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報告委員現在已經送進來那個鐵道局了嘛那鐵道局會來進行審議那這個部分細節我們再來想辦法來協助我們現在部裡面也在審查當中了"},{"start":289.943,"end":308.762,"text":"OK好那另外接下來要和部長討論就是剛剛我們討論到桃園鐵路地下化那我們來看工程執行方面的監管問題那這個施工期間他一定會產生大量的土方那一直以來就是我們避免亂到土方的問題嘛那國土署他也規定土方車輛都要裝設GPS"},{"start":310.023,"end":331.403,"text":"那目前國土署還有環境部對GPS的規範還在討論中那業界也都知道這套系統它其實是有漏洞的所以這邊也提出要求那交通部作為車輛的主管機關必須解決技術性上面的困難嗎那我們先來看到部長您知道有市面上有一個東西它叫做車中型的GPS感染器嗎"},{"start":332.914,"end":354.186,"text":"車窗型的干擾器車窗型的GPS干擾器那這樣的干擾器它一個幾千塊它插上去之後訊號就會斷了那現在GPS它本身的監控平台是被動的那訊息斷了之後呢它只會顯示異常得到承辦人員發現異常之後土方早就被倒在不該倒的地方那另外還有ABG的問題"},{"start":355.166,"end":371.219,"text":"那有一些不肖的業者他會他會有這個ABG一台是他乖乖跑他的路線那另外一台呢他裝在另外一台車上那這邊想請教部長那未來我們大型的交通公共建設我們是不是可以來研議就是把訊號中斷視同為違規寫到合約裡面"},{"start":376.782,"end":396.299,"text":"報告委員因為這個土方的管理是內政部國土署在管理的所以今天要和部長討論是車輛因為車輛管理是在我們交通部是監理機關嘛車輛本身的安全跟規格那個管理是我們但是實際上這個土方的GPS的這個管控的部分是國土署"},{"start":396.519,"end":413.067,"text":"因為現在有進行討論是希望中央跟地方他們都可以來就是地方也有一套他們GPS的管理系統中央這邊也有中央的部分借接的是內政部國土署他的資料不會進到我們公路局這邊來我們現在討論說這個GPS它裝在現在砂石車他們也要定期做檢驗的這個機器要怎麼來做檢驗我請局長回答"},{"start":423.215,"end":443.263,"text":"這個部分我跟委員報告一下因為這個GPS的一個部分的話它基本上就是一個軌跡的定位然後跟訊號的這個花色那這個相關的一個運作燈的部分在這個國土署那邊或是地方政府現在採雙軌他們都有一個這個平台在做控管那另外我也跟委員報告一下"},{"start":443.743,"end":469.756,"text":"像現行毒化物按照環境部的要求都必須要裝GPS所以它整個車機的規格因為他們都必須要裝GPS那我剛才也提到就是有這個GPS的干擾器它不一定是它只要訊號一出現斷點那我們再後續討論誰來做誰來做管理誰來做追查那像計程車它是不是有跳表對那這個跳表是誰管的計程車跳表這個簽網的部分是經濟部標準檢驗局"},{"start":470.99,"end":499.515,"text":"那計程車是不是都要定期也是回到就是監理機關監理機關的檢驗是就車輛安全的部分我知道委員的意思是說我們在檢驗的時候檢驗人員可不可以這個幫忙去看一下這個GPS是不是這個OK不OK的部分我跟委員報告一下因為這個部分的話這個基本上就是說GPS這個系統是不是這個運作正常的部分那個是實際運作狀況的部分"},{"start":499.995,"end":516.307,"text":"那交通部這邊有沒有辦法來做跟我也不知道真的是沒有辦法因為那個系統因為車輛本身安全的部分我們有一套這個法規在這個依照法規來做這個檢驗那像GPS它裝在裡面的話真的"},{"start":517.448,"end":546.023,"text":"第一個部分不是屬於車輛安全的項目那第二個部分的話即使外表看得說有裝一個GPS在那邊但是這個一上路之後是因為就近期的會議國土署跟環境部他們也有邀集交通部嘛對對對對那交通部這邊負責的選擇是什麼在幾次會議裡面大概就是裝GPS的部分的話大概就是回歸他們那個那因為在幾次會議有討論到就是剛剛這個委員簡報裡面有提到說小貨車可不可以開放來這個在土方砂石"},{"start":546.443,"end":565.754,"text":"那這個部分的話我跟委員報告所以就當天交通部這邊完全沒有討論到GPS的檢驗對對對對對因為我這邊順便跟委員報告一下那如果那發生我剛才提到的ABG的狀況你們要這個責任歸屬在誰這個部分這個就是國土署就會依他們的規定來開罰國土署嗎對對對國土署會依規定開罰"},{"start":567.995,"end":582.664,"text":"OK好那剛剛就鐵道局的部分那再請楊局長這邊會後再提供相關的資料就是有關我們桃園鐵路地下化的進度OK然後還有大溪的我們桃園捷運綠線延伸延伸的案OK好謝謝委員謝謝邱委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}