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國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管預算凍結案等30案"},{"start":2163.51,"end":2165.692,"text":"強復建第二案至第31案第二案"},{"start":2172.179,"end":2198.455,"text":"第一幕向下各種種籍其分院臨床教學與研究預算凍結兩百萬元案第三案第二幕向下業務費預算凍結一百五十萬元案第四案第三幕向下農民健保醫療部分負擔預算凍結五百萬元案第五案第四幕向下一般事務費預算凍結五十萬元案第六案第四幕向下一般事務費預算凍結十萬元案第七案第四幕向下業務費預算凍結一百萬元案第八案"},{"start":2199.255,"end":2213.909,"text":"第四目向下,獎補助費預算凍結二十萬元案。第九案,第四目向下,業務費預算凍結五十萬元案。第十案,第四目向下,單身亡僱農民善後、商帳及遺產管理作業中業務費預算凍結二十萬元案。第十一案,"},{"start":2214.449,"end":2243.929,"text":"第四目向下大陸地區旅費預算凍結三萬元案第十二案第四目向下一般事務費預算凍結五十萬元案第十三案第四目向下業務費預算凍結一百五十萬元案第十四案第五目向下基本行政工作維持預算凍結一百萬元案第十五案第五目向下業務費預算凍結一百萬元案第十六案第五目向下幹部在職及義難替代役訓練預算凍結五十四萬元案第十七案第五目向下資訊服務費預算凍結一百萬元案第十八案"},{"start":2244.409,"end":2261.18,"text":"第5目向下資訊軟硬體設備費預算凍結100萬元案第19案第5目向下對特種基金資補助預算凍結50萬元案第20案第6目農民醫療照護預算凍結100萬元案第21案第6目向下對農民及特定醫療體系資補助預算凍結200萬元案第22案第6目向下對農民及特定醫療體系資補助對特種基金資補助預算凍結100萬元案第23案"},{"start":2273.015,"end":2299.536,"text":"第6目向下長期照顧與身心障礙醫療復健服務預算凍結100萬元案第24案第6目向下公費救養及醫療補助預算凍結200萬元案第25案第6目向下高齡醫學發展與照護預算凍結200萬元案第26案第7目向下基本行政工作維持之其他業務租金預算凍結100萬元案第27案第7目向下基本行政工作維持中設備及投資預算凍結200萬元案第28案"},{"start":2302.398,"end":2318.672,"text":"第九目向下 退除一官兵職業訓練中心房舍整建工程預算凍結300萬元案第29案 第九目向下安養機構房舍及生活設施整建工程預算凍結200萬元案第30案 第九目向下服務機構車輛汰換之運輸設備費預算凍結20萬元案第31案 第九目向下安養機構車輛汰購預算凍結100萬元案宣讀完畢"},{"start":2334.022,"end":2349.166,"text":"好 那今天有報告事項這個關於報告事項二處理僑務委員會主管的預算凍結案中有提出書面報告後時的凍資這邊是13案那現在書面報告已經送交本會請問各位委員對於預算結凍有無異議沒有"},{"start":2351.767,"end":2351.907,"text":"沒有"},{"start":2370.188,"end":2387.922,"text":"沒有 好 那均同意動之 然後提報院會那這個還好討論事項 我們等到這個之後 詢答之後再來處理那我們現在請機關就其主管預算解凍案進行報告首先我們先請僑委會這個委員長徐家青上台報告"},{"start":2403.443,"end":2427.916,"text":"召委各位委員大家早安今天代表僑委會向各位委員進行第114年度預算結公案的報告承蒙各位委員長期對本會各項業務的支持與指導在此表達最誠摯的敬意與謝意本日列入報告事項的13案剛剛已承蒙大家通過那麼討論事項有計3案共800萬"},{"start":2431.418,"end":2446.126,"text":"連同前面的合計八百萬相關書面報告均已送大院在案僑務工作需考量僑區的需求以及依工作計畫適時的推動企需要相關資金費的援助才能發揮僑務在國家發展的關鍵角色"},{"start":2449.008,"end":2476.524,"text":"委員所關切的各項議題以舉建議本會軍會積極審慎的來處理並納入執行規劃中為了優化我們的僑務服務深化僑界與臺灣聯繫合作敬請各位委員一本長期以來對僑務工作的關注與支持繼續給予指教與鼓勵並同意解除上述各項解凍案以利本會進行相關的業務推動感謝大家謝謝"},{"start":2483.908,"end":2487.196,"text":"接著我們請退府會主任委員嚴德發上台報告"},{"start":2497.92,"end":2520.36,"text":"主席郭文仙敬大家好承蒙郭文仙敬对本会各项施政工作的指导跟支持仅致最崇高的敬意跟谢诚大院审查本会114年度单位的预算有关决议冻结44个案子相关解冻报告都已经送交大院其中包含报告事项有9个案子即2420万"},{"start":2522.202,"end":2546.562,"text":"讨论事项有专案报告一案即三亿七千七百二十九万以及书面报告经同意后使得动之三十个案即三千六百二十七万为持续推动本会服务照顾各项重要的事务敬请各位委员同意解除上述各项预算冻结案以本会业务的顺利推动"},{"start":2547.242,"end":2562.148,"text":"接續請本會就養處處長就解動的專案報告強化農家販賣機販售合格商品的機制測定作為向各位委員報告敬請指導與支持就養處處長就養處處長報告"},{"start":2575.841,"end":2593.652,"text":"販賣機設置情形及管理措施販賣機設置情形本會近年因應新冠肺炎除加強落實各項防疫及醫療措施外各容家亦持續精進服務照顧工作以兼顧住民身心狀態及維持生活便利"},{"start":2594.775,"end":2622.363,"text":"部分農家因地處偏遠或因應疫情無法外出等特殊情況以及服務百貨部為營業時住民及訪視之家屬購物需求建立農家販賣及服務機制本會深切體認食品安全對住民福祉的重要性將持續強化販賣及管理機制優化服務品質與管理效能確保住民的健康與滿意度"},{"start":2624.324,"end":2645.605,"text":"本會所屬16所農家,即有八德、嘉里、台南、屏東、花蓮5所農家共設置7台販賣機在現行管理措施方面1.依據食品安全衛生管理法規定食品業者需經登錄取得合法營業資格者,使能進駐農家設置販賣機"},{"start":2647.887,"end":2676.681,"text":"二 廠商專人負責維護與保養於補貨時檢查食品狀況及效期確保上架商品均為合格產品三 配合廠商進貨補貨時隨同進行抽查容加並派專人每週不定期查查增強食品把關機制四 於契約書中明定管理方式若發生食安問題廠商應負賠償及所有法律責任"},{"start":2679.785,"end":2685.132,"text":"3.販賣機全面普查 無所容加7台販賣機已於114年1月16日會同廠商開機檢視內裡庫存之飲料並照相佐證 無過期情形"},{"start":2695.27,"end":2720.953,"text":"二 精進作為制定管理程序規範督促農家訂定自動販賣及管理標準作業程序明確規範食品安全檢查流程及責任分工並張貼於販賣機上包括以下重點一 商品進貨流程明確規定廠商補貨時需檢查商品效期並執行先進先出的上架原則"},{"start":2721.934,"end":2744.804,"text":"二 日常檢查程序 農家指定專人負責定期檢查 確保販賣機內商品符合食品安全標準三 問題處理機制 明定廠商法律及賠償責任 針對問題商品除要求造價賠償外 立即執行下架與更換流程 並通知廠商及相關單位處理"},{"start":2747.12,"end":2751.989,"text":"2.強化抽查及追蹤機制,為進一步提升食品管理的嚴謹性與實效性。"},{"start":2753.991,"end":2780.771,"text":"要求農家不定期抽查並建立追蹤管制的機制確保販賣機內食品始終維持高標準的安全與品質設置檢查紀錄簿要求農家建立檢查紀錄簿詳細記錄每次查查的內容及結果便於後續追蹤與集合確保管理透明度並不定期與廠商捕獲時進行檢驗以確保食品安全"},{"start":2781.874,"end":2806.331,"text":"二不定期抽查本會不定期與廠商捕獲時進行抽查以確保食品監督常態化三定期教育訓練農家定期針對同仁及廠商舉辦食品安全教育訓練透過案例研討與經驗分享培養參訓人員對食品效期儲存條件的敏銳度增強風險意識及執行力"},{"start":2809.393,"end":2830.192,"text":"結語販賣及管理直接關係到住民及家屬的生活便利與食品安全本會將持續完善管理制度加強食品安全控管確保販賣及服務的安全性與便利性進一步提升農家住民與家屬的滿意度報告完畢懇請委員先進支持本會預算解凍"},{"start":2839.063,"end":2858.744,"text":"那位委員應該在這邊還沒有聽到那我們現在開始尋答本會委員4加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半發言登記截止如果有臨時提案請在10點半以前提出11點左右處理那我們現在請陳俊宇委員上台質詢"},{"start":2870.452,"end":2876.115,"text":"好 謝謝主席 我們先請許委員長好 委員長早好 委員長早陳委員長安我想先就緬甸的這個地震的問題來救救我們委員長"},{"start":2898.379,"end":2919.562,"text":"那在3月28號這個緬甸遭遇這個強震之後,所造成的當地嚴重的災損還有傷亡那在第一時間有許多的這個資訊都封閉了,難以得知實際的情形那事發到現在已經滿兩個月了那這個整個重建的進度似乎是遙遙無期"},{"start":2921.123,"end":2947.78,"text":"我們僑委會對於這個緬甸的這個僑胞、僑校、僑商受災還有重建的這個相關情形是否已經進行統整跟委員報告有關於僑商部分由於我們在仰光地區其實並不是在地震帶那99%的這個台商沒有受到任何損害那兩戶雖然在曼德厄地區由於是農民他比較郊區所以也沒有什麼受損"},{"start":2948.2,"end":2951.482,"text":"這是有關於台商部分那僑生的部分呢本會有統計在目前台灣就學的學生呢總共3999位那我們經過了25校的調查那麼有家庭因為房舍倒塌或是因為家人受傷或者傷亡者我們有進行2000到1萬元不等的每個月生活補助津貼那現在已經每個月發出將近28萬"},{"start":2974.572,"end":2980.636,"text":"的這個生活津貼的補助來協助這些受災戶的學生度過這段難關那至於橋校的部分呢我們也經過統整以後呢有一所需要全部重建就是受損最嚴重的曼德勒地區的北區那其餘的呢有需要有些修繕的部分那我們統整之後呢約總計需要200萬美元的這個"},{"start":3000.809,"end":3021.388,"text":"經費需求來進行整個橋校的重建或修復以上學校還沒復校吧目前也只有那個有一些部分可以開始復校像北區就完全沒辦法因為它整個倒塌了所以那個部分就暫時沒有在恢復上課要等到重建完畢以後才有機會"},{"start":3023.331,"end":3041.664,"text":"那我想再請教委員長,先前您也透露了緬甸的情況是在軍政府的高壓管理之下,國際的相關資源要進入的話非常的困難可以說是重重的阻礙,那也包含台灣在第一時間我們所動員的特收大隊"},{"start":3044.486,"end":3058.582,"text":"也不得其門而入那僑委會是否已經透過其他的管道的突破讓我們各界救助的相關善款還有物資能夠直接送達這個災區也可以順利的送達災民的手中"},{"start":3059.523,"end":3063.166,"text":"謝謝委員關心確實在這段時間當中將近兩個月我們是透過當地的台商就地的採購模式那麼來進行這個災區的物資的運送那這其中除了我們的台商之外也有幾個宗教團體也有協助這些物資的這個援助跟寄送那目前為止的管道都還是以這樣子的管道為主體"},{"start":3084.202,"end":3088.905,"text":"那這部分的這個宗教團體是因為他們在當地原來就已經有的組織脈絡然後再配合我們的台商系統所以每一到兩個禮拜還是都會定期在仰光地區採購然後就往北送到曼德勒地區進行一些相關的發放"},{"start":3102.267,"end":3127.273,"text":"就地採購我們橋委會也透過旗下的海華文交基金會從4月8號開始已經在開啟一個有橋無礙送礙緬甸的公益勸募的相關活動也希望透過這個活動能夠將各界的善款共同來為緬甸的地震的災民伸出援手幫他們渡過難關"},{"start":3128.413,"end":3137.757,"text":"那在這個活動的這個我們預計勸募的金額是3000萬當中包括重建這個橋廈1500萬可是剛剛那個委員長您說大概橋廈要重建要20萬的"},{"start":3145.02,"end":3150.186,"text":"要200萬美金所以這個跟預估的1500萬好像也有一點落差確實有落差我們跟委員報告就是之後我們有再跟衛福部上修我們的募款的額度因為我們後來發現這個災損的嚴重程度比我們預估的更高"},{"start":3164.181,"end":3177.814,"text":"所以我們在報衛福部之後我們有把這個募款額度再往上調但是因為我們原來的募款截止日期就是5月31號也就是這個禮拜天就告一段落那至今已經確定募進來的錢是1300多萬"},{"start":3181.638,"end":3204.555,"text":"那距離我們原定的目標其實有一段不小的差距那也跟委員報告 不滿委員的這個關心我們在這段時間當中也聽到很多捐款者有所擔憂就是因為緬甸政府 軍政府所表現出來的態度是不是他們擔心錢沒辦法用到災民身上那由於我們現在執行的面向都是我們自己執行"},{"start":3205.376,"end":3208.598,"text":"所以那個錢並不會落入在這個軍政府或者其他政府的這個手上確保說一定會到民眾的手上但由於既定的意向已經形成事實上在聯合勸募上面並不順利那今天我想委員關心我們讓我們有機會再一次報告"},{"start":3225.191,"end":3234.602,"text":"或許能夠再一度的喚醒社會大眾對此關心那確實如果這個學校要重建的話這幾所總計需要的這個經費超過200萬美金"},{"start":3237.281,"end":3265.017,"text":"好那我們從這個公益券募管理系統上看確實我們現在目前募得的金額是只有775萬這個是比較舊的到今天為止是1300多萬1300多萬了那可是距離我們上修的金額還是還是有段不小的距離那我想請教我們對於這個部分相關不足的經費除了這個剛剛委員長您報告的情形之外"},{"start":3266.358,"end":3274.206,"text":"這個勸募的活動會不會展演因為你只有到勸募的活動到這個月底而已只剩三天嘛是那活動的時間會再展演嗎"},{"start":3276.45,"end":3286.819,"text":"我們會再去問給這個衛福部詢問我們可不可以再展演那相關的行政作業程序我們等到完成之後再跟委員匯報我們的這個部分那至於說這個我們募款額度的差距呢我們還是呼籲我們社會各界能夠持續的發揮愛心幫助這個緬甸"},{"start":3301.931,"end":3326.506,"text":"這樣子窮困的一個國家那讓他們的至少年輕人在未來是有一個希望的所以我們除了照顧現在的緬甸僑生在台生活以外那麼也想要積極的幫助這些僑校能夠復健那其中現在有一所是沒辦法上課但其他的只是受損部分就在比較安全的這個校舍已經在五月初有恢復開始上課了"},{"start":3327.947,"end":3344.418,"text":"那另外就是剛剛委員長您也有提到就是這個緬甸的僑生在台大概是3999人那他相關的這個我們補助他的這些經費有沒有補助的一個優先順序還是說都一視同仁"},{"start":3346.224,"end":3368.4,"text":"我們當然會依著他的情況的需求來進行調整包括這些僑生呢我們如果只是家庭的房設受損的那不是太嚴重我們可能在最低金額兩千那最高到一萬所以這個是有一個補助上的差距那這個就是因著學生他填報出來的資料我們彙整之後呢給予這些不同的這個協助好"},{"start":3373.163,"end":3377.687,"text":"那謝謝我們僑委會,我也請我們委員長能夠相關的這個剛剛這個巡打的問題能夠積極的去追蹤了解那也和我們這個緬甸的駐外代表,對於當地的這些我們的僑商"},{"start":3391.36,"end":3406.78,"text":"可以緊密的一個合作那透過他們來協助掌握相關受災戶的情形那也可以讓這些受災的災民及早能夠接收到我們台灣對於他們的關懷也讓他們趕快走出這個受災的情況"},{"start":3407.401,"end":3420.347,"text":"是好謝謝委員長謝謝陳委員陳委員剛剛有一個小資料我跟您再補充一下就是我們是復學的狀況有些校舍是全毀或者是有圍樓的狀況我們現在是有宗教團體捐了33間的臨時教室33間33間對可是回神的學校不是有六十所"},{"start":3427.971,"end":3432.956,"text":"不是全部都毀損不是說全部毀損那就是我們有評估全部毀損的是有一所然後嚴重毀損的有其他還有三所那其他都是比較輕微的所以經過評估完畢以後60所是零星是零星是在那個區域範圍內零星的並不是60所全部都正垮或正毀"},{"start":3449.09,"end":3466.044,"text":"那所以有33所的臨時教室呢現在也是由我們台商來提供這個基本的供電設備那6月2號開始就下禮拜也會正式都恢復使用這個復學好 謝謝委員長 以上補充我們交易會會繼續追蹤好 謝謝陳委員關心 謝謝好 謝謝軍旅委員 委員長請歡迎"},{"start":3478.305,"end":3495.068,"text":"好 接續我們邀請沈伯陽委員質詢好 謝謝主席 那先有請這個主委 退伏會主委 謝謝好 有請嚴主委"},{"start":3505.549,"end":3527.008,"text":"教委好那個主委這個因為關心的一直都還是跟這個滲透有關的那大概是在去年的時候其實我們就提出來就是說研擬去修正這個輔導條例那關於這一個中間除了說完全暫停給付之外呢然後還有包含是暫停停止給付等等的狀況"},{"start":3528.149,"end":3540.687,"text":"那這一次我看到在這個相關的報告裡面已經有在這個研擬修正輔導條例那寫預計今年九月要報這個行政院審查那是否可以現在說明一下目前研擬的這個進度"},{"start":3542.621,"end":3563.632,"text":"我跟召委報告,我們國家繼續從公報勳,自立福島條例,訂定了退出役官兵福島安置跟應該享有的權益,這個在福島條例裡面都有但是退出役官兵相對的對國家要有更高更堅定的忠誠義務,這是必然的"},{"start":3565.314,"end":3581.528,"text":"現行輔導條例三十二條第二項第二款已經訂定就是具有服役條例就是陸海公益軍官授權服役條例或者其他法律這個裡面所規範的喪失或剝奪退休給予權利的室友"},{"start":3582.469,"end":3603.565,"text":"那麼我們補導條例也在第32條第二項第二款裡面已經訂定同步要喪失相關的一個權益但是對於行為妨礙國家安全利益跟尊嚴具有法律所訂定的停止領受全部或者部分"},{"start":3604.446,"end":3632.071,"text":"退休給予權利的在我們福利法條例裡面並沒有同步去停止就是不符比例的原則所以為了符合比例的原則防住中共近期綿密的這些滲透破壞我們都看到很多的案例所以我們嚴理修正福老條例32條第一項的第四款這個是增訂增訂具有法律所定停止領售全部"},{"start":3632.731,"end":3657.035,"text":"或者是部分退休給予權力的適由了那麼相對的要停止它的一個領受就是國土條例裡面相關的是權益目的就是防止中共的滲透破壞以及鞏固我們國家的安全那麼現在我們案子已經報到行政院因為這是跨部會的工作行政院目前都在做通盤的審查當中我們都配合辦理以上報告"},{"start":3657.515,"end":3670.541,"text":"好 謝謝主委因為這邊這個是一年以前我們就開始很關心的事情也希望院版能夠盡快出來那現在看起來的話其實如果按照這個速度甚至有可能更早那我們是希望院版一旦出來之後就可以跟著一個相關的條文在這邊審議"},{"start":3671.86,"end":3692.675,"text":"那這個當然就是說剛剛有提到就是我這個傷害這個國家尊嚴這一個因為畢竟這一個是一個比較空泛的名稱所以呢到底能不能夠直接用這一個來做這個停職給付這是有疑義的啦那因為現在兩岸條例九之三有一個類似的規定那我也針對九之三其實已經有提出草案"},{"start":3693.235,"end":3716.528,"text":"不過在這個一讀的時候就已經被敷衣掉了所以現在被卡在那一邊但是我是希望說如果說有機會的話呢我們現在提的相關的版本也都能夠進來然後再跟這一個退普會的版本來互相做比較一下看怎樣最能夠保護我們的國家的安全對 我們會配合行政院的審查OK 那現在就是 那個退普會其實我今天只有問這一個那接下來請這一個委員長 這個教會會委員長 謝謝好 有請委員長"},{"start":3727.25,"end":3729.734,"text":"橋深的救學計畫目前有一些經濟強化的措施是否可以跟國人說明一下"},{"start":3740.869,"end":3743.431,"text":"我們在僑生的就學方面我們希望說他們在進入台灣就學之前就可以強化他們在僑居地提升他們的華語能力所以這一部分我們從去年底今年就已經都開始全面啟動一些新的課程計畫"},{"start":3757.879,"end":3773.983,"text":"讓他們在就地可以開始強化華語那同時呢也用我們這種雙語的新教材比方說在越南就是越南語跟華語在印尼就印尼對華語在菲律賓就是英文跟華語這樣的雙語教材去進行教學那除此之外呢來到台灣之後我們現在就是第一學期也是強化有華語的密集班那一進來就開始給他們做語言程度的分級上課初階的中階的高階的"},{"start":3786.286,"end":3804.256,"text":"那如果高階的他的華語程度相當好我們就鼓勵他去修其他像英文或者其他的語言那除此之外我們也落實就是說對學校的這些課程的這個進行的方式有分定期跟不定期的那定期的部分每年的五月到六月我們都到學校全面去做各種的方式然後把相關的評鑑報告做出來"},{"start":3807.998,"end":3813.541,"text":"那不定期的話我們從去年開始就會因著這個我們自己自行安排的時間也不通知學校就臨時出現用這樣的方式呢來確保學生無論他在這個住宿方面或者他個人的旅行證件有沒有在增長安全或者是他們在校社所這個進行的課程有沒有按照這個課程的表有沒有說應當在學校上課沒有在學校上課跑去打工等等的情形這個我們都有落實集合"},{"start":3836.952,"end":3864.21,"text":"有這個後者我知道很多委員關心但是前階段就是說這一個語言上的訓練我覺得至關重要因為現在照理說我們希望這些僑生能夠為我們注入活水我之前自己也有指導學生是僑生而且非常優秀然後他有能夠帶給這個很多不同國家的經驗這個對其實我們這整體的這個就學環境其實都會有很大的幫助所以希望僑委會這方面就持續緊緊好那這一個因為今天只是解凍所以我都只問跟這一個比較相關的事項"},{"start":3864.87,"end":3875.622,"text":"那這個最後我只想問一下就是說因為WHA的事情那這個小舞會也扮演一定的角色那是不是可以跟國人快速的報告一下因為時間的因素就是說在這一次的成果"},{"start":3876.474,"end":3880.595,"text":"跟委員說明我們在今年度在37個全球地區共共有69場次的活動觸及的人數大概大約20萬那麼不諱言的說我們這都是橋界自動自發來進行的活動不涉及我們的預算但是我所了解過去會由外交部統籌來進行相關的文宣跟一些媒體溝通等等的工作"},{"start":3903.081,"end":3918.327,"text":"因為預算的因素受到大幅的影響所以這個部分確實在今年的媒體露出部分就大量的可以看得出來減少很多至於本會的部分我們還是如期按照我們原來的方式在進行"},{"start":3919.867,"end":3921.788,"text":"不管是透過我們的僑屋電子報、中央社或者是說我們在各地的社群媒體的方式盡可能的還是傳播我們也鼓勵第二代的能夠盡量用當地的語言來投書在當地的媒體透過這樣子來廣泛的讓國際朋友知道"},{"start":3939.637,"end":3943.198,"text":"那近年來有一個比較可取的現象是我們已經逐漸在橋界都能夠去各個橋區比較人潮多或者是說大型活動舉辦的那個現場參加推動WHO的相關活動向國際的主流社會來推動這部分是有進步而且是大幅的成長那另外一方面我們是很憂心說有關於在跟媒體溝通的這部分我們的經費是嚴重不足"},{"start":3966.505,"end":3972.747,"text":"所以這部分呢我想如何讓全球的朋友知道說台灣作為一個醫療系統發達的國家而且我們的健保制度推動三十年非常的成熟我們也有能力去也有意願去做這個台灣can help的事情但是卻無情的受到這個政治的打壓"},{"start":3985.111,"end":3993.676,"text":"那由於今年美國已經宣布他們要退出WHO所以今年剛剛我在Geneva的時候所了解的狀況就是美國的代表團全數都沒有出席甚至連同他們就地的駐Geneva大使也都沒有進去會場開會這是最新的一些情況 以上說明"},{"start":4005.403,"end":4028.862,"text":"謝謝委員長在這個比較艱困的時候因為現在立法院顯然不太想讓各位做宣傳但是外交部現在經費上面的問題至少僑會會有地補上來至少協助WHA的事項希望明年能夠順利剛剛給國人這個報告我認為還是重要但是無論如何我們也是感謝這些僑界他們是運用自己的力量來替台灣發聲好 謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":4031.744,"end":4036.765,"text":"謝謝主席好 謝謝徐委員長還有原主委沈趙偉的詢問好 接下來我們請黃仁趙偉上台質詢"},{"start":4062.143,"end":4067.553,"text":"謝謝主席 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謝謝因為最主要今天我講的"},{"start":4382.654,"end":4410.32,"text":"因為在五大課裡面希望能夠由他們自己的專業裡面繼續留任而不是借用他這五大課裡面然後再轉任到其他比較負擔比較輕的一點的我想這個問題剛剛書記都已經講出來了所以提醒提醒我們這個榮總的這個歌宴那另外就是我要特別我要特別跟全國的醫師也要講幾個公道話那在這個"},{"start":4412.453,"end":4430.299,"text":"龍總的五大科的住院醫師人力的情況的狀況那當然這個龍總雖然在衛福部配合採取的高健保支付的標準那調整及重難診科"},{"start":4435.151,"end":4456.183,"text":"別的支付標準增加住院醫師的津貼等但據本席了解真正的問題出在於過老然後籠總住院醫師平均每週工時高達80到100個小時那尤其籠總體系醫院承擔大量農民慢性病疾"},{"start":4456.863,"end":4480.089,"text":"重症的照顾急诊更需承担大量农民的急重诊或者住院医师工作负荷远高于其他医师的中心如何妥善调配人力给住院医师足够的支持这样我想这是一个目前很大的问题"},{"start":4480.909,"end":4492.178,"text":"謝謝委員現在公使的問題當然要按照法規的規定來做那現在有足夠的人力我們當然所有的安排包括加班費、值班費他們是比一班科多了一倍"},{"start":4493.42,"end":4515,"text":"同仁現在士氣是高的,是不會有問題,這個我們已經解決了過老的問題我想你們也要解決了,好不好現在就年輕人遵守公使,但是有些年輕人他跟著刀,他趕不走他想要學這個刀,時間到了,老師求你讓我留下來現在還是有這種人這種人應該鼓勵,但是我說你不要害我違反公使"},{"start":4517.041,"end":4545.394,"text":"這個是我們目前的現況以前我們那個年代搞到半夜兩三點沒有人抱怨隔天又要來上班因為現在呢現在的公私保護是對的但是呢有很多熱情的青年我們要給他鼓勵對要應該予以鼓勵好不好就是因為現在來講的話我們醫師是非常很珍貴尤其是我們的醫婦人員也非常的珍貴我們也多給他們一個如果在今天上"},{"start":4546.334,"end":4563.187,"text":"加舉上 我們應該給予最大的鼓勵 好不好謝謝召委好 謝謝黃仁委員主委請回接下來有請林楚英委員上台質詢謝謝主席 主席有請菸主委"},{"start":4576.311,"end":4576.814,"text":"有請顏珠瑞謝謝"},{"start":4587.921,"end":4609.312,"text":"主委早我們知道其實在您轄下剛剛除了有這個醫療系統的問題的話其實本席比較關注的就是有關於退輔會在開班授課這個部分我們都知道因為黃仁勳現在確定要落腳在台灣所以AI變成不只是風潮黃仁勳也特別提醒就是希望台灣能夠落實所謂的AI教育"},{"start":4610.814,"end":4626.836,"text":"本席特別關注了我們現在退輔會所開的這些課程當中其實我自己看了我都很想上比如說怎麼樣使用ChatGPT啊那麼如何在這個AIOpenAI上面的應用啊但是很奇怪的卻是"},{"start":4627.717,"end":4634.481,"text":"招生人數反而普遍不足那麼就業率更不理想那麼我其實比較想問的是說這樣的一個課程被中南都開了而且這種現在最夯的CHAT GTP或者是OpenAI的使用或者是AI大數據的分析"},{"start":4646.229,"end":4647.771,"text":"我覺得如果回到我們產業面或者是現在的一般的就職市場這應該是非常有競爭力的但是為什麼會出現普遍招生不足的狀況這到底有沒有去了解是"},{"start":4661.206,"end":4667.449,"text":"宣傳不足還是說對於我們這些退輔會的我們這些已經退役的弟兄來說他們這不是他們想要學習的部分因為畢竟開課不是為開而開也不是為了說現在這個議題很夯那麼我們來做這個開課來做訓練畢竟還是要調整到他們的需求那麼這個部分可不可以請主委或者是這應該是我們就學就業處的"},{"start":4690.481,"end":4713.056,"text":"副處長嗎 好 是不是可以聊一下因為本席真的非常好奇謝謝委員的關心我想AI在我們國家的產業企業是不可或缺的一款現在非常的重要 它是屬於高科技的一個應用委員的這個表是113年就業人數61個人 那是全年 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南到恆春一個人從北到南只有10個人在管理所以一個人平均是27.43公頃"},{"start":4957.79,"end":4984.28,"text":"那麼其實本席要提醒的是在這樣一個服務員糧貨底下但是管理卻人數不足他就會常常出現變成是有些人惡意的去侵佔來使用又或者是侵倒廢棄物那麼事實上在去年監察院的報告已經特別提醒如果說今天退服會無法有效的使用這些人力就應該趕快依法"},{"start":4986.161,"end":5000.568,"text":"依規來做辦理把它改變成所謂的非公用的土地可以把它移交給財政部的國產署那麼國產署也可以讓它有利於在需要的機關做使用那我想問的很簡單因為時間已經到了就是請問一下退府會現在面對這種所謂人力不足但是危戰或者是侵盜廢棄物的狀況"},{"start":5011.454,"end":5026.219,"text":"你們有瞭解嗎監察院都已經在去年九月提出報告之後有沒有要檢討又或者有沒有要做進一步移交到財政部國產署的打算報告委員請事業處處長跟你說好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正謝謝委員關心這個議題所以我講人員不足的問題因為人事行政總署有規範我們總收入平地農長的15%是用人的上限"},{"start":5039.424,"end":5057.274,"text":"目前為止已經達到上限了當然為了解決這個問題我想我們採取兩個步驟第一個增加農場的收入第二個當然跟人事行政總署去爭取這個希望能夠彈性給我們運用因為目前為止我們國內的薪資不斷的調漲這個15%的上限是已經沒辦法滿足農場的需求了所以說我們不管是台東農場"},{"start":5065.478,"end":5083.428,"text":"或者是彰化農場我們採取的第一個很多委營很多BOT案來增加它的收入也跟在地的小農合作來開發特色產品譬如台東農場我們跟永川米合作開發台東的香米在這個方面我們來增加收入它就可以"},{"start":5084.028,"end":5108.498,"text":"增加人員的聘用那另外一個就是您講到檢察院提出來我們被佔用的問題事實上佔用問題我們近三年來排站率大概百分之八十幾所以已經很少了另外青島廢棄物大概是十幾年前在屏東一個廠子我們也納入了管制這個措施另外我們採取跟國土社會中心合作我們今年也預計採購在我們國內自行生產的無人機來加強這個巡管"},{"start":5113.9,"end":5120.046,"text":"所以這方面問題我們可以逐一來克服謝謝委員好 所以說相關的這個部分確實因為人總有規定總額但是我還是希望在這個所謂平地農場的管理上面還是必須要與時俱進像你剛剛提到的無人機我覺得就是一個非常好的方式但是對於說這些真正閒置的土地而被違法所謂侵佔的部分我覺得除了退伏需要處理之外也可以去思考"},{"start":5139.363,"end":5163.518,"text":"如果真的在退福衛的管理上面有問題的時候是不是要做其他的打算把他釋出然後交給財政部然後的國產署來做統一的規劃這也是一個方法否則對於很多侵占人來講反正這個上有政策下有對策這個無人機或是人員巡過去了沒事那我就繼續站那這個其實是我認為在對於國有土地的使用上面是絕對無法接受的部分好 謝謝謝謝委員長指導"},{"start":5170.229,"end":5175.771,"text":"謝謝主席委員主委請回接下來有請林益君委員上台質詢謝謝主席有請原主委"},{"start":5203.022,"end":5214.79,"text":"主委好退伍會主要的業務是統籌辦理退除役官兵相關的事務那有關退除役的軍人的保防的問題是不是也算是退伍會的責任"},{"start":5217.004,"end":5220.807,"text":"對於軍人的保藏保防的問題是不是也是我們的宣導因為我之所以要這樣問是因為最近發生太多的共諜的問題所以本席不得不擔心所以想請教一下主委面對最近這幾年中共解放軍想很多方法想要吸收和滲透我們的"},{"start":5236.638,"end":5241.599,"text":"國軍根據國安局今年的1月12號發布的共諜案的滲透手法的分析報告裡面就有人提出了警告因為去年遭到起訴的共諜案有64個人是2021年4倍所以重點是竟然超過一半都是現役及退役的軍人那當然聽說主委你還特別針對共諜的問題有叮嚀你們的退出役官兵要提高警覺"},{"start":5263.544,"end":5274.631,"text":"而且在今年一月份的榮光雙週刊裡面還有退伍會的例行的月會上面有呼籲退除一官兵必須要堅定愛國的信念守護了國家的安全所以我想主委你個人認為這幾年共諜案為什麼會突然有高倍數的成長還有是不是表示現在不管是現役或是退役居民恐怕都已經成為了中共對台滲透的主要的鎖定的對象呢"},{"start":5293.804,"end":5314.069,"text":"沒有放棄武力犯台這是他目前的做法他沒有放棄武力犯台所以他必須運用一些他自己的配套包含從最堅強的堡壘從內部要突破那就是滲透破壞嘛所以他的最近可以看到的不管國安局或報章雜誌我們看到的披露的這些都是事實"},{"start":5315.389,"end":5329.483,"text":"這是他正在進行是在做的所以我剛剛前面我也回答沈昭偉的報告我們現在也在修輔導條例32條第一項的第四款要增訂所以符合比例原則"},{"start":5330.464,"end":5348.904,"text":"那輔導條例本來就是它規範我們榮民的音響的權益但是這是符合比喻就是當你如果不守法破壞了國家安全那我們當然要遵循這些一些條例來給你一些做一些規範維護國家的安全跟鞏固"},{"start":5349.544,"end":5367.545,"text":"我们国家的安全防止中共的不法渗透除此之外我想我们平常的宣导最重要第一个就是要坚定我们农民退役官民的爱国信念忠于国家忠于人民农民在哪里服务到哪里所以我们退役会强化我们的服务工作"},{"start":5368.546,"end":5394.17,"text":"服务工作让他感受到国家对他们报国从功的一个表征感受到这是第一个从根本上来做第二个当然是这些宣导是很重要的包含我们容服处对区域的这些退役的军人民众我们应用的服务组组长包含这些退伍军人组织我们的联系我们也请了战略顾问资深的"},{"start":5395.03,"end":5418.91,"text":"戰略顧問出來到協助我們到各個北東南東去做一些巡迴一些演講主要就是把中共他對台滲透的策略做一個宣導訊息尤其是案例目的也就是強化我們退役軍人的一個愛國堅定愛國的信念以及防止中共直接步伐讓我們了解現在到底是什麼個環境這些都在目前正在推動當中謝謝委員好"},{"start":5421.192,"end":5439.803,"text":"本席是相信大部分的退伍徒的國軍其實都是非常愛國的啦所以我是想說但是每一個團體難免還是會有一些害群之馬所以一旦涉及不法就會危及到國家的安全所以我是想說退伍會還是把它當成未來工作重點規劃好嗎"},{"start":5441.184,"end":5446.229,"text":"謝謝委員然後接下來上個月本席跟立法院台美國會聯誼會組團到美國拜訪然後在美國5月2號的時候我們代表團特別撥控到我們國防部在美國華盛頓的駐美軍的軍事代表團當天本席有一些注意到代表團辦公室上面的空間很大"},{"start":5463.186,"end":5465.687,"text":"然後我經過詢問說是你們退伍會的退伍軍人事務組人員在那邊何屬辦公那請問一下主委就是說退伍會是不是有派人進駐在美國駐美軍的軍事代表處辦公室裡面何屬辦公呢還有就是說那編制是有幾位呢然後什麼時候進駐的然後派駐的時候需要美國的AIT的同意嗎還有他們主要的任務是什麼"},{"start":5489.773,"end":5495.859,"text":"去美國到現在他們有什麼成效呢他們在美國進行相關活動的時候是不是需要回報給退伍會知道還有退伍會對他們有些有何業務上面的執行上面的要求呢可不可以請主委一一說明"},{"start":5506.713,"end":5531.799,"text":"報告委員,我們並沒有在國防部的軍事代表處下面來,我們沒有但是我們有自己退輔會駐外的退協的一個聯絡處,我們有兩個人這個地方是在駐美軍代表團的樓上嗎?在華府在華府,你跟委員說明一下"},{"start":5532.928,"end":5544.477,"text":"委員我是服務商務處處長我們有派駐兩位同仁在華府他是在駐美代表處他不是在美軍的軍事代表處"},{"start":5548.663,"end":5568.652,"text":"他主要是對我們協助我們對美軍的退伍軍人的組織還有就是照顧我們在外面的駐美的這些榮光會還有我們的駐美的榮民所以他們很多美國進行的相關活動會回報給退伍會嗎?"},{"start":5571.451,"end":5597.697,"text":"有關退伍軍人的活動他們有去參加他們就會回報給我們那退伍會對他們有沒有什麼業務上面的執行上面的要求需要一些什麼什麼樣的成效他們就是加強跟美國退伍軍人協會的一個聯繫跟互訪然後呢強化彼此之間的一個情誼然後支持我們這個支持我們國家相關的一些政策"},{"start":5599.485,"end":5612.028,"text":"好 其實北京是期許退伍會真的能夠為了增加台灣的國際能見度要有所幫助啦所以讓台美兩國的退伍軍人交流的管道能夠更順暢謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝林玉璇委員主委請回接下來有請鄭振淺委員上台質詢鄭振淺"},{"start":5624.082,"end":5647.932,"text":"鄭振淺委員 鄭振淺委員不在接下來有請楊瓊英委員上台質詢楊瓊英 楊瓊英 楊瓊英委員不在接下來有請羅明才委員上台質詢羅明才 羅明才 羅明才委員不在接下來有請蘇清泉委員上台質詢蘇清泉 蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在接下來有請陳冠廷委員上台質詢"},{"start":5668.375,"end":5670.397,"text":"我們請嚴竹偉有請嚴竹偉 謝謝竹偉好"},{"start":5683.447,"end":5693.819,"text":"主委好不好意思喔主委今年國安局有出版一份"},{"start":5695.1,"end":5713.366,"text":"共諜案的滲透手法分析啊那其實我們有注意到說原本比較多的是這種大型的共諜案件現役的比例跟這個退役的比例來講的話可能現役的收到了拘束比較多所以"},{"start":5714.946,"end":5730.974,"text":"比較沒有那麼的頻繁那還是以退役的會被吸收的可能性比較高一點那但是根據這個各個不同的部門的報導後來整合起來其實都有在上升的趨勢特別是以退役拉現役的這個狀況是層出不窮"},{"start":5733.888,"end":5753.456,"text":"那在這個退役啦 現役的狀況由於他們過去在他們所屬的這個機關也好或者是他們的部門因為有就是人與人之間的過去的信任所以或甚至是學長學弟之間的這種情誼所以反而在一些重要的不該出現的場合"},{"start":5754.196,"end":5776.576,"text":"不該出現的場域比方說已經退役的軍官不可以在基地的哪一個部分出現但是因為他過去大家不管是兵營的這些軍官士官其實都認識會不會會有類似這樣通融的狀況不知道主委有沒有宣導一下說在退役的之後他有哪些準則要去遵循那確保這樣的事情不發生"},{"start":5777.176,"end":5798.491,"text":"我們針對國安局前段時間它也有發布就是中共對台灣滲透破壞的管道有五大管道四大做法這些內容都非常詳盡然後成為委員剛剛的指導所提到的也有很多的案例從這些都可以感覺的到中共某種日記"},{"start":5799.912,"end":5819.997,"text":"那麼他這些不法滲透手段非常的多非常的頻繁所以我們我跟委員報告我們絕大多數的退居人退居官員都是守法忠於國家忠於人民的但是有少數可能是受到剛剛委員所提到的這些案例裡面這些場景的一些影響所以"},{"start":5820.797,"end":5849.133,"text":"我們目前做了兩大部分一個除了修法之外 鞏固國家的安全對中共的不法針對有一些嚇阻就修我們輔導條例32條我們增訂了第一項的第四款就是停止我們的權益這一塊就是符合比例原則除了這部分 當然就是加強宣導就是要堅定我們退役軍人愛國的初衷忠於國家 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麻煩請退副會主委有請主委"},{"start":6746.318,"end":6752.201,"text":"馬委員好主委好主委其實我們大概今天解凍的內容可是我們比較也一起關切就是我們在容家或容院的護理人員留職率因為容院其實在台灣的這個醫療上面是佔很重要的一個角色那台灣的護理人員不足人員荒的問題一直是存在非常嚴重"},{"start":6771.63,"end":6776.713,"text":"所以除了薪資以外他還有一個就是他的福利的問題薪資現在大家都在討論當中我們希望可以有更高的一個待遇讓大家可以留職率可以比較高因為台灣的護理師的職業率已經降到薪低只有58%所以他平均職業的壽命只有6.5年"},{"start":6794.404,"end":6798.989,"text":"相較於日本的15年美國的20年還有英國的30年其實我們差距是非常大的所以就這些部分我們還是期望就是說在護理人員上面其實我們也聽到很多護理人員其實他們的心聲當然他們也很希望可以做更好的服務可是在薪資上面這個可能是整體的考量可是就"},{"start":6818.027,"end":6831.742,"text":"他的那個福利的部分因為有一些護理人員我們這個比較特殊的是我們有三班制護理人員是有三班制的所以他變成在可以休息的時間有時候往往不多你如果有舟車勞頓你沒有宿舍的話可能還是會影響到他們的休息"},{"start":6836.727,"end":6839.951,"text":"那如果可以提供給護理人員其實他們可能可以尤其是單身的護理人員那急診還有病房的這些護理師有一個臨時休息的空間甚至是床位這是一個極大的福利可以減少他上下班通行還有增加他休息的時間"},{"start":6855.089,"end":6875.042,"text":"那這個部分我們在榮院其實本席辦公室其實有做過一些了解那可能就大概都是10%十幾%最高好像31的樣子那可是在這個部分我們希望他還有一個更好的這樣子的一個提供相關的模式"},{"start":6875.97,"end":6901.488,"text":"主委可以是謝謝委員關心我們護理人員的他的福利的問題我們經過了解有關在榮院四個總院目前是屏東榮總他的住宿率是比較稍微低一點大概才十幾趴但也超過十趴我想這些護理人員的住宿在剛剛委員所提到整個大環境的考量之下"},{"start":6902.148,"end":6920.161,"text":"我們都會積極做好照顧的工作怎麼樣讓我們的護齡員尤其是外地的外地的可能優先有些選擇要住到不管是單人宿舍或者是多人宿舍這些應該優先考量我想各位院長我們會提醒他們然後做一個普查然後來解決問題落實對他們的照顧"},{"start":6922.301,"end":6932.804,"text":"好這個部分我相信其實榮院如果說願意下去提供更多的資源他應該是可以做到另外一個就是榮家因為榮家他存在最大的價值就是照顧我們的榮民可是我們這些榮家的這些護理人員其實他們薪資不但比較少因為他還有中間透過其他的仲介單位其實他們可以使領的已經比較少了我們之前"},{"start":6947.409,"end":6951.651,"text":"有提出來讓他們有可以提高這樣子的一個收入也謝謝推幅會的協助跟配合可是目前就我們剛剛提到福利的部分其實他們是不足的尤其他們在可以休息的地方通常都是備勤室備勤室現在大概提供給一些相關的人員行政人員或者像一些替代役其實他們百分之百都已經被住光了"},{"start":6974.622,"end":6999.76,"text":"所以他們幾乎沒有休息的空間這個部分我們也請我們退伏會可以就這個部分去做一些考量還有做一些修正可不可以這也抱歉我們也下去了解農家這一塊背勤室讓可能就我了解背勤室設施會比較好一些會比那些單身宿舍要好一些因為單身宿舍它所有的水電各方面都還要自己負擔可是背勤室是"},{"start":7002.102,"end":7025.028,"text":"居住的人是不需要這些負擔的所以這個部分我們希望當然有一些人還是有需求可是像護理人員我們要留用我們也希望提高更高的福利的狀況之下這個如果看要怎麼樣的去改善是不是可以提供給我們書面資料保安我們會做個普查做個實際上的一個落實怎麼樣去照顧他們"},{"start":7025.768,"end":7030.694,"text":"好 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