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我現在一個重點就是說我們現在就是農業部編列所謂特別預算190億那在幾個禮拜前我們院長也有宣布要用300億的農業的一個農安基金農業安定基金那我現在要認為說這個都需要因為農業它的變化是很多國家一起競爭所以但是在農業的部分我們要知道"},{"start":904.618,"end":932.355,"text":"對農民來講有些基礎設施是不可或缺的就是說對農民來講這些基礎設施包括說應該水路的改善所以這些特別基金跟特別預算我們認為說在傳統的這些水路農水路上應該也要編列因為這部分對農民來講他要怎麼讓他的生產是穩定的這個來自他們要有更強的抗旱 抗災的能力這個就是傳統的一些建設所以這部分"},{"start":942.998,"end":955.77,"text":"謝謝蔡委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:09.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:09:09.870000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:10.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:09:16.961000+08:00","text":"我們有請院長以及經濟部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:16.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:09:18.944000+08:00","text":"請卓院長還有部長備詢。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:29.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:09:30.910000+08:00","text":"蔡委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:31.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:09:31.830000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:09:32.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:10:17.241000+08:00","text":"院長，我想這一次整個臺美經貿的談判基本上是好多層的轉折，從去年4月的時候，當時川普宣布了懲罰性關稅，也就是說從32%再加上既有的，就是疊加所謂的MFN，到了8月的時候，他暫時性的對等關稅，就先把臺灣的部分變成20%再疊加MFN，後來在我們整個行政團隊，由我們鄭麗君副院長率領跟美方的談判，我們爭取到了臺美對等貿易協定ART，就是15%而且不疊加MFN。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:10:18.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:10.353000+08:00","text":"現在的狀況看起來，美國最高法院宣判川普的IEEPA是有違法的一個狀況，所以川普就把它轉為說用他們過去既有的122條款再疊加MFN，這中間的這一個轉折，會讓我們大家現在的問號就是說，我們完成了ART，ART就是所謂15%不疊加MFN，跟現在川普宣告全國都適用所謂122加上MFN，就是15%疊加MFN，這兩個之間是否有衝突，還是說我們可以在這個基礎之上，用ART不疊加MFN，就可以取代川普現在所謂的122加上MFN呢？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:12.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:19.516000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前來講，暫時性關稅是10%加上MFN，目前就是報了這個稅率。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:20.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:53.050000+08:00","text":"現在我們還是希望可以達成ART最後的結果，因為ART可以提供我們跟其他國家立足點的競爭平等，雖然它是15%不疊加，現在是10%疊加，所以我們還是努力爭取，因為到時候這個暫時性關稅一旦落幕，美國找到法源以後，基本上就會回到原來美國跟其他國家談判的一些結果，所以該升的升、該降的降，現在是大家一致性的一個暫時性關稅……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:53.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:55.991000+08:00","text":"現在大家都還是一致的對不對？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:55.991000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:56.991000+08:00","text":"對、對，一致性的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:55.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:11:57.732000+08:00","text":"但是我們的ART一旦生效後……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:11:57.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:02.355000+08:00","text":"一旦生效，其他國家過去談判的結果也會同時生效。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:02.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:06.057000+08:00","text":"也會同時生效嘛，有可能就會落到15%不疊加MFN……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:06.057000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:08.494000+08:00","text":"不疊加，對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:08.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:11.597000+08:00","text":"就是我們現在期待的一個最終的方向。是的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:12.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:22.966000+08:00","text":"所以在這個大方向之下，我們希望這一個ART的部分是要經過國會審議，然後儘速讓它生效，這個是我們現在的一個目標嘛？是、是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:23.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:26.609000+08:00","text":"當然，我就是說，在這裡對我們這個談判團團隊我們真的是要用大拇指按個讚！","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:31.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:12:36.235000+08:00","text":"因為我們爭取到的還包括2,072項是豁免關稅嘛！是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:12:37.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:13:37.517000+08:00","text":"這2,072項，然後這中間是有很多……再加上我們另外跟美國簽署了MOU，這個MOU裡面代表的就是未來在232條款裡面我們有最惠國待遇，也就是說，未來臺灣除了有所謂的15%不疊加，這當然現在是還在爭議，川普要怎麼決定是否疊加這件事不知道，但是至少我們簽了ART之後，我們從15%……然後有2,072項是屬於豁免關稅，也就是所謂零關稅的部分，再加上232爭取的MOU裡面是最惠國，所以臺灣基本上，在這些品項上，臺灣一些科技產業最大的競爭可能來自韓國、來自日本，我們的立足點不會輸他們，院長，這個是你們有信心的嗎？的確。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:13:37.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:13:38.298000+08:00","text":"是、是，沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:13:38.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:13:59.171000+08:00","text":"所以委員應該是支持政府現在趕快去確認跟確保我們在談判當中所獲得的最優惠的待遇，美方完成他內部的法律程序調整跟途徑之後，就會通知我們，我們一定要這個通知的時候，能夠確認我們是維持已經談判得來的最優惠的待遇。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:13:59.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:14:03.234000+08:00","text":"對，所以這兩件事情基本上就不衝突嘛！是。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:14:03.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:14:26.270000+08:00","text":"就是說，我們因為跟美國談到了現在ART的成績，這個成績是國會審議過後，美方再去決定他們內部，他們面對最高法院的判決，他們最後要怎麼定調，他們國內要如何課稅，這個是美方的問題，跟我們現在跟他簽署的，基本上這是兩條可以並行的線，這沒問題嘛？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:14:26.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03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長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:22:18.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:22:20.437000+08:00","text":"有關糧食安全，院長有指示我們全力爭取到糧食安全的防線。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:22:20.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:22:20.558000+08:00","text":"對，這都很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:22:21.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:22:57.287000+08:00","text":"不過我現在要說的是我們農業事實上要注意到一點，就是出口替代的問題，因為中國現在跟美國在鬥的，現在是百分之四十幾，也許現在的狀況不知道，可是中國的那些產品都很便宜，所以他們可能會低價傾銷。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:22:57.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:06.411000+08:00","text":"過去比如毛豆，他們以前是有銷到美國，現在開始要銷到……日本。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:07.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:07.732000+08:00","text":"對，日本。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:08.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:22.959000+08:00","text":"日本是我們70%毛豆的出口國，所以我們這部分就會被中國衝擊到，跟臺美談判沒關係，是中國的問題，可是一旦中國的低價產品開始流竄到其他國家的時候，這個對我們會有衝擊。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:24.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:38.510000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們在處理臺美關稅間因應部分，不只對美國市場，也同時看這個產品對於其他的國家，像你剛才提到毛豆的部分，我們在日本也會回防啦！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:39.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:41.693000+08:00","text":"去增強它的一個利基。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:42.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:23:48.834000+08:00","text":"部長，我的時間不夠，現在我要講的重點就是農業部有編列所謂特別預算190億。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:23:50.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:10.780000+08:00","text":"幾個禮拜前，我們院長也有宣布要用300億的農業安定基金，我現在認為這是需要的，因為農業的變化，有很多國家是一起競爭，所以在農業的部分，我們要知道對農民來說，有一些基礎設施是不可或缺的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:11.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:35.335000+08:00","text":"就是對農民來說，這些基礎設施包括他們水路的改善，所以這一些特別基金跟特別預算，我們認為在傳統的這些農水路上，應該也要編列，因為這部分對農民來說，他要怎麼讓他的生產是穩定的，這來自他們要有更強的抗旱及抗災的能力，這就是傳統的一些建設，所以這部分……","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:35.335000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:38.889333+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，除了農安基金的300億以外，我們農業部還有原來的預算，也會支持產業的鞏固及產業韌性的部分，對農水路的部分，我會去加強。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:38.889333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:42.443667+08:00","text":"好，就是針對這些基礎的部分來加強，基本上我們臺灣農民一定有能力培植出好的產品與國外互相競爭，不過基礎設施就是政府的責任，這部分要由政府來協助他們完成。謝謝。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:42.443667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:45.998000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:45.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:24:58.770000+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:24:59.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:25:05.555714+08:00","text":"報告院會，休息10分鐘，休息之後繼續進行質詢，現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:25:05.855714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:25:06.998571+08:00","text":"休息（10時25分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:25:07.298571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:25:09.012857+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時36分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}