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還是等到最後結果完了再請學校來申請因為這個計畫是一月份的嘛 怎麼辦呢 怎麼做"},{"start":168.73,"end":192.296,"text":"因為我們在115開始是有專項經費來支持那現在的做法都是用布裡面我們既有經費我們有補助請他們先來申請我們先從那邊去雲芝請他們來先來申請但是所以我們還是希望啦我們這個預算可以要審查要通過這些才有辦法來做好那接下來呢我先請市長你來看一個影片"},{"start":200.934,"end":206.542,"text":"好 這個是兩天前發生一個新聞事件但是對我來說我覺得它是一個很重大的"},{"start":208.018,"end":236.687,"text":"教師倫理 教學倫理的一個事件所以我想要來跟市長討論因為我們有公務人員服務的誓言所有的公務員都是要行政中立 關懷民眾 勇於任事所以我們討論這個事情 我不討論他的政治性也不討論意識形態因為他源頭是說這個有個北一女的老師不是這位老師 北一女的老師她把蔣文安市長的一個演講轉傳那她讚許說這個演講很棒 事實上我也認為我們市長演講很棒"},{"start":237.327,"end":254.942,"text":"但是學生有表達不同的意見那在這之後呢這位北運營的教師歐貴茲教師因為他透過媒體公開的發言說學生是腦殘等於是公然的透過媒體去羞辱跟公審學生因為他是具名的所以我就沒有匿名區辯識化處理了"},{"start":256.764,"end":279.099,"text":"那這個我認為這個已經有違我們教學倫理跟教師倫理那因為台北市政府至今沒有對這一個教師他這樣的公然透過媒體去說學生腦殘羞辱公審學生台北市政府還沒有做出回應所以我想要來討論因為我認為這個事件就算沒有違反教師法"},{"start":279.639,"end":303.725,"text":"他可能也已經違背了我們的這個公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法在我們這個考核辦法當中有幾點第一個 嚴刑不檢 致損害教育人員生育第二個 有不當行為 致有損學校名譽第三 教學輔導管教行為失當 有損學生學習權益我們是不是有這個考核辦法 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