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這是我覺得大家最關心的部分"},{"start":591.841,"end":619.557,"text":"我請副院長來說明我早上在報告裡面也說到了現在雙方都認為能夠延續原來談判的結果是對雙方最有利的其他國家對美國也大概大部分採取這樣的態度美國也不希望談判的內容再做大的改變這個我知道這個我們就希望這樣做那我們現在談的是法源依據的問題嘛這個怎麼辦所以美方會繼續有一些後續的法律途徑的改變等等那等他完成之後他會通知我們"},{"start":620.037,"end":641.645,"text":"那我們是不是跟美方已經取得聯繫了我想由當事人來跟委員做報告報告委員我想今日多位委員都也表達希望我們能夠鞏固ART談判結果我想這個非常感謝委員對於談判結果的肯定那現在美方因應判決後的這個一二條款是階段性的美方有說明這是過渡性階段性的"},{"start":642.205,"end":659.103,"text":"那對全球目前是實價也沒分那接著後續他們會過渡到新的法律工具的安排那我們評估這個安排會相當程度反映談判結果我想這幾天我們跟美方已經取得聯繫那美方也表達說正在進行內部新的法律工具的安排"},{"start":659.583,"end":687.13,"text":"重建政策工具之後會通知已經達成協議的夥伴國家包括我國在內那美國貿易代表 GARRETTAS這幾天的發言尤其包含今天我們最新看到他的發言他們也表達說在後續的會透過其他法律工具還是希望實現協議的內容所以我們的目標就是在緊密聯繫當中持續鞏固確保我們在ART所取得的相對優勢的最佳待遇好 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鞏固原來的談判成果所以不論他的法律工具是301或是乃至可能其他我們都要確保說我們取得的相對優勢所以委員講的對 稅率數字是一回事但是我們原來有這個不疊加的相對優勢這個相對優勢我們仍然要持續的盡力的去鞏固它我們要拜託一下 這個30秒 這個院長副院長"},{"start":902.663,"end":923.781,"text":"談判團隊很辛苦在第一屆我們知道但產業也很辛苦產業這150年的變動他們壓力也很大所以我們現在說因為你們提的是所謂的461的補救措施的補償方案還有當初去年我們通過了931的台幣的因應這個國立情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例編了931去做這個相關的處理但是我們要講什麼"},{"start":924.642,"end":932.849,"text":"我們看到的政府是提了2500億美金做信保願意去讓中小企業去美國投資但是留在台灣的如果我的這個金額"},{"start":966.83,"end":969.332,"text":"好 謝謝黃委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:26:40.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:26:40.687000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:26:40.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:26:44.730000+08:00","text":"主席，我們一樣請卓院長跟鄭副院長。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T11:26:44.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:26:46.492000+08:00","text":"請卓院長、鄭副院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:26:46.492000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:00.037000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:00.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:00.818000+08:00","text":"院長、副院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:01.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:03.098000+08:00","text":"真的一開始我還是要講辛苦了！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:03.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:15.922000+08:00","text":"我想代表國家出去談判的壓力非常大，當然，談一談之後又被推翻，壓力會更大，但是不管怎麼樣，我想代表國家去做這個事情，從國家立場、角度來講，真的是非常辛苦，也感謝你們的付出。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:17.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:49.448000+08:00","text":"不過今天的質詢當然還是需要把民間的一些疑問釐清，首先一開始，我想大家最關心的，當然還是車價問題，也就是美國進口車零關稅的問題，既然談到美國進口車零關稅，那麼在車價的結構上，貨物稅可能就是很大的一部分，去年6月的時候，經濟部曾經提到貨物稅減免要在臺美關稅談判之後再來討論，所以在汽車進口零關稅之後，第一，貨物稅有沒有要減免？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:50.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:27:50.769000+08:00","text":"為什麼我要提到這件事情？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:27:50.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:28:27.976000+08:00","text":"我想汽車車市停滯的事實，我們從2023年到2025年的幾個數據就可以看出來，2025年汽車掛牌數只有21萬5,093輛，比2023年衰退14.5%，比2024年衰退7.9%；依據臺灣區車輛同業公會的數據，2025年，也就是去年，國產車的銷售數據只剩下二十三萬六千多輛，所以整體來講，汽車的銷售，不管是國產車或進口車的掛牌數，都是下降的，當然，我想不管是車商、製造商，還是消費者，大家都在等這個所謂的結果。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:28:29.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:28:50.587000+08:00","text":"過年前，行政院宣布了談判結果是美國車進口零關稅，接下來大家就開始關心臺灣汽車後續銷售狀況，基此，我想請問一下，面對美國汽車進口零關稅之後，針對我國的汽車銷售部分，相關貨物稅有沒有要調整、有沒有要做相關的補償措施？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:28:52.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:29:10.917000+08:00","text":"報告委員，去年真的有一段時間車市是比較冷的，因為普遍存在一種觀察後續關稅定案的結果，所以車市的交易比較冷，但我們已經調整了貨物稅的減免，去年大院也通過了，這個部分請部長說明一下。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-03T11:29:11.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:29:43.571000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，貨物稅的部分，在114年9月7號就已經開始下降，這是不管進口車或國產車都同樣適用，2,000c.c.以下的小客車，每輛最高可以減徵5萬元，小型機車每輛可以減徵2,000元；如果是汰舊換新，汽車最高還可以減徵5萬元，機車最高也可以減徵4,000元，所以因應這個部分，我們已經在貨物稅的部分做了調整，而且不管是進口車或國產車都同樣適用。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:29:44.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:29:52.797000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，我想這是短期的政策導向，就是減徵幾萬塊，但是現在進口車跟國產車2,000c.c.以下的有25%貨物稅，2,000c.c.以上的有30%貨物稅，未來針對新的狀態有沒有要調整？","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:29:52.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:29:53.297000+08:00","text":"還是可能就以減個幾萬塊的狀況來處理？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:08.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:16.110000+08:00","text":"這個部分其實在當初我們都已經考慮過，我們認為這個部分符合消費者的需要，而且是小型車，我們鼓勵用小型車的部分。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:17.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:24.733000+08:00","text":"所以貨物稅的後續，即便是美國車進口零關稅之後，貨物稅也不會去做相關的調整嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:24.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:29.475000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們當初的設計就是用定額減稅的部分，不是用比例。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:30.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:38.878000+08:00","text":"定額減稅事實上對小型車跟低價車來說減少的比例是比較多的，是有照顧到我們國產車的部分。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:38.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:39.878000+08:00","text":"小型車比較多數是國產車。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:39.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:30:39.659000+08:00","text":"因為進口車大部分是高價車。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:30:44.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:31:01.963000+08:00","text":"如果這樣是確定的話，接下來大家擔心的當然就是對國產車整裝、整廠的衝擊，因為包含院長、部長你們在新聞上面也提到一件事情，你們評估即便進口車零關稅進來之後，對國內車市的衝擊有限，你們的數據好像是百分之一點多而已嘛！","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:31:01.963000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T11:31:03.765000+08:00","text":"對，差不多有40億臺幣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:31:03.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:31:24.201000+08:00","text":"但是如果我們從2023年、2024年、2025（去）年看下來，整個汽車整車國產組裝的衰退，2023年的時候我們看到的產值是2,300億左右，到2025（去）年是1,900億，所以整車組裝的衰退大概是400億的空間。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:31:24.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:31:32.548000+08:00","text":"如果從2024年到2025年的衰退來看是165億，這是整車業績的部分，當然這還涉及到大家在等待、在觀察、在觀望嘛！","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:31:33.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:03.160000+08:00","text":"其實我要問的是，除了進口車對消費端來講，我們當然是希望車價能越低越好；但是對於廠商、對於我們要處理就業市場這部分的整車汽車廠來講，出口汽車的零組件確實是很暢旺，但是國內產業鏈的整車部分，它的就業市場其實就會受到影響，所以這部分在現階段我們針對國產車有所謂自製比例達35%的要求嘛！是。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:04.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:23.857000+08:00","text":"最核心的問題是，有關引擎、變速箱這些東西還是屬於要靠進口的，所以國產車在面對未來這種汽車零關稅……因為像美國車零關稅，我們不知道進口其他廠牌車廠的車子會不會因為美國車零關稅之後就會調整售價。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:24.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:32.784000+08:00","text":"我們擔心的是，國產車如果本身在引擎或變速箱的進口關稅上沒有減免的話，它本身在競爭力上會不會受到影響？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:32.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:38.669000+08:00","text":"因為你們只有提一個30億左右的經費去處理汽車產業的問題。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:38.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:47.557000+08:00","text":"如果在國產車的原料、國產車的成本結構沒有改變的前提之下，這30億有沒有真的有辦法幫助到？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:47.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:56.313000+08:00","text":"還是進口其他來源國的汽車零組件，它的引擎跟變速箱一樣持續會有稅率的問題？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:56.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:32:57.816000+08:00","text":"是，我了解委員提到的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:32:57.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:33:08.912000+08:00","text":"事實上業者也有這樣的訴求，對於臺灣沒有生產的這些比較關鍵性的零組件，如果要進口的話可不可以關稅下降，提升他們的競爭力。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:33:09.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:33:24.435000+08:00","text":"之前事實上在立法院也有討論過這個議題，如果要把這個稅降下來，我們希望可以回饋給消費者，把這個車價也稍微下降，但是後來因為車商沒有這樣的討論，立法院就沒有討論了。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:33:25.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:00.817000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得這是一個可以重新來討論的時間點，不過要向委員報告的是，因為我們提供美國汽車跟零組件也是零關稅的，所以包括您剛才講的引擎、變速箱，如果是從美國進來基本上也是零關稅的，所以用它來組成臺灣的整車的話，事實上也會享受到這一個部分，至於其他的部分當然是沒有，所以我相信到時候有可能日本的廠商會從美國生產廠的引擎廠進口到臺灣來。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:00.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:08.084000+08:00","text":"部長，你的意思是說，未來所謂的國產車在組裝的時候，我們鼓勵或可能是市場的走向，它就會從美國進口了，是不是這個意思？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:08.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:09.005000+08:00","text":"是零件！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:10.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:11.127000+08:00","text":"對，我是說零件的部分。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:11.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:12.448000+08:00","text":"我們希望組裝整車還是在臺灣。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:13.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:14.589000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:14.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:19.271000+08:00","text":"所以我想有關汽車的部分，大家還是期待，不管是針對救市的部分……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:19.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:21.371000+08:00","text":"我們還是會持續地跟車商討論。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:22.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:44.559000+08:00","text":"我要講的是30億，我說真的你要做這個……我不知道30億怎麼去幫助他們的外銷市場，我覺得這個在現實上是有困難的，就這幾年的走向來說就是很困難，所以你即便投了30億，我想第一個可能效益很差，第二個是我還是要回到核心的問題，到底我們整車的價格能不能下降，我覺得這才是消費者真正關心的問題。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:44.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:34:47.701000+08:00","text":"大家看到的是美國車零關稅，進來後會不會對市場造成衝擊？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:34:47.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:00.968000+08:00","text":"若會對市場造成衝擊，大家就希望所有的，不管是國產車還是進口車的車價能夠下降，但車價下降，大家又擔心這個廠商、我們的就業市場會不會受到影響，所以我們希望不是只有30億的問題，而是這個整體……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:00.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:01.968000+08:00","text":"對、對，了解、了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:01.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:17.342000+08:00","text":"既然有這個美國汽車零關稅的契機開始了，包含貨物稅，包含我們進口的這些零件、包含進口的引擎與變速箱，是不是也能夠把相關關稅做個調整，我覺得這個是民眾和業者想要知道的方向，可以嗎？","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:17.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:25.189000+08:00","text":"對，可以，至少美國這個部分是零關稅沒有問題，如果從其他國家進來的部分，我們會來核算，對於這個產業的競爭狀況，一併來向委員報告，我們會跟財政部來做討論。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:30.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:32.515000+08:00","text":"好，部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:32.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:35:34.077000+08:00","text":"院長，我們持續。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:35:34.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:20.606000+08:00","text":"我想很多委員都關心一樣的問題，就是這一次我們談判的結果（過年前宣布的這樣狀況）本來是非常好的狀況，大家都能接受，包含我們中部的中小企業也都在講，15%不疊加，讓他們跟日韓競爭是有一定程度的優勢，但是所謂的當初我們談判ART的母法（IEEPA的部分）現在被美國的法院宣判違憲、無效之後，我要問的是這個法律依據如果被宣判違憲、被宣判無效，我們現在簽署的這個ART，雖然包含院長、包含鄭副院長不斷強調的是我們ART的基礎還在，可是在美國那一端這件事情的法律依據被宣判無效之後，我們ART的這個架構要怎麼樣延續下去？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:20.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:22.036000+08:00","text":"這是我覺得大家最關心的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:22.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:23.862000+08:00","text":"好，我請副院長來說明。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:23.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:31.986000+08:00","text":"我早上在報告裡面也說到了，現在雙方都認為能夠延續原來談判的結果是對雙方最有利的……對。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:32.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:40.551000+08:00","text":"其他國家對美國也大部分採取這樣的態度，也不希望談判的內容再做大的改變……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:40.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:40.791000+08:00","text":"這個我知道……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:41.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:42.072000+08:00","text":"這個我們就希望這樣做，所以……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:42.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:44.533000+08:00","text":"但我們現在談的是法源依據的問題，這個怎麼辦？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:44.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:36:55.018000+08:00","text":"所以美方繼續會有一些後續的法律途徑改變或等等，等他完成之後，他會通知我們，至於我們是不是跟美方已經取得聯繫了，我想由當事人來跟委員做報告。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:36:55.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:37:04.682000+08:00","text":"報告委員，今日多位委員也都表達希望我們能夠鞏固ART的談判結果，我想真的非常感謝委員對於談判結果的肯定。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:37:05.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:37:23.516000+08:00","text":"現在美方因應判決後的122條款是階段性的，美方有說明這是過渡性、階段性的，對於全球，目前是10%加MFN，接著後續他們會過渡到新的法律工具的安排，我們評估這個安排會相當程度反映談判結果。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:37:24.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:37:36.344000+08:00","text":"這幾天我們跟美方已經取得聯繫，美方也表達正在進行內部新的法律工具的安排，重建政策工具之後，會通知已經達成協議的夥伴國家，包括我國在內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:37:37.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:37:56.790000+08:00","text":"從美國貿易代表署Greer這幾天的發言，包含今天我們看到他最新的發言，他們也表達後續會透過其他法律工具，還是希望實現協議的內容，所以我們的目標就是在緊密聯繫當中持續鞏固確保我們在ART所取得的相對優勢的最佳待遇。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:37:56.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:37:57.870000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:37:59.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:38:11.101000+08:00","text":"我們問一個問題，就是我們在過年前那段時間，包含行政院的報告、包含我們在各方面收到的，所謂的臺灣與美國之間對等貿易協定的那個文本現在是定案的版本嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:38:11.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:38:14.383000+08:00","text":"還是這個就像你們所說是還要去談、還要去調整的？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:38:15.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:38:25.073000+08:00","text":"這個ART以及MOU都是雙方簽訂的協議與協定，我想美國政府已經說明清楚，他們希望維繫跟各國已經談出來的貿易協議。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:38:27.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:38:51.402000+08:00","text":"我們大家也肯定這個談判取得的優惠待遇，現在唯一的差別是貿易協定裡面美方這個IEEPA的法律可能需要他們後續重建相關的法律基礎，所以我們現在在聯繫溝通的就是美方未來如何重建法律基礎、如何在重建法律基礎後同樣確保我們所取得的優惠待遇。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:38:51.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:03.187000+08:00","text":"我想這是目前美方在進行的內部程序，我們緊密聯繫，就是要確保他後續的法律途徑安排之後，仍然維繫原來我們所取得的最佳待遇……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:03.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:03.947000+08:00","text":"好，所以我們現在……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:04.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:07.909000+08:00","text":"唯一的差別只有美方內部程序的差異。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:08.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:12.571000+08:00","text":"副院長，沒關係，現在立法院之所以還沒有收到正式的文本是因為等美方……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:12.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:37.348000+08:00","text":"是因為我們正在跟美方聯繫，再來了解他們後續取代IEEPA的相關法律程序是什麼，因為122是階段性的，現在要看的是他們在122階段性之後要過渡取代原來IEEPA的這個法律基礎，他們需要一些時間內部來釐清與重建，他們有告訴我們，會優先通知我們這些達成協議的貿易夥伴國家。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:38.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T11:39:53.302000+08:00","text":"好，現在大家擔心的就是因為你剛剛不斷提到這是階段性的，所以大家下一個問題是150天後關稅這個部分會不會有調整，我們要肯定MOU的部分，你說高科技產業都沒問題，那個是已經沒問題的……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T11:39:53.302000+08:00","guessed":true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