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特定的人為事你也覺得柯文哲這個羈押太久了又是為了這樣子一個貪污犯為事你又要這樣子把這個羈押期限再縮短"},{"start":663.41,"end":678.121,"text":"委員我可以報告一個案例那我們發生在高雄的這個張某的連續殺人案子各位都印象深刻的話長達將近四個月的時間我們動員了很多那個警察跟志工都是在運河裡面撈屍塊"},{"start":679.602,"end":704.258,"text":"沒有屍塊我們沒法證明死者是不是真的死了所以這個都變成說要時間而且每個撈到的屍塊都要鑑定鑑定是不是跟被害人相符所以那個中間的案子是要很多很長的時間那如果今天不是羈押這個張姓的主嫌的話那我們民眾能不能接受這一個人在一加一以後他就在高雄趴趴走對"},{"start":707.117,"end":725.59,"text":"這個我想就是我們這些修法的提案的委員他必須要對社會說明的必須對司法界各界嘩然一律提出的質疑做清楚的說明我希望今天在審查過程中大家可以把這些話說清楚我們該堅持的要堅持是好不好以上"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}