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年底今年我們會行政程序來辦理然後我們應該是今年第一期會成立這個要不要經過立法院啊"},{"start":337.054,"end":346.366,"text":"因為基本上是由國發基金還有公民銀行共同的出資那我想不涉及到特別預算或相關你要叫銀行來講到然後請教金管會的彭主委"},{"start":350.905,"end":373.53,"text":"你們保險公司會不會被拜託來加入這個融資的金額就保險公司跟銀行是它的屬性不太一樣比如說保險公司它現在當然它也可以做擔保放款根據保險法但是根據保險法的規定它不能擔任擔保機構對 它根據保險法它要有十組擔保品"},{"start":374.907,"end":385.92,"text":"對 他就是按照保險法146之3嘛所以他不可以加入這個機制是不是他可以做有國家保證機制的擔保放款"},{"start":387.028,"end":412.826,"text":"他本來就保險法明訂的來來來 我再請教高副主委你這裡面有沒有規劃保險受險公司很有錢啊有沒有請他們出錢因為我們這個國家信用保證機制是循我們現行的保證機制的方式只是我們另外會成立一個專責的委員會來那個那我們目前的國家信用保證機制事實上就是由國發基金跟八個公股銀行共同的出資然後再做再放"},{"start":413.186,"end":438.362,"text":"我們將來會希望以循現在的你的國發基金要出多少錢我們國發基金我們要看要出多少錢2000億你們要出多少錢不是2000億吧我剛才說的第一期的我全部了我都全部了我們到時候就要看公股銀行跟民營銀行他入股的比重所以目前沒有要找保險公司沒有沒有沒有要找保險公司有沒有要找央行"},{"start":439.805,"end":448.309,"text":"不會找央行 不會找央行喔不可以用台積電股票指壓喔 不會好 我再請教央行的 來賴委員早總裁啊 是現在企業直接投資2500億了 是會不會動到你 會不會跟你買外匯會不會以目前來講 我們的市場的外匯外幣資金非常充裕"},{"start":468.68,"end":490.379,"text":"大概多少我們在報告裡面也有講到大概多少 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