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就是我們以中央來說的話我們114年的預算數比113年的預算數增加了4705億 成長20.3%"},{"start":530.293,"end":545.123,"text":"而且我們這個預算數還比113年的時增數增加到947億所以我們今年的時增114年的時增數雖然跟預算數之間有差異但是事實上是比113年的時增數還是高的"},{"start":548.985,"end":553.328,"text":"是高的所以說你評估115年如果這個關稅我們把它調到15%談到15%其實對未來我們的貨物稅跟那個營業稅其實會再有回升的空間因為今年我們該在這個關稅談判的過程當中有一些我們該搶的訂單我們不敢搶該買的該下的訂單沒有過來是不是這樣子呢你有沒有把握就是115年我們其實是有可能是回升的"},{"start":580.046,"end":601.876,"text":"115年的税收跟委員報告有一個很大一塊就是中央統籌分配稅款擴大很多也就是財化法的修正以後中央對地方要增加支出4000多億達到8000多億所以對中央稅收來說是會比114年來的少因為財化法的關係讓中央整個稅收是下降的"},{"start":603.087,"end":629.989,"text":"是 才化法的影響會讓整體的稅收是降低的好 謝謝部長那接著我們請農業部杜文貞次長我想次長簡單的一句話就是說黃豆 小麥 薏米都承諾就是說在這一次的談判裡頭會增加 都必須要增加 增購那是不是守得住稻米呢"},{"start":631.81,"end":658.004,"text":"應該這樣說黃小玉其實不是我們承諾會增加而是在去年其實依照著民間工協會他們自己的例行的規劃因為國內蓄勤水產業的增加所以他們對於黃小玉的需求有增加所以去年農訪團其實不是政府出錢也不是政府來主導而是民間的工協會他們就產業需求去徵購黃小玉市長我想我最關心的就是說稻米的這一個底線守得住嗎"},{"start":659.205,"end":685.114,"text":"守得住嗎我想委員長期支持你看喔 你這個黃曉益已經是多買了喔那美牛 美豬 還有玫瑰車 美國米是不是就是說你已經是大量開放了喔那我們的稻米守得住嗎這個是很多農民關心的很多地方政府關心的委員長期支持農業也知道農業部該要守住的我們一定會守住沒有 你這個太模糊了"},{"start":685.754,"end":714.857,"text":"我覺得你就是應該守住謝謝委員所以你會守住該守住的我們都會守住那當然是應該啊是當然是應該啊你才是5%的一個這個那個稻米的一個關稅而已啊所以就是說你開放開放了那個美國米到這裡的時候其實基本上這個影響不大你們還是要像以往的一個慣例把它守住啦你的那個公公糧的收購價格的話你就是維持不變嘛是不是"},{"start":715.497,"end":743.313,"text":"我想该要维持我们的那个重要产业的那就是该维持啊那就是该维持你的供粮价格就是要维持不变是不是这个样子呢该要守住的我们都会守住该守住的都要守住所以就是说供股的价格也不会改变然后美租的莱克那个就是莱克多巴胺的这一个数据你也会一样守住是不是"},{"start":744.293,"end":760.033,"text":"該要守護國人健康這個SPS的規定也不會變動植物防疫檢疫的標準也不會變不會變好 那我也希望就是說基本上你守住了那我們的蝴蝶蘭這個15%的一個關稅其實對我們來講"},{"start":763.197,"end":790.108,"text":"沒有之前想像的這麼難過沒有想像中這麼嚴重還是有點壓力啊所以怎麼讓產業更有競爭力這是要持續做對那起碼不是像我們當初想的是32%那這起碼就是對很多的一個農業產業來講的話是一個非常好的一個信息謝謝委員支持那再一次謝謝大家我們也希望就是保障這個食安的安全農民的這一個收益謝謝謝謝主席"},{"start":792.964,"end":799.259,"text":"好 謝謝接下來請林思明 林昭偉質詢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}