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那我们会来大概盘点一下那一个月内跟委员做说明好 那就麻烦次长了谢谢"},{"start":608.953,"end":611.677,"text":"好 謝謝翁曉琳委員 管委員請回座"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}