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好不好然后再来我们之前教育部有公布说要给国教的老师就是有工作奖金然后导师费也有提高终点费也有提高其实蛮多幼教幼教界的就在呼吁什么时候轮到幼教"},{"start":362.935,"end":383.447,"text":"署長上司的講法好像是說馬上辦法就會訂出來會回溯到去年的九月那要點訂完了待會會後給委員好 那這個部分我想反映一下因為在現在其實幼教缺老師的狀況也是非常嚴重特別是缺教保員那其實在幼稚園裡面教師跟教保員他做的事情"},{"start":384.508,"end":408.53,"text":"其實差不多可是第一個他們導師費就不一樣導師費教師就比教保員多然後第二現在教育部一直在推那個身心調適假應該是全國各機關其實也不是教育界啦都在推身心調適假但是在幼稚園這一塊教師是有身心調適假可是教保員好像就沒有 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對不對之前是一年一次評鑑再加五年一次基礎評鑑嘛 對不對"},{"start":612.042,"end":639.956,"text":"那現在這一次的評鑑委員您可能會提到說大家對那個特教評鑑的一些細節包含可能它太多啦或是它的內容會不會不勝負荷以及它的結果會不會很嚇人這一些跟委員報告我們跟六大團體一起檢討過對每一項指標我們都予以做指標的說明當場都確認了解指標的意義跟我們的說明是否明確如果還需要檢討我們都一樣都從善如流繼續會收集相關意見"},{"start":641.917,"end":666.329,"text":"持續檢討因為感覺好像署長您是希望會後補資料那我就再重複一下我需要的資料沒問題我都會記起來第一個就是剛剛所講的全國就是有關於行政家籍的這一塊你們做檢討之後你們具體辦法是什麼第二個是針對學校裡面有一些老師兼任的行政工作比如說武祕 導護 社團老師"},{"start":668.63,"end":695.33,"text":"那相對應的應該給予的行政工作獎金有哪一些這個你有在講嗎第三個就是幼教這一塊幼教這一塊就包括比如說幼教教保員跟教師他們的各方面的行政佳績然後以及評鑑你們的檢討這幾項東西會後再補給我需要多少時間一個月有些會比較快的就不用一個月因為你有的已經在手上了既有的資料今天會後就馬上補好 謝謝"},{"start":700.134,"end":700.417,"text":"好 謝謝葉雲芝委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}