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擴大啦可是你的案源你的案源你沒有認真的去招商啊最大的問題是你沒認真招商啊我們是有每年都會收集各部會以及地方政府他在半年內他要提出招商的案源然後我們召開招商大會同時我們也有"},{"start":614.111,"end":632.579,"text":"出差的IMAP把這樣的商機提供給相關的金融總會以及民間的一個社會大眾知道增加一個投資的議案員我們還是回到就是說你不是收集資訊然後去提供而已其實你還可以做的事情非常多我們也主動的會去做一些輔導以及諮詢"},{"start":635.776,"end":661.737,"text":"我跟妳講啦 看得到吃不到啦這個是真正的一個大的問題啦那國化會也是在這個站內平台的一個總體檢我跟你講你一年只有三篇新聞全部都是還是集中在力能的一個融資上面啦其實可以進步的空間太大了啦我跟你說我不是陳一貞不然這問題丟到陳一貞身上他一定把你罵慘了"},{"start":663.138,"end":682.742,"text":"那個跟委員報告那個造源投資除了透過促參而且促參將來我們專案辦公室會推很多指標型的案件以後會陸續出來都會比較大型的而且我們也透過PE就是INFA PE跟VC的法規鬆綁三個行政部門講我們要"},{"start":685.203,"end":709.614,"text":"要很實際的實際的去推動不要講這個理想金管會已經把大門開了你看他多慷慨對不對財政部跟上來那我們也希望就是說國發會你也要跟上來這個大家其實需要你們的我們南部這麼多的老人我們需要長照我們需要這個社會住宅謝謝委員指教"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}