的重啟核三公投"},{"start":31722.824,"end":31722.844,"text":"黃國昌議員"},{"start":31740.097,"end":31766.363,"text":"主席 各位同仁今天我們討論台灣民眾黨團提出的公投主文您是否同意第三核能發電廠經過整體安全評估後恢復繼續運轉我必須嚴正的質疑為什麼要透過全國的公投來決定位於屏東的核三廠是否延逸為什麼是在遠在其他外縣市的人來決定屏東人的未來"},{"start":31767.503,"end":31789.911,"text":"就像我們可不可以決定把核廢料放在你們民眾黨的黨部呢核三廠設備老舊一旦發生事故首當其衝的就是屏東的居民但是今天民眾黨的提案卻是由全台人民來投票決定這座核電廠的命運這對屏東人公平嗎"},{"start":31791.513,"end":31810.341,"text":"更令人憤怒的是核廢料的問題演繹的話表示民眾黨已經知道高階核廢料放在哪裡你們支持核電廠繼續運產但是請正面回答核廢料到底要放在哪裡或者你們之後又會提案指定把核廢料丟在別人家"},{"start":31812.076,"end":31826.143,"text":"台灣目前已經超過了累計一萬兩千桶的高階核廢料卻連一個最終的處置檔都沒有民眾黨的提案根本不是能源規劃根本就是能源詐騙當初"},{"start":31829.404,"end":31849.855,"text":"把核廢料送到蘭嶼是怎麼送的?是偷偷摸摸的,背著蘭嶼人送去的?誰問過達悟族人的意見?有經過他們的公投嗎?答案是沒有。那是威權時代的黑箱操作,是環境殖民,是對原住民赤裸裸的壓迫跟欺騙。"},{"start":31850.836,"end":31866.974,"text":"今天我們要重演這場歷史的悲劇嗎還是要讓屏東人讓蘭嶼人再次默默承擔全台能源的風險跟污染嗎我只問一句那些高喊支持核電的人有誰願意把任何一桶的核廢料放在自己的家裡"},{"start":31867.935,"end":31882.405,"text":"放在你們家的客廳或者放在你們家的廚房都可以如果你不願意的話高階核廢料存續數萬年不論你講的多科學多理性都無法改變它是有毒有害無處安置的現實"},{"start":31883.706,"end":31905.811,"text":"研議的核電廠早已超過設計的壽命設備老舊零件難以更新發生事故的風險只會越來越高現在卻還有人利用政治話術要全民一起冒這個風險這不是負責任的政治的能源政策而是將風險推給下一代的逃避行為我們不能接受也不願意接受"},{"start":31907.045,"end":31931.38,"text":"我們反對核電研議 反對繼續運轉 這是出於良知我們不要核廢料 不要研議 不要風險外包我們要的是一個對人民負責 對未來負責的能源政策請不要再硬凹 請尊重地方 尊重科學 尊重正義也請民眾黨自...謝謝陳瑩委員的發言接下來我們請登記最後一位發言 黃國昌委員請發言"},{"start":31946.036,"end":31958.229,"text":"院長本院委員台灣民眾黨立法院黨團在今天院會所提出要討論的事項是願不願意"},{"start":31959.673,"end":31987.722,"text":"第三河門發電廠經過主管機關同意確認無安全疑慮後繼續運轉把這件事情交由全體台灣人民來共同討論共同決定我剛剛聽到非常多民主進步黨的立委說他們反對河山演繹對於這樣子的意見我們尊重"},{"start":31989.054,"end":32008.756,"text":"畢竟台灣是一個民主的社會我們也認同的確有部分的台灣人民的確會擔心核電廠的安全也的確在思考核廢料的問題到底要如何處理但是"},{"start":32009.933,"end":32034.866,"text":"所有的能源政策都有正反利弊的考慮走到2025年的今天是我們該冷靜下來透過全體台灣人民共同的討論共同的智慧共同的決定來決定台灣未來能源政策的走向"},{"start":32036.138,"end":32063.281,"text":"民進黨以及民進黨的委員反對河山研議我們尊重他們的看法我們也期待在接下來進入全國討論的時候民進黨的委員可以透過稅理去說服絕大多數的台灣人民支持他們反對的立場但我要說的是相對的"},{"start":32064.431,"end":32084.883,"text":"也有非常多的台灣人民我們在2024年為了針對這個政策進行研議到2025年總共做了兩次大規模的民調兩次出來民調的結果都是有七成以上的台灣人民贊成"},{"start":32086.579,"end":32106.907,"text":"剛剛有委員說這件事情不可以拿來公投但是我要提醒的事情是以公投起步的民主進步黨當初在訴諸公投理念的時候不就是說要不要蓋核四應該訴諸全體台灣人民公民投票嗎"},{"start":32108.127,"end":32127.962,"text":"為什麼今天同樣一個核能發展的議題卻可以急速轉彎不尊重台灣人民的民意呢最後我要說的是賴清德總統說我們要用更大的民主來化解旗艦這個旗艦就交由台灣人民來決定吧謝謝"},{"start":32138.462,"end":32142.402,"text":"下午五點半繼續開會 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