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副院長我尊重您所以我多讓您講一些現在關鍵的問題來了幾個部分我們很快就有來釐清第一"},{"start":632.597,"end":637.933,"text":"所以ART跟NOU我們現在跟美國簽的什麼時候可以生效是不是要等雙方國會審議過後"},{"start":640.333,"end":664.62,"text":"還是現在已經生效了剛剛這個院長已經有說明了這個談判結果其實美國政府有對外說明包括格瑞爾大使這兩天都持續說因為我時間有限不用拖時間對我現在剛剛已經給你時間說明了我現在講什麼時候生效美方希望維繫協議所以現在如果說以法理來講現在已經生效了嗎沒有因為要經大院審查才會生效我們現在還沒有送大院"},{"start":667.401,"end":679.794,"text":"所以還沒有送大院嘛所以如果以法理來講最快生效應該是送立法院送國會兩方國會審議過後嘛好所以第二個部分今天我本來期待的是已經可以看到完整的"},{"start":680.915,"end":702.635,"text":"內穩了但是沒有那剛剛也見有委員提過了就說那什麼時候行政院要送來既然你剛剛邏輯講說我們趕快爭取時間ART已經談判到最好了那請教什麼時間可以送進來我們這兩天已經都有跟美方聯繫什麼時候可以送進來美方政府跟我們說明目前美國正在內部研議跟重建法律工具3月3號嗎那什麼時候可以送進來"},{"start":705.357,"end":724.557,"text":"離清說明我們確保約會待遇之後我們就會我們就會向這個協議文本MOE及影響評估送交國會來所以現在時間沒有辦法定院長我現在在質詢院長除非你想篡位不然的話你應該是要讓尊重院長的回答嘛還是院長都不了解"},{"start":725.367,"end":731.492,"text":"我早上已經說明了來再來第二個部分122現在很多的委員包括我們南部委員都講是說因為122裡面有27項台灣豁免在ART豁免裡面沒有包含對不對專屬豁免444項工業豁免沒有豁免那我們能不能利用這150天因為122未來150天之後美國國會能不能繼續授權不知道"},{"start":751.448,"end":775.297,"text":"我們也沒有辦法確認嘛但是至少我們預期的是有可能一二會持續不然我們也不用那麼緊張一二有可能之後會過渡到其他的法律工具所以我現在在講的是說我們既然已經談到了ART有27項的農業豁免444項的工業豁免能不能利用這段時間再請我們的談判代表積極跟美方爭取聯繫溝通把他放進來我們"},{"start":776.497,"end":786.88,"text":"即將要送進來立法院的審議的ART裡面122的部分它有一部分是全球豁免那我本來只針對我們的我們現在針對我們的部分因為我們ART已經談了對122對我們來講比較弱的地方就是這27票那144項"},{"start":795.143,"end":820.932,"text":"那我期待是當你三月底送進來的時候是我們可以爭取到說把227跟444也放進我們的ARP嘛我們就是希望鞏固R的裁判結果所以我要先謝謝委員肯定R的裁判結果再來我請教未來我剛剛的邏輯講完了你也認同就是說我們其實不只怕122擔心啦 不要說怕啦我們更擔心的是未來232跟301"},{"start":823.243,"end":828.452,"text":"如果說他現在2323301調查完畢之後他把台灣又把他給懲罰了"},{"start":829.758,"end":856.258,"text":"那對我們來講產業的衝擊非常大也因此我們能不能在這一次談判ART的時候也把它加入彈珠未來即便是301或是232美國調查出來有任何狀況台灣也是在豁免範圍內報告委員232目前不受影響只有未來232增加項目MOU已經有條文我可以跟委員肯定回答你的增加項目是15%嘛如果說低的話會這個"},{"start":858.14,"end":863.551,"text":"本席有看過你的說明所以說我很完整的理解我現在講的是說不管是232或301"},{"start":866.038,"end":890.76,"text":"我們都會爭取到最佳待遇部長你剛剛有提過現在美國232跟301在調查中裡面有寫到我們在MOU的成果裡面有提到台美雙方不要狀況台美雙方就未來232調查項目持續攜手會待遇我現在在講的是232也好或301也好未來它是一個"},{"start":892.097,"end":914.275,"text":"我們都會確保確保鞏固我們就像122出來的時候他是把我們ART還要再增加一些貿易的障礙那也因此本席現在在講如果說我們在行政團隊認為說ART現在談到是我們現階段最有力的部分那就應該要努力爭取即便未來美國有232或是301301都要把"},{"start":918.223,"end":923.188,"text":"依照ART的精神打給霍敏開我們能不能往這個方向談能不能承諾往這個方向談並且取得成果"},{"start":971.561,"end":971.581,"text":"好"},{"start":975.417,"end":976.403,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝洪委員 謝謝卓院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:24.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:25.354000+08:00","text":"主席，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:25.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:27.055000+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓榮泰院長。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:27.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:37.802000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:37.802000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:38.802000+08:00","text":"洪委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:37.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:38.102000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:40.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:37:55.884000+08:00","text":"今天是15號，還算是過年期間，不過我相信不管是團隊也好，不管是我們立法院，其實都已經正式上工，代表說我們為臺灣2,350萬人共同努力打拚，我們的心態都是一致的，我們態度都是一致的。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:37:56.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:07.133000+08:00","text":"早上我們先來討論關稅議題的時候，我要先請教一個國際形勢，畢竟現在國際形勢變化萬千。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:38:08.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:34.483000+08:00","text":"中東的形勢，剛剛我有聽到，經濟部部長也有講到，我們現在的天然氣存量或是石油相關的部分，主要是會受到中東地區海峽的封鎖，但是上半個月已經過了這海峽，下半個月現在已經有找到替代了，可是這是不是代表如果中東地區戰事超過一個月以上的話，確實對我們國內的天然氣或是石油是有影響的？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:38:34.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:36.725000+08:00","text":"我們應該還有安全的存量，安全存量……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:38:37.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:39.567000+08:00","text":"對，除了安全存量，因為安全存量是持續的……對。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:38:40.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:58.146000+08:00","text":"我現在要請教的是很科學的問題，我不是要套話，就是現在面臨中東地區的形勢，不知道大家會打多久，對於我們自己的能源部分，剛剛也有委員問到有沒有可能短時間包括因為這樣子而造成能源的狀況？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:38:58.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:38:58.427000+08:00","text":"這是國安問題，請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:00.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:06.892000+08:00","text":"報告委員，所以3月份的問題已經解決，我們現在就開始啟動解決4月份的問題，一步一步地把它解決掉。是。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:07.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:17.155000+08:00","text":"基本上是透過很多……我們可以提前調貨，就是跟非中東地區的部分，我們會跟他講說我們要調……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:17.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:25.577000+08:00","text":"因為我們受影響的比例，其實並不是完全來自中東地區的油或天然氣，而是經過海峽，還是兩者都有？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:26.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:26.994000+08:00","text":"主要是中東地區。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:27.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:29.096000+08:00","text":"中東地區……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:29.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:34.959000+08:00","text":"其他的部分，比如說來自澳洲或其他地區，那個部分就不會有影響。是。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:34.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:45.245000+08:00","text":"對，我們可以跟他們討論就是說，我們原來跟你……因為都是長約嘛，看有沒有可能我們提前提貨，就是類似這樣的情況，因為他總是要賣我們這麼多。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:45.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:50.209000+08:00","text":"等於我們的應變措施是可能會跟其他沒有受戰火影響的地區，譬如說澳洲等等提前提貨，是不是？對。好……","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:50.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:39:55.272000+08:00","text":"或者是日本跟韓國也有其他地區有一些貨，我們可以跟他調，再不然就是……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:39:57.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:00.174000+08:00","text":"跟日本、韓國調貨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:00.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:01.174000+08:00","text":"對、對，就是會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:00.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:02.375000+08:00","text":"日本、韓國他們自己不缺嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:02.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:03.595000+08:00","text":"因為這是對全世界的影響。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:03.595000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:04.595000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:03.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:07.417000+08:00","text":"所以日本、韓國有可能把他們原本有的貨來調給我們？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:08.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:12.061000+08:00","text":"如果有機會從其他地方來的話，不然就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:12.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:15.021000+08:00","text":"部長，我們是已經有劇本了，還是你現在天馬行空在想？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:15.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:17.642000+08:00","text":"不是，我們就是往這三個方向，另外就是現貨市場……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:18.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:26.924000+08:00","text":"好，因為你是在國會殿堂裡面，而本席要的就是確保我們國內的能源無虞，這是我們的首要目標，我相信你也一樣。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:26.924000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:27.924000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:26.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:28.044000+08:00","text":"但我們要用什麼樣的方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:28.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:39.608000+08:00","text":"我要的是我點出這個問題，請行政單位現在就要因應中東地區形勢有可能延長的狀況提出後續的劇本因應，院長，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:39.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:45.790000+08:00","text":"我們這兩天都在對這樣的狀況做研擬，在最安全的考量之下找出多元的方式……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:46.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:48.911000+08:00","text":"好，包括剛剛經濟部長講的這幾個部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:48.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:49.911000+08:00","text":"依照優先順序來執行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:49.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:49.872000+08:00","text":"三個面向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:51.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:40:56.334000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，我們看到我們有國人同胞在那邊，所以有沒有撤僑計畫？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:40:58.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:12.662000+08:00","text":"本席先跟您報告一下剛剛最新的新聞：美國對中東地區，包括阿聯、卡達等十個國家發布了大規模的撤離令，也就是美國要求這十個國家撤僑！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:12.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:15.604000+08:00","text":"德國也啟動了撤僑計畫，優先接回婦幼。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:17.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:24.050000+08:00","text":"本席知道外交部已經做統計了，現在我們在中東地區差不多有三千多名國人，其中最多的是……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:24.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:26.212000+08:00","text":"沙烏地阿拉伯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:26.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:27.613000+08:00","text":"沙烏地阿拉伯，兩千多名。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:28.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:30.425000+08:00","text":"到目前為止有沒有相關計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:30.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:33.166000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:35.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:38.067000+08:00","text":"次長，你的回答我已經從媒體看到，我現在要問的是院長。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:38.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:40.368000+08:00","text":"是啊，現在確實……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:40.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:44.229000+08:00","text":"我現在要問的是院長，也就是現在有沒有後續計畫？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:44.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:47.770000+08:00","text":"因為你在回答時已經講了，目前沒有，要等空域開放。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:48.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:41:54.392000+08:00","text":"但是現在中東地區的戰火有可能……我們當然希望世界趕快和平，但這不是操之在我們！","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:41:55.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:00.849000+08:00","text":"一樣的道理，當美國、德國已經啟動撤僑計畫時，我們目前有沒有因應措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:01.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:02.330000+08:00","text":"至少要開始研擬吧？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:02.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:05.833000+08:00","text":"如果真的有一天必須撤僑的話，包機在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:06.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:09.114000+08:00","text":"應變方式在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:09.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:11.375000+08:00","text":"以及僑胞回來之後安置的地點在哪裡？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:11.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:28.586000+08:00","text":"到今天早上以前，我們已經知道美國等國家展開了比較大規模的撤僑計畫，但在這之前，我們首先要確保的是：我們的各個館處能不能針對我們在當地的國人或旅行團確實掌握！","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:29.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:29.807000+08:00","text":"這部分我們做到了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:29.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:30.587000+08:00","text":"這個都掌握了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:30.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:31.488000+08:00","text":"本席也看到外交部的新聞……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:34.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:36.954000+08:00","text":"我也再次要求各館處及人員確保自身安全，這個我們也做到了。","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:37.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:48.188000+08:00","text":"現在因為各國展開比較大規模的撤僑，但中華民國臺灣並不是一個行動的國家，我們認為我們應該可以降低一些直接對我們的傷害……","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:48.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:48.909000+08:00","text":"並不是我們的……什麼樣的國家？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:49.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:42:49.750000+08:00","text":"不是直接參與行動的國家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:42:52.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:00.554000+08:00","text":"因此對我們在當地的僑胞，我們除了保持高度的警戒之外，也參考現在其他各國撤僑的具體計畫、落實的時間等等……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:00.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:01.514000+08:00","text":"是，這就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:02.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:04.074000+08:00","text":"外交部要跟其他國家保持高度的密切合作……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:04.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:07.835000+08:00","text":"院長，這就是本席剛剛提的，德國有沒有實際參與中東戰火？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:07.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:09.415000+08:00","text":"他們在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:09.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:17.297000+08:00","text":"並沒有，至少現在我們看到的是沒有，但德國已經啟動了專機撤僑，且讓婦幼優先回德國或是離開到其他國家。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:17.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:21.638000+08:00","text":"但本席現在要講的是，並不是說今天、馬上一定要撤，不是！","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:22.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:32.702000+08:00","text":"而是因應中東形勢，至少我們現在就要研擬，如果真的有一天或者這一個禮拜內突然間情勢加遽了，我們要怎麼應變？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:32.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:36.143000+08:00","text":"三千多名在中東地區的同胞都是我們的國人，沒錯吧？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:38.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:42.580000+08:00","text":"所以我們第一個先掌握人數及其在每個國家……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:42.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:45.962000+08:00","text":"所以院長是不是能夠做跨部會研擬？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:45.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:47.823000+08:00","text":"至少針對這樣的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:47.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:48.823000+08:00","text":"這是外交部直接要處理的。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:48.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:51.685000+08:00","text":"外交部是主責，但針對這個狀況做跨部會研擬應變，可以嗎？","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:51.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:53.487000+08:00","text":"我們昨天早上就已經全盤推演過一次。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:43:53.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:43:59.030000+08:00","text":"不要讓國人沒有看到……如果真的發生緊急情況，不要沒有任何計畫！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:00.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:03.493000+08:00","text":"我們回來今天討論的主要部分，也就是關稅。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:03.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:07.375000+08:00","text":"本席看完您完整的報告，剛剛本席有看到您的報告。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:07.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:19.353000+08:00","text":"我認同一句話，也就是第二頁：維護國家及產業最大利益為目標，我們積極跟美方聯繫溝通，這是我們共同努力的。是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:19.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:19.955000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:21.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:28.960000+08:00","text":"對內，立法監督制衡行政；對外，只要是中華民國的核心價值與主權，我們絕對一起努力。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:30.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:43.988000+08:00","text":"本席現在站在這邊，包括江啟臣副院長也提過，其實在野的監督制衡並不是要讓行政部門難做事，反而在某種程度上可以增加談判的底氣。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:43.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:44:51.456000+08:00","text":"過去民進黨在野的時候也講過類似的話，都說不要把在野的監督制衡當成洪水猛獸，不是！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:44:52.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:02.773000+08:00","text":"對外一起爭取中華民國的核心價值利益有什麼樣可以多爭取、多溝通的，就像你講的積極跟美聯繫溝通，這就很好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:02.773000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:04.846000+08:00","text":"這已經在做了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:04.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:08.347000+08:00","text":"積極跟美聯繫溝通並不等於是重啟談判，對吧？是。是嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:08.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:13.909000+08:00","text":"我們要確認美方後續的動作，也確保我們已經得到的最佳利益。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:14.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:14.389000+08:00","text":"非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:14.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:45:52.302000+08:00","text":"所以本席剛剛看完你整篇的報告以及包括鄭麗君副院長等等的講法，我歸納幾點啦，第一，美國一開始的時候是用IEEPA去要求全球，所以我們被迫要站上談判桌去談了ART跟MOU，但是現在美國的最高法院說IEEPA是自始無效、沒有辦法生效，也因此美國馬上再祭出122，後續我們現在看起來，122對於我們的ART來講，我們認為相對是比較嚴格，對不對？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:45:52.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:14.861000+08:00","text":"對於我們產業的衝擊比較大，即便現在122是只有增加10%，我們的ART是增加15%，但是我們預期有可能它會增加15%，可是另外一點，我們其實預防跟擔心的是有沒有可能他後續會用232或是301再對於我們增加更多的關稅。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:14.861000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:15.861000+08:00","text":"他有說要繼續展開後續的調查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:14.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:32.531000+08:00","text":"所以行政團隊到目前為止給我們的邏輯都是，我們既然已經談到ART了，這就是現在我們能夠談到最好的條件，不可能比它更好了，我們應該要趕快接受，接受之後，把遊戲規則定下來，我們就可以往前走，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:32.531000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:33.833000+08:00","text":"對，基本上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:33.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:34.133000+08:00","text":"是這個意思……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:34.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:35.133000+08:00","text":"請副院長再說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:34.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:35.554000+08:00","text":"邏輯是這個意思沒有錯嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:35.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:46:38.755000+08:00","text":"對於委員所講的，大致趨勢是如此，不過我跟委員做詳細補充。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:46:39.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:07.191000+08:00","text":"122是一個過渡性的措施，美國要維持繼續有關稅存在，後續美國貿易代表署已經說明有可能啟動301調查，301調查，我們評估屆時會是一個替代性IEEPA的法律工具，調查之後，我們當然希望，我們也評估它會反映出前期談判的一個成果，所以我們的目標就是鞏固，不論他用什麼樣的法律工具，我們要鞏固既有的談判成果。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:07.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:14.416000+08:00","text":"至於232，您提到的我們已得到最惠待遇，他會不會增加232調查的項目？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:14.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:40.248000+08:00","text":"我們已經在MOU裡面安排一條，就是我們取得既有的、已經制定的項目的稅率，以及半導體未來可能宣布的關稅下的最惠待遇，未來如果232持續增加項目，譬如說把原來對等移到232，我們也會持續跟美國磋商爭取優惠待遇，這已經寫在MOU作為預防232增加項目的一個因應。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:40.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:41.988000+08:00","text":"副院長，我尊重你，所以我讓你多講一些。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:41.988000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:42.988000+08:00","text":"謝謝您。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:42.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:45.490000+08:00","text":"現在關鍵的問題來了，幾個部分我們很快速地來釐清。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:45.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:49.907000+08:00","text":"第一，所以我們現在跟美國簽的ART跟MOU什麼時候可以生效？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:51.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:51.913000+08:00","text":"是不是要等雙方國會審議過後？報告……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:54.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:47:55.173000+08:00","text":"還是現在已經生效了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:47:57.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:05.837000+08:00","text":"剛剛院長已經有說明了，這個談判結果其實美國政府有對外說明，包括Greer大使這兩天都持續說他們希望維持……","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:05.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:09.077000+08:00","text":"因為我時間有限，不用拖時間，我剛剛已經給你時間說明了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:09.077000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:10.077000+08:00","text":"美方也希望維繫，美方希望維繫協議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:09.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:11.478000+08:00","text":"我現在問的是什麼時候生效？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:12.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:13.059000+08:00","text":"美方希望維繫協議，我方……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:13.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:16.240000+08:00","text":"對，所以如果以法理來講，現在已經生效了嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:16.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:17.880000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為要經大院審查才會生效……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:17.880000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:18.880000+08:00","text":"是嘛，所以我們要最快……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:18.600000+08:00","text":"我們現在還沒有送大院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:21.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:22.282000+08:00","text":"是，所以還沒有送大院嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:22.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:23.282000+08:00","text":"還沒送大院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:23.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:28.008000+08:00","text":"如果以法理來講，最快生效應該是送立法院、送國會，兩方國會審議過後嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:28.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:29.008000+08:00","text":"對，我們尊重……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:28.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:35.696000+08:00","text":"好，所以第二個部分，今天我本來期待的是已經可以看到完整的內文，但是沒有。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:36.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:39.840000+08:00","text":"剛剛也已經有委員提過了，就是什麼時候行政院要送來？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:39.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:46.346000+08:00","text":"既然你剛剛的邏輯是說我們要趕快爭取時間，ART已經談判到最好了，那請教什麼時間可以送進來？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:46.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:49.408000+08:00","text":"我們這兩天已經都有跟美方聯繫……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:49.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:50.189000+08:00","text":"好，什麼時候可以送進來？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:50.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:55.854000+08:00","text":"美方政府跟我們說明，目前美國正在內部研議跟重建法律工具……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:55.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:48:56.635000+08:00","text":"今天3月3號嘛，那什麼時候可以送進來？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:48:59.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:03.682000+08:00","text":"待美方釐清說明，我們確保優惠待遇之後，我們就會……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:03.682000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:04.682000+08:00","text":"3月底以前能不能？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:03.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:09.588000+08:00","text":"我們就會將這個協議文本、MOU以及影響評估送交國會……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:09.588000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:10.588000+08:00","text":"時間都沒有辦法定？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:09.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:12.030000+08:00","text":"所以現在時間沒有辦法定……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:12.030000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:13.030000+08:00","text":"這個時間，當然是美方有他的……院長有說美方有內部程序……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:12.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:17.055000+08:00","text":"副院長，我現在在質詢院長，除非你想篡位，不然的話，你應該是讓尊重院長的回答嘛！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:17.055000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:18.055000+08:00","text":"那請院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:17.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:18.537000+08:00","text":"還是院長都不了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:19.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.148000+08:00","text":"我早上已經說明……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:21.148000+08:00","text":"院長的報告已經說明了。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.428000+08:00","text":"院長，再來第二個部分……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.428000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:21.428000+08:00","text":"每位委員都問到，我也都會講到這一段。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:20.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.170000+08:00","text":"院長，第二個部分，有關122，現在很多的委員，包括我們南部委員都講說，因為122裡面有27項臺灣豁免，在ART豁免裡面沒有包含，對不對？專屬！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.170000+08:00","text":"專屬豁免。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.711000+08:00","text":"444項工業豁免沒有豁免嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:24.711000+08:00","text":"工業產品沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:23.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:51.990000+08:00","text":"我們能不能利用這150天，因為122未來150天之後美國國會能不能繼續授權不知道，我們也沒有辦法確認嘛，但是至少我們預期的是有可能122會持續，不然我們也不用那麼緊張。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:52.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:54.751000+08:00","text":"122有可能之後會過渡到其他的法律工具，那個是美方現在正在準備……","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:54.751000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:49:55.751000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:49:55.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:13.958000+08:00","text":"所以我現在在講的是說，我們現在既然已經談到了ART有27項的農業豁免、444項的工業豁免，能不能利用這段時間，再請我們的談判代表積極跟美方爭取聯繫溝通，把它放進我們即將要送進來立法院審議的ART裡面？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:14.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:18.520000+08:00","text":"122的部分中有一部分是全球豁免，本來只針對我們的……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:18.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:20.060000+08:00","text":"我不管全球……我現在針對我們的部分，因為我們ART已經談了，但是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:20.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:21.060000+08:00","text":"他有一部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:20.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:20.880000+08:00","text":"122對我們來講比較弱的地方就是這27項跟444項……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:20.880000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:29.983000+08:00","text":"是啦，讓我很清楚的講，他有的是全球豁免……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:29.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:33.765000+08:00","text":"我期待的是當你3月底送進來的時候，我們可以爭取到……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:33.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:34.765000+08:00","text":"會有專業豁免。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:34.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:36.426000+08:00","text":"能把27項跟444項也放進我們的ART。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:36.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:38.466000+08:00","text":"我們就是希望鞏固……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:38.466000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:39.466000+08:00","text":"我們爭取鞏固這個部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:38.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:43.428000+08:00","text":"我們就是希望鞏固ART的談判結果，所以我要先謝謝委員肯定ART的談判結果。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:43.428000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:44.428000+08:00","text":"這是我們共同一致的目標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:44.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:50:54.912000+08:00","text":"再來，我要請教的是，我剛剛的邏輯講完了，您也認同，就是說我們其實不只怕122，擔心啦，不要說怕，我們更擔心的是未來232跟301。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:50:57.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:18.629000+08:00","text":"如果在232跟301調查完畢之後，他對臺灣又予以懲罰了，對我們產業的衝擊會非常大，也因此我們能不能在這一次談判ART的時候也把它加入但書，未來即便是301或是232美國調查出來有任何狀況，臺灣也是在豁免範圍內？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:18.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:24.374000+08:00","text":"報告委員，232目前不受影響，只有未來232增加項目，MOU已經有條文……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:24.374000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:25.374000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯，我現在講的就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:25.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:26.675000+08:00","text":"我可以跟委員肯定回答，MOU已經有……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:27.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:30.258000+08:00","text":"但是你的增加項目是15%嘛，如果低的話會這個……不是！不是！","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:30.258000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:32.140000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:32.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:35.627000+08:00","text":"本席有看過你的說明，所以我很完整的理解……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:35.627000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:36.627000+08:00","text":"在MOU裡面，如果232因為判決……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:36.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:37.531000+08:00","text":"我現在講的是不管232或301……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:40.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:42.060000+08:00","text":"我們都會爭取到最佳待遇，我們會持續……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:42.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:46.404000+08:00","text":"部長，你剛剛有提過現在美國232跟301是在調查中嘛！對。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:46.404000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:47.655000+08:00","text":"委員，你如果有看過早上的報告，裡面有寫到……","quality":0.278},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:47.655000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:48.906000+08:00","text":"委員，剛剛已經回答了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:48.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:51:59.475000+08:00","text":"我們在MOU的成果裡面有提到，臺美雙方就未來232調查項目持續協商優惠待遇。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:59.475000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:00.475000+08:00","text":"本席有看到！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:51:59.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:04.760000+08:00","text":"我現在在講的是232也好，或301也好，未來它是一個……因為就像122……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:06.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:08.599000+08:00","text":"我們都會確保鞏固我們的最佳待遇。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:08.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:23.151000+08:00","text":"就像122出來的時候，他是把我們ART還要再增加一些貿易障礙，也因此本席現在在講的是，如果我們行政團隊認為ART現在談到的是我們現階段最有利的部分……","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:23.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:24.272000+08:00","text":"對，我們會鞏固成果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:24.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:34.405000+08:00","text":"就應該要努力爭取，即便未來美國有232或是301，都要依照ART的精神把它給豁免開……","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:34.405000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:35.405000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。對！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:34.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:35.106000+08:00","text":"我們能不能往這個方向談？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:35.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:36.106000+08:00","text":"對、對、對！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:36.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:37.106000+08:00","text":"這就是我們的目標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:37.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:38.106000+08:00","text":"能不能承諾？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:38.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:39.106000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員肯定ART的談判結果，謝謝您。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:35.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:37.168000+08:00","text":"能不能承諾往這個方向談，並且取得成果？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:37.168000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:41.533833+08:00","text":"我們再次謝謝委員支持我們已經談出來了的ART的結果，未來232繼續調查當中，我再說一次，232未來繼續調查，雙方都會爭取最優惠的待遇。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:41.533833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:45.899667+08:00","text":"你現在只敢講232，但不敢講301！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:45.899667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:50.265500+08:00","text":"你明明就知道這是一體的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:50.265500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:54.631333+08:00","text":"一樣、一樣！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:54.631333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:52:58.997167+08:00","text":"就是因為一樣，所以本席才會在今天特別在質詢時告訴你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T10:52:58.997167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:03.363000+08:00","text":"我們會訴求。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:03.363000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:07.728833+08:00","text":"你通篇只敢講232，但不敢講301，但不管232或301其實都是現在美國川普的工具，我們不要讓232或301變成像122一樣，到時候會箝制到臺灣的產業，這才是重點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:07.728833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:12.094667+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯，301調查下，我們的ART是最有利的基礎，我們會爭取到鞏固既有的成果，沒有達成協議的國家，面對301的風險反而比較高。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:12.094667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:16.460500+08:00","text":"這才是我們努力的目標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:16.460500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:20.826333+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:20.826333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:25.192167+08:00","text":"我們一起努力，好嗎？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:25.192167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:29.558000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長、副院長及部長。謝謝。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:29.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:30.403000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T10:53:30.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T10:53:34.045857+08:00","text":"下一位請劉書彬委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}