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谢谢赵伟 我们有请次长我看署长一起好了吧署长万元你好"},{"start":18.049,"end":44.26,"text":"好 次长好 署长好首先先肯定这个教育部在去年12月31号终于宣布了高中以下的学校导师费3000块调到4000块终点费也全面的调增20%以及第三项的教师行政工作奖金也分三级最高每个月加发2000还追溯我想这是值得肯定的"},{"start":44.96,"end":62.72,"text":"那但是呢提高了這個導師費跟這個兼任的這個教室的這個終點費事實上啊其實老師們最期待的我想次長說得很清楚就是希望新資審議法制化我們希望把它法制化因為我們去看嘛其實"},{"start":64.662,"end":86.117,"text":"教育部不知道有没有去了解次长就是说今年为什么行政院还没有把军工教育人员的待遇调整这个条例送到立法院去因为我觉得法治化这件事情是相当的重要而不是今天你们认为想调就调然后你们觉得不该调就不该调是随着心情还是随着当时的感觉那我觉得法治化以后其实对大家都好能不能说明一下"},{"start":88.151,"end":99.295,"text":"這份人事單位我想委員的想法我認同當然在這個沒有制度化之前其實從100年到現在其實你說也有調100年、107年、111、113、114年也分別調了3%、3%、4%、4%、3%大概17%"},{"start":107.717,"end":123.355,"text":"那包括這一次其實剛才有委員提議嘛譬如說導師費的調整啦終點費的調整啦這個部分是不是也應該有一個調整機制啦那在部內可以研究研議的範圍內我們會來朝這方面來努力"},{"start":124.556,"end":143.261,"text":"其实正如您刚刚所说的就是说什么哪一年有调哪一年没调其实你背的还蛮清楚的那什么时候调了一个3%什么时候调了4%我觉得没有一个规则我觉得把它法制化下来其实对大家是最有保障的所以我想我们有没有倾向要尽速地把这个薪资审议法制化我们把它落实下来"},{"start":143.841,"end":156.296,"text":"對 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