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我想在學生會費這是一個很基礎的部分就是說我們大學跟教育部應該跟學生會一起來努力把這個架構起來不然的話學生對於學生會"},{"start":1247.395,"end":1272.954,"text":"更无感的话事实上它缴合费用的意愿就会更低所以这一块我们应该跟学生一起来努力大学法这个部分关于财务相关的监管的机制我们是不是可以在大学法里面也有这样子的相关的规范这个你们本席自己也会有一个修法的版本我也希望说教育部这边可以采纳就是有这样子的方向好 同样的问题也发生在系学会您"},{"start":1274.915,"end":1303.454,"text":"次长您应该知道说系学会也会另外收一笔系学会的费对那本席也问过青年的意见经验他们大部分都会缴其实系学会的会费他们同样会他们反而会缴同样是因为学长姐会说这个要缴他们告诉他那个学生会不用缴但是系学会要缴那再来就是可能是同侪的压力因为同一个系属的同学如果只有少部分没有缴那在求学的过程里面可能会觉得有点尴尬但是这个"},{"start":1304.555,"end":1316.583,"text":"系学会的部分我们有什么监督的机制来监督这些经费吗在学生会还有学生议会但是系学会好像没有是不是没有这样的相关的组织可以来监督"},{"start":1319.016,"end":1348.488,"text":"是 确实目前在系学会的部分比较是由学校这边来协助但是如果刚刚回到我想经费的运用会牵制到学生对于系学会或学生会的一个认同那这块我们会积极来协助系学会和学生会因为去年也发生了某大学的系学会的资金被卷款的这个现象所以我们可以发现说其实各校的系学会的费用收费其实没有统一的标准"},{"start":1348.988,"end":1374.565,"text":"那有的系學會可能一次就收到位可能一次就收好幾千塊對學生而來來講可能是拒款的這樣的一個金額那這個時候收這樣的款項進來與其我們在那邊考驗人性本席覺得說有制度的這個監督我們更能夠防範這些侵佔這些相關的情勢發生所以針對系學會的部分教育部會不會去制定一個相關的規範"},{"start":1375.645,"end":1390.582,"text":"我想从系学会跟学生会来讲权跟责是要相符的教育部跟学校是有义务来协助学生会把这样的学生会和系学会把这样的架构弄清楚然后让同学更能够认同让整个学生自治参与可以往前走"},{"start":1392.022,"end":1413.548,"text":"接下来我们要讨论的是学生会现在会面临的一些问题跟挑战根据青年署公布的112年度全国大专校院学生会的概况调查指出目前各大专校院协助学生会运作的辅导主管其实有超过半数并没有具有法治教育或资商辅导的资历"},{"start":1414.048,"end":1433.281,"text":"那這樣子是不是能夠協助學生會的運作其實也有一定的疑慮那再者呢學生會有透過問卷來表示他們目前遇到最大宗的問題是人才傳承就是不出來參選或找不到幹部那接續的問題可能有跟學校的衝突還有選舉事務"},{"start":1434.662,"end":1435.282,"text":"我想分两个部分"},{"start":1449.929,"end":1471.902,"text":"第一个精神署这边他们其实每年都有一些相关的培训营跟传承营针对于学生会的干部针对于学校的学务主管们都有相关的这种培训的一个课程跟营队第二个部分就是说其实这是寄生弹诞生机其实同学讲了一句话让我觉得很有道理就是说"},{"start":1472.842,"end":1489.535,"text":"其實不能說學生參與率低是因為他們沒有足夠的賦權導致學生會沒有辦法在學校裡面被學生認同說他可以幫同學爭取更多所以怎麼來協助學生會有更多的賦權支持參與那其實學生會可以在一個健全的制度之下正常的運作我覺得這是一個非常重要的那剛剛次長你也回答到我現在要問的一個問題"},{"start":1497.441,"end":1521.743,"text":"就是負責監督學生會的學生議會他們也在問卷中有建議說青年署應該要規劃訓練課程例如說議事規則學生權益法規的嚴厲組織的運作及校務的參與等等這一些相關的課程都是可以很具體的協助學生在學生自治的組織的參與那我想問一下目前有沒有針對學生的剛您有回答說有這樣的課程"},{"start":1522.884,"end":1540.234,"text":"那這樣的課程我們每年會辦理期長我們去年以去年來講有多少學生有參與課程謝謝委員我們每年大概針對學生業務的承辦人員就是在暑期的時候針對幹部是在九月的時候那參與的人數大概都有達到大專院校的七成左右"},{"start":1540.734,"end":1556.957,"text":"那另外我们除了我们自己由上而下的规划之外我们今年对不起114年我们也针对学生会可以由下而上的自己针对他需要的主题大部分可能是财务的管理那或者是在学生自治的法规他们也可以申请经费自己去自办相关的真人"},{"start":1557.731,"end":1578.549,"text":"如果如同刚才回答了有七成的话那应该也来算是蛮踊跃的啦但是这样的课程参与了之后对于整个学生你们有没有再有一个回馈的机制让他们在参与课程之后去了解说实际上对他们的整个学生会运作会认知有的帮助"},{"start":1580.11,"end":1600.541,"text":"是我们都有针对就是学生参与演习之后再收集他们的一些回馈跟满意度好本席认为说其实意思规则学生权益来讲这些对于学生会学生来参与学生会跟学生议会是有很大的帮助学生他们了解自身的权益也是他们学习这个民主法治的这个参与重要的历程"},{"start":1601.141,"end":1624.9,"text":"那如果有這樣的課程我希望說我們也盡量鼓勵學生們可以參與那也希望說除了學生會的成員有意向來參與學生議會運作的這些人之外呢我們也希望說有更多的課程是適合所有大學生參加的課程協助他們了解他們權益以及相關的這個學生自治的事項"},{"start":1626.261,"end":1655.34,"text":"為什麼就是學生會之於其實學生會之於學生就像一般的工會之於產業我也會鼓勵我們地方的產業去參加工會其實你單一廠商的問題是個案可是工會發生就是大家都認為很重要的問題學生會也是你單一學生的問題好像就是你自己的問題可是學生會幫你發聲當你在學習上在受教權有受到權益的時候學生會會是維護學生權益一個很重要的力量喔"},{"start":1655.88,"end":1675.994,"text":"好 我們接下來再說各大專校院學生會常年存在的一個問題就是學生會選舉的投票率很低次長你看一下你們的調查報告可以發現欄位上最高的區間是30%以上代表教育部裡面也認為說投票率高達到30%以上應該算是學生會選舉的投票率的極限"},{"start":1677.475,"end":1701.557,"text":"學生會投票率這麼低包含很多問題就像一開始我們提到的時候很多學生他覺得我不知道學生會在做什麼或者說不清楚學生的權益那所以很多學生他連上網投票他們都不願意去投票他不願意到他們有到現場投票連上網投票他都不參加那這個部分呢次長您覺得教育部我們可以怎麼樣來促進學生參與學生自治這個相關的活動"},{"start":1702.398,"end":1728.467,"text":"所以這個問題也跟學生會的一些同學討論過了確實我們要從讓學生會給更多的賦權包含說他們在校會的參與在民選的參與在跟學生生活有關的相關的會議參與讓同學可以看到學生會可以幫到他們什麼我想這塊就是學生會一直在爭學生大會一直在爭取的部分"},{"start":1728.947,"end":1753.572,"text":"所以我们才说教育部我们一定会全力来支持这个部分但是细致的参与的状况可能还是可以看它是个比较近近的过程每个学校的规模大小风格文化背景不太一样这里面应该让它有一点弹性让学生会跟学校之间不是铁板一块的关系我想这块是教育部我们要努力的本期之前也有参与过学生团体开过座谈会"},{"start":1754.713,"end":1769.07,"text":"在针对这个部分本席也会有自己修法的版本那我们说了学生团体的诉求之外我刚刚提到的这个学生会的财务的透明监督以及学生参与这个校园民主的部分那其实市长您刚刚讲到一个重点就是父权"},{"start":1770.031,"end":1792.698,"text":"那到底這個我們給的權限我們給的參與的程度到哪裡就是要大家細緻的討論那我也希望說廣大各方的意見尤其在22號 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