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約聘雇人員來講一下好不好我們約聘雇人員的薪資是三萬八千元嗎如剛剛所述各位委員報告我們生產製造中心他第一個他每個月報的他每個月就是領的剛剛我們行政院所規定的約聘用另外他有額外的生產獎金每年最高可以領到六個月以當年他的盈利每年 那他什麼時候發的"},{"start":463.101,"end":491.049,"text":"中秋節發一次 過年發一次不要開我玩笑了隔壁是律師欸 你要不要問一下律師的意見這個是在講說我每一個月的月薪你跟我講說他中秋節的時候會發獎金這是兩件事情喔對 所以呢 所以我要問的事情是我們在401場 205場大家領的是剛剛所說的38000元嗎有沒有領到最低薪資的1.1倍呢來 我給你看一下薪資單好不好"},{"start":492.028,"end":518.229,"text":"往下 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不是含獎金之後喔所以不要拿這個東西來搪塞我那我希望可以好好的下去檢討"},{"start":646.667,"end":654.559,"text":"因為約聘僱人員他確實他們是我們產線上面也非常重要的國軍非常重要的其中一份子部長可以嗎"},{"start":655.746,"end":679.401,"text":"因為這個星之每月的月星的星之結構你剛剛秀出來我還不是很了解所以我想我下去了解它整個月星的星之的結構你需要了解一下結構還有就是有不會只有這一兩位啦我剛剛秀出的有一個人兩個人401的兩個人跟205的兩個人嘛光是我秀出的星之蛋就是有四位了"},{"start":679.801,"end":707.552,"text":"所以實際上我所了解的情況是超過的那我沒有薪資但我不會拿上來當成證據來在這裡跟您質詢但是呢有更多的約聘僱的人員他們是呢真的沒有領到1.1倍然後但他們就反正也就吞下去了想說反正呢兩萬九就兩萬九好了但是我覺得這是不對的事情所以請你們全面的去做一個檢討請問這個檢討需要多少時間能夠給我一個正確的答覆"},{"start":708.735,"end":724.021,"text":"跟委員報告 委員講的我們回去會做檢視因為我們的所有的基金聘僱的都是以盈餘的大水庫來支應我們給你兩個禮拜的時間我們來做分析來跟你做回報好 兩個禮拜嘛 謝謝麻煩檢討一下 謝謝主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}