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其實這個強迫勞動的議題它是一個國際的議題我們已經在呼籲國內的這些做出口外銷的這些產業要提前因應所以這個已經勞動部還有經濟部這邊我們也共同已經在你提前因應你的輔導你的配套措施是什麼"},{"start":544.45,"end":560.15,"text":"我講台積電台積電在台灣我們的毛利率可能都比美國高美國的毛利率只有8%嘛那在台灣台積電毛利率好像還有三成左右三成三成多左右這個就是差異性啊這對台灣的這些半導體產生有很高的影響"},{"start":562.012,"end":585.682,"text":"所以你的因應策略是什麼你不是嘴巴政府只告訴你要因應你要因應你車子一直往前在開但是我們國內的產業如果沒有做好配套所以政府沒有輔導你短期的可能是用補助或用其他的措施或者你在談判過程當中你必須要談說必須給我們的勞工產業多一點的時間準備你要幫他爭取啊你不是因應馬上"},{"start":587.403,"end":592.568,"text":"國內的各個產業全部毛利率馬上就降低我們會來爭取我知道勞動部也會發布相關的指引然後來協助我們產業能夠來做因應我們經濟部這邊的話我們也開了很多場的一個說明會我們也會讓我們的廠商能夠了解強迫勞動到底有哪些criteria"},{"start":612.827,"end":640.042,"text":"你這個做法他們能不能做得你我心之斷其心之渡民可能需要一些時間還有相關的配套措施做準備我要再一次我最後我要提醒我今天時間這個議題今天的議題很重要很大我要再次提醒在這一次我們未來MOU我們有2500億要到美國投資水巴講講就是說我們不用出任何錢就像父母買房小孩買房子父母做貸款一樣父母做信用保證一樣"},{"start":641.363,"end":666.201,"text":"比照現在國發會的信用的機制國發會的信用機制我們的國發基金還有民間的金融銀行也是要相對拿錢出來投資對不對也要嘛目前國發會的國發會也有嘛所以不要在網路上給我洗說2500億我們政府都不用出錢金融機構都不用出錢當然要國發基金現在的投資"},{"start":671.533,"end":695.995,"text":"以100億的台幣專款來說有60%我們就要提撥然後民間要投資40%那未來如果2500億的話我們至少要有100億的準備金放進去投資投資有賺有賠不是所有過去美國投資的都是AAA的公司我們當然希望都是當然也會有風險"},{"start":697.276,"end":714.072,"text":"但是接下來這些其實就是我們擔憂的那另外一塊所有的金融業我們如果做的這些投資對於國內重大經濟的投資會不會有其他排擠的效果"},{"start":715.333,"end":743.614,"text":"其他的排解的效果會不會有跟委員報告其實這個是不用擔心的金管會還是經濟部可以回應我們經濟部其實在投資招商這個部分從目前來看其實像包括像美光還有NVIDIA這些國際的大廠都已經在投資台灣政府的投資也好民間銀行的投資也好金融機構的投資也好它能投資的金額都有限不管對國內跟國外我們以前都是對鼓勵國內的投資"},{"start":744.955,"end":764.079,"text":"我們現在撥了大筆的經費金額到國外去投資會不會對國內的發展產業的發展會有投資這個排擠的效果會不會有其實是不會的不會我們現在看到台積電還是在台灣繼續加大投資所以這個是很確定的我講的是國內其他產業要貸款喔"},{"start":772.455,"end":780.597,"text":"會不會戴不到不好戴不會的因為中小企業信保基金是另外的這一次的我們對美的投資的專款它是有別於中小企業信保基金的所以不會排擠到我們台灣政府對中小企業的支持"},{"start":792.659,"end":804.521,"text":"我覺得40%的半導體到美國去投資我們看得非常清楚接下來產業的空洞化還有台灣其他的產業如何去做更多的扶植我們是不是有足夠的"},{"start":805.993,"end":832.084,"text":"晶圓留在台灣做其他台灣產業的投資我覺得這方方面面有太多我覺得我們今天在這邊我們都要去做更多的思考跟討論我也期待在這一塊賴總統不是只有開一場記者會我們各部會有更多的責任必須要交代清楚後續包括MOU後續包括沒有交代清楚其他產業的衝擊是什麼你們的短中長期的配套措施是什麼都要交代 謝謝"},{"start":834.13,"end":840.562,"text":"好 謝謝李燕秀委員市長請回接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}