{"error":false,"id":["166930"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":166930,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166930","日期":"2026-01-07","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-4-22-13","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":4,"會次":13,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[22],"委員會代碼:str":["教育及文化委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-01-07T12:00:21+08:00","結束時間":"2026-01-07T12:12:45+08:00","影片長度":"00:12:24","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468fcca3e96abc13e1de01bb1e1b9e929a61a2318d3e8cde50e941f8fb5ad44a412f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林宜瑾","委員發言時間":"12:00:21 - 12:12:45","會議時間":"2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查\n一、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。\n二、委員陳雪生等20人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n三、委員陳雪生等20人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十八條條文修正草案」案。\n四、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。\n五、委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第五條條文修正草案」案。\n六、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n七、委員許宇甄等18人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n八、委員萬美玲等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n九、委員黃建賓等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n十、委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n十一、委員高金素梅等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n十二、委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。\n十三、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。\n【僅進行詢答】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":6.24096875,"end":8.62034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8.805968750000002,"end":8.83971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":8.83971875,"end":9.109718750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":9.109718750000003,"end":9.126593750000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":9.24471875,"end":10.071593750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":12.349718750000001,"end":13.024718750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":13.446593750000002,"end":14.239718750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":15.134093750000002,"end":15.606593750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":15.977843750000002,"end":19.09971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":19.57221875,"end":31.55346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":31.87409375,"end":65.53971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":41.66159375,"end":41.69534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":41.74596875,"end":41.98221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":59.59971875,"end":59.93721875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":65.67471875000001,"end":91.29096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":74.29784375,"end":74.51721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":91.79721875,"end":112.77284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":95.35784375,"end":96.57284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":113.21159375,"end":123.53909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":123.53909375,"end":213.93846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":131.09909375,"end":131.52096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":170.99159375000002,"end":171.12659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":215.01846875,"end":220.24971875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":220.43534375000002,"end":222.88221875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":222.19034375,"end":224.16471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":224.16471875000002,"end":234.39096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":233.07471875000002,"end":280.10534375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":247.60409375,"end":248.61659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":255.99096875000004,"end":256.31159375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":265.72784375000003,"end":267.55034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":269.37284375,"end":269.74409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":280.10534375000003,"end":280.45971875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":280.78034375000004,"end":281.70846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":282.51846875,"end":296.23784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":289.31909375000004,"end":289.72409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":295.88346875,"end":296.81159375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":296.81159375000004,"end":298.17846875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":297.70596875,"end":298.19534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":298.19534375,"end":299.69721875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":300.15284375000005,"end":301.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":302.27909375,"end":304.16909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":303.98346875000004,"end":314.26034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":314.32784375,"end":319.74471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":317.95596875,"end":318.29346875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":319.66034375000004,"end":324.03096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":324.03096875,"end":325.16159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":325.16159375,"end":424.16721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":424.63971875000004,"end":440.85659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":430.73159375,"end":430.83284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":437.93721875000006,"end":437.97096875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":440.95784375000005,"end":484.02284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":455.08221875000004,"end":455.21721875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":463.89096875,"end":464.31284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":478.70721875000004,"end":479.11221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":483.34784375000004,"end":483.82034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":484.44471875000005,"end":491.17784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":491.17784375,"end":491.39721875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":491.39721875000004,"end":491.43096875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":491.43096875000003,"end":491.44784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":491.80221875,"end":491.92034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":492.42659375000005,"end":525.68721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":500.71221875000003,"end":500.76284375000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":503.42909375000005,"end":503.73284375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":511.90034375000005,"end":512.11971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":516.25409375,"end":517.09784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":518.36346875,"end":518.6840937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":525.68721875,"end":525.7040937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":525.7040937500001,"end":525.78846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":525.78846875,"end":555.57284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":555.8090937500001,"end":557.6653437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":557.2097187500001,"end":557.6484687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":557.6653437500001,"end":557.68221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":557.68221875,"end":557.74971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":558.0534687500001,"end":591.5672187499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":591.76971875,"end":593.3390937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":593.7609687500001,"end":594.3178437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":595.11096875,"end":609.2690937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":609.8428437499999,"end":638.73284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":638.85096875,"end":645.7865937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":646.5290937500001,"end":648.7903437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":648.95909375,"end":657.2109687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":657.41346875,"end":664.6528437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":658.94909375,"end":659.38784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":665.0915937500001,"end":702.9422187499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":683.5190937500001,"end":684.3797187499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":691.7878437500001,"end":692.0578437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":702.58784375,"end":709.2534687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":706.62096875,"end":707.8190937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":709.32096875,"end":733.8234687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":718.85534375,"end":719.4797187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":720.59346875,"end":721.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":733.90784375,"end":736.75971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":736.86096875,"end":738.4640937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":739.00409375,"end":740.82659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":740.8940937500001,"end":743.2734687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":744.2859687499999,"end":744.58971875}],"whisperx":[{"start":6.254,"end":9.855,"text":"謝主席 有請商料次長好 主席次長委員好次長好本席現在還是要鄭重呼籲拜託在野黨不要再擋總預算現在已經一月了總預算案都還沒有開始審查連附委都沒有這個嚴重影響了這個新的一年度的新興計畫執行"},{"start":32.003,"end":57.898,"text":"那上次教育部有到財政委員會去報告總預算案未審查的狀況評估喔那新興跟新增的計畫預算高達31億元那包括好幾個項目喔那我們都知道孩子在校園的安全也好新興科技的人才培育一刻都不容延擋所以想要請教次長如果總預算真的還沒有審查過關那麼教育部有沒有減緩衝擊的計畫"},{"start":59.899,"end":88.297,"text":"那教育部有没有什么话要跟在野的立委来呼吁不要挡学生们的预算谢谢委员关心其实刚才也有委员关心类似的问题那么也替教育部想了一个办法叫做这个第88条那刚才我问了相关的那个法治单位他们是说88条是适用于基金跟附属单位预算就是说重大的新兴项目可以经立法院同意或动之这个部分是指基金及附属单位预算"},{"start":88.917,"end":112.316,"text":"如果是可以包含本预算的这个新型计划当然我们是非常乐意可是法治上这样的限制是没有办法所以我们当然是呼吁说这个教育部分党派而且是从北到南几乎每一个县市都一直在跟教育部希望能够中央投注资源能够政策上能够支持所以我们一直希望说这个预算还是要来审查"},{"start":113.297,"end":132.704,"text":"不要說都完全不審查這樣我們當然在很多新興計畫的那個執行上面會有一些效率的問題跟急迫性不足的問題是 我們看新興計畫有一項就是竹苗地區高級中等學校的校舍計畫所以我在這裡也要趁這個機會想要跟新竹縣的陽文科縣長"},{"start":136.826,"end":157.032,"text":"新竹市的高雄安市長苗栗的中東景縣長希望竹苗縣市首長回去跟黨內溝通不要再卡總預算那本席雖然是台南的立委可是我也身為教育文的一份子我要為全國的學子來爭取最好的環境所以真的再次呼籲在野的立委不要再卡總預算"},{"start":158.092,"end":180.744,"text":"那另外在上週就是2025的最後一天很開心看到教育部從善如流宣布了高中以下的這個導師費調漲到4000塊那終點費有調漲20%那還有就是加發了行政工作獎金這是本席跟很多委員們長期爭取的那總算有了成果"},{"start":181.184,"end":203.199,"text":"那國教署有說前述的調整經費全年度將達到43億這個7千萬元那本席好奇的是總預算如果被藍白帳卡住那導師費跟終點費調帳的經費會不會受影響那目前這筆經費就我所知道是中央跟地方要各負擔50%"},{"start":205.04,"end":232.075,"text":"那中央跟地方你們如果在這個被卡預算的前提之下那中央跟地方的裁員分別要從哪邊的裁員來指引我想這是在人事費啦所以不會受到影響這部分不會受到影響這是人事費不會受到影響我們有人事費裡面雲之所以不受到影響那未來就是說百分之五十五十這個是維持這樣子還是說你們還會再持續跟地方來溝通"},{"start":233.115,"end":255.506,"text":"我就是已經在去年11月25號有找地方來談當然有些縣市認為說中央要全員補助啦有些縣市是認為可以追溯到9月1號啦有些縣市認為說明年啦但最後大家同意認為說最大公約數這樣的一個調整其實是有利於基層教師的士氣也來解決一些過去沒有調到的就是終點費的問題"},{"start":256.767,"end":280.197,"text":"所以基本上大家都同意那後來因為看起來多數的縣市都同意追溯到去年9月1號所以我們就總算回溯到9月1號我們就都補助50%因為現在裁判法後中央其實能夠補助的裁員也有限所以我們必須要去說服地方一起來做才有辦法讓這個美意能夠落實好"},{"start":282.618,"end":300.566,"text":"現在高中以下的導師費有調漲那可是幼兒園的教保員在第一線照顧幼兒園其實他工作壓力也很大那教保費也只有兩千塊那昨天有看到國教署說這個要比照就是要加一千塊那現在是說那私立會並調整嗎"},{"start":302.355,"end":323.129,"text":"私立的會啊 會啊會 會 OK 好那還有幼兒園的行政工作也很繁雜啦那有沒有也來調整這個所謂的工作獎金的規劃對 私立幼兒園的腳步教法會這邊會啦 會調帳啦那工作費的部分我們行政工作獎金也要比照有這樣的調帳規劃嗎對 以公立的為主啦"},{"start":325.37,"end":345.885,"text":"OK 好 這樣非常好那另外喔 回到這次的主題喔除了這個硬體資源跟偏遠地區的學校最大的難題當然就是人雖然科技發達喔 那很多其實現在也很多之前都用所謂的直播遠距教學可是回過頭來講其實孩子最需要的是人的陪伴"},{"start":346.585,"end":369.041,"text":"很多偏鄉地區的文化資源相對很匱乏家庭功能也不彰所以很多孩子的爸媽是在外地工作那祖父母在村落部落裡面也有工作要做所以學校真的扮演一個很重要的角色它是一個偏鄉的支持重要的網絡好那我本席認為偏鄉的師資的培育跟留任它有一個重要的核心需要我們來加強那就是"},{"start":369.361,"end":393.28,"text":"如何引導老師在偏鄉地區有歸屬感跟自我認同感那本席在一個月刊就是台灣教育評論月刊上有看到一段話我很認同他說有精靈內在歷程轉換將認同自己是屬於該教育環境的一份子才會在偏鄉教育上生根那不論是在學校 在學生"},{"start":394.241,"end":422.6,"text":"身上生根讓這個教師在偏鄉教育不只是教書喔好 那現在的初任老師他其實不論是教生的分發或者是公費生去分發的其實初任教師到了偏鄉都才開始學習怎麼當一名老師所以偏鄉的生活跟都會去的生活又差異那麼大喔那所以要花很多的時間跟力氣來學習如何適應那偏鄉的生活方式"},{"start":424.781,"end":440.61,"text":"可是這個 就他的差異這個大怎麼樣學習這件事情在失陪的過程中很少被提及喔所以我想說是不是要在失陪的內容裡面加一些相關的這種內容讓他們認識偏鄉的地區的生活環境"},{"start":440.99,"end":466.995,"text":"对 韦英的建议非常好所以我们在114学年度的这个偏远地区学校学士后教育学问班我们就有协调那个协调会议上我们就有要求开一班的师培大学针对像那个偏乡有些班级人数很少所以他有一些混龄教学的能力规划或者是差异化的教学或者说一些合作上的学习家庭教育学生辅导相关的议题都融入课程的规划"},{"start":467.375,"end":488.547,"text":"所以這部分我們就是有在有聽到聲音所以我們有把它規劃在裡面像初任老師也一樣有些到偏鄉去他可能去了以後跟他想像完全都不一樣所以我們這部分大概這個新傳教師的那個制度上也會對這個到偏鄉的初任教師能夠多給予這個協助好"},{"start":492.509,"end":507.229,"text":"好 那我們再想很多初恩老師他到偏鄉因為偏鄉人手少所以他被迫要接手行政工作是所以行政工作的繁雜這個我就不用再贅述好 那現在就是說怎麼樣有什麼方法讓"},{"start":508.991,"end":524.468,"text":"就是出任教師到偏鄉然後就任行政這個議題我知道現在好像有一個叫做區域教育資源中心來協助那現在你們實質上的觀察有實質緩解老師對行政接行政的狀況嗎"},{"start":525.989,"end":551.838,"text":"就是我們那個區域交易支援中心在各縣市政府設立那我們也都會每年它設立之後每年大概給400萬到600萬的補助大概就是一些人力的調解但是它是一個任務編組就是它大概是以一個國中學區為範圍有時候兩個有時候一個它就看它設的密度其實基本上就是要用一些人力來分攤或者說幫它來做一些行政上事務的一個統籌協調 整合"},{"start":554.099,"end":569.078,"text":"讓他不要一個學校就辦一個 一個學校辦一個每個學校都要辦 其實這樣蠻累的他那個區域教育制的東西就是當時偏鄉條例設計的那個這個就是要來解決這些小學校的一些行政人力不足的問題"},{"start":569.979,"end":593.827,"text":"那当然现在上路之后各个县市实施的状况我们会再去跟地方政府协调在人力的协调上面行政的减量上面是不是能够达到原来当初制度设计的效果它可能有效果但是有没有办法充分来解决这个我们也会在未来的会议上来听取地方现场的一些意见好"},{"start":595.194,"end":608.323,"text":"就是針對偏遠地區學校教育發展條例喔我想這個我們很多委員都有提版本喔那像這個民眾黨喔他有提說要修改第16條那"},{"start":611.004,"end":637.498,"text":"第七條 要中央主管機關要補助地方主管機關要開設專聘教師認證演習課程那還有像說有國民黨委員提說要修訂十六條要這個什麼偏遠地區學校要結合非營利組織大專院校跟社區資源提供學生學習活動跟兒童課後服務等等啦好 這些經費他們都規定要中央全額補助 重點在這裡"},{"start":639.219,"end":663.759,"text":"請教教育部就是說你們重整各委員的這個修法版本有沒有盤點需要負擔多少經費其實我們在看各委員版本的時候有些其實已經可以在做的它只是需要透過一些行政措施就能夠達到的我們是不建議一個大規模的修法那有些當然委員的版本講得很有道理那其實就是一條兩條我們"},{"start":665.18,"end":691.329,"text":"会尊重委员的意见那至于增加中央支出的那个部分现在因为财法法的关系我觉得在使用每一中央在做政策执行的时候其实都希望跟地方政府能够合作像这次那个导师费的终点费其实也是希望地方政府能够一起来做那后来得到支持我们才用各50%也才让这个每一政策能够落实所以将来修法我们是希望"},{"start":692.129,"end":708.622,"text":"如果有這樣子的版本我們必須要跟地方來商量畢竟高中以下的學校多數的主管機關是在縣市政府沒錯雖然說委員的這個版本是寫要中央全額付負擔可是我們到時候還是可以來談"},{"start":709.403,"end":738.208,"text":"即使在财劃法划了4165亿给地方之后我们对于偏乡条例所衍生的相关的费用到目前为止是由中央捐的来负担是没有错就大概每年40亿左右那如果还要再增加的如果未来在财劃法这样的一个情况下如果还要增加的话我觉得也要去衡量一下整个财务的支出是否有没有能力地方政府愿不愿意配合我们可能大概将来会一直全额负担的这种现象可能会"},{"start":739.088,"end":742.843,"text":"没有那么容易 坦白讲好 谢谢谢谢次长 谢谢主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}