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我想部長就是說我們一定有信心就是說政府會帶著產業打贏國際盃可是我們現在擔心的就是說這些產業會不會只落在科技產業AI產業 機器人產業而其他的產業我們就把他疏忽了會不會是這樣子報告委員 事實上我們那個930億支持方案當然我們經濟部分配到的額度是460億"},{"start":395.501,"end":407.874,"text":"這460億絕大部分可以講90%以上都是用在傳統性產業跟做巧企業所以90%是用在傳產因為232的部分比較沒有受到一些影響受到影響的就是"},{"start":408.619,"end":434.271,"text":"我們剛剛提到的所謂的傳統性產業也好或中小型企業也好然後那個部分我們的資源大部分是用在這邊還有就是說 院長我們其實也擔心說122條的條款到期了150天到期了我們怎麼還換301跟388的一個條款的衝擊這個倒是就是說我想就是從早上到現在院長也講了很多很多"},{"start":435.051,"end":451.589,"text":"那當然我們比較擔心的就是除了我們是農業縣市以外在這個農業上的一個對等關稅的一個協助那也相對的就是要請教院長說會不會像歐盟就是暫緩這個四個月就是我們先慢一點來審議會不會有這樣的一個結果"},{"start":454.486,"end":479.125,"text":"現在大多數的國家都希望依照原來的談妥的協議內容來繼續生效那美方因為現在他必須就他國內的法律途徑法律工具做調整那現在又發生了這個中東事件的衝突我認為會分散一點注意的時間跟力量但是我認為能夠儘快的定案還是我們最高的上策"},{"start":479.965,"end":496.581,"text":"所以我希望我們能夠儘快跟美方取得一個如何的共識點他如何來印證說未來雙方所談妥的這些協議內容會繼續有效他只是變更他裡面的法律工具法律途徑如果我們拿到這樣的部分我想請大院也能夠"},{"start":497.462,"end":521.824,"text":"緊述的合理的審慎這樣的工具對照起來能不能讓這個談判的效果及早的生效我方生效 美方也生效雙方就能夠進到一個穩定的關稅狀態當中好 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那就是說我們已經就是要求就是在美方的要求前面就是開放那我們也堅守住這個農業產業的一個利益那再接著我想這個我要跟你請教就是美國的液態乳液態乳的連關稅這個對我們的一個很大的一個衝擊你可以告訴大家這個液態乳是什麼樣的東西因為洛隆區在我本席的選區裡頭"},{"start":623.997,"end":649.407,"text":"我想義太魯是我們需要持續關心的但是我舉一個例子就是去年台乳零關稅的時候大家都非常擔心紐西蘭的牛奶會大量進口但是從去年的整年的整個的一個進口量來講只有增加了百分之零點八左右所以換句話說其實我們在去年所啟動的相關的政策區自治產業是有效的"},{"start":649.827,"end":671.819,"text":"那同樣的這是美國的進來的時候我相信特別在鮮乳的部分從去年的資料來看紐西蘭的鮮乳有提高但是美國的鮮乳就有下降所以這些鮮乳進來的時候應該會跟紐西蘭或者是澳洲彼此之間相互競爭但是我們還是會持續的去針對酪農產業去加以扶持"},{"start":674.48,"end":691.828,"text":"怎麼扶持呢我希望有一些比較具體的方式第一個部分就是我們國產牛會繼續做有效的淘汰讓他的生產效率提高第二個部分我們會針對所有牛籍做全方位的保險強制性的保險那還有再補充他什麼"},{"start":695.892,"end":715.872,"text":"對 然後相對的再來就是他們的集乳器他們的生產設施設備我們還是會持續的去做協助更重要的是我們在行銷端的部分我們去年做得相當不錯很多手搖飲店都是用鮮乳的部分所以後端的這些鮮乳的拉力如果拉高的時候前端的這些生產就比較安心"},{"start":716.172,"end":731.127,"text":"所以說產業的工具我們會用最低的一個利息的一個補貼讓他們在這一個工具上的一個升級還有就是說我們的手搖乳電我們也會像去年一樣就是說要求他們就全力配合國產的這個鮮乳嗎是不是這樣子"},{"start":735.131,"end":759.968,"text":"是的我想整個的國產的市佔率還是90%我們還是維持這個目標同時我們的力道絕對會比去年還要強特別像金融的支持我們一定會繼續做特別是保險的協助的部分還有一個部分就是最重要是後面的品牌的行銷特別是在台灣鮮乳唯一選擇我想我們會做更大的力道的來推廣"},{"start":763.931,"end":781.608,"text":"我們國產鮮乳國內的市占率很高未來我們還是會讓我們國內的鮮乳看到的鮮乳就是指國內的鮮乳鮮乳跟保酒乳跟牛乳我們會在市場上分割就是更積極的幫台灣牛奶正名進口會進口國之間互相的競爭"},{"start":782.409,"end":797.042,"text":"那更嚴重的還在後面我的豬肉這個豬肉的進口關稅減半它是不是會衝擊到台灣的養豬的產業你知道就是在今天這個禮拜天的一個開盤2月23號的一個開盤這個豬肉價"},{"start":802.728,"end":822.311,"text":"那個作價的成本是一斤80塊結果他掉到了77塊甚至還有掉到了50塊都賣一家當然現在價錢有稍微上揚上來可是這也是針對的就是要提醒部長就是說整個就是我們的補貼的一個策略是不是"},{"start":822.851,"end":846.244,"text":"有待檢討因為當我們去補貼那三家冷凍廠的時候冷凍廠他到了那個他也是生意人他不會像政府一樣是這麼照顧豬籠的所以我覺得是不是應該我們應該深刻的去檢討是不是我們的我們自己農業部也應該要有一個自己的冷凍廠這已經講了好多年了"},{"start":847.472,"end":851.645,"text":"第一個我跟委員報告就是開春後的第一天的確價格有降到77塊"},{"start":852.867,"end":880.856,"text":"那相對的只有那一天其他的都是在82到85甚至有到90塊的部分所以我想整個的市場機制裡面我們會密切的監控第二點就是說整個的冷凍廠我想由政府坐東去處理冷凍廠是最下策如果我們把冷凍廠是維持在全台灣的各地的時候那現在大概可以維持一個月整個冷凍廠能量可以維持一個月那第三個部分就是"},{"start":881.912,"end":911.392,"text":"美豬的進口就是因為這樣的一個思維所以說遲遲都沒有我們自己的一個農業部還是台糖的一個冷凍廠然後你讓這些冷凍廠的這一些廠商一直不斷的獲利我當然知道你不是要圖利他們可是我想這個政策面我們還是可以再溝通我想好部長再回到蘭花那個蘭花這個到底到底這個對等關稅有沒有疊加沒有疊加那"},{"start":913.233,"end":940.484,"text":"這個蘭花蝴蝶蘭到底他現在的關稅是多少我跟委員報告現在那個阿德的零關稅現在還在確認但是他沒有不見但是對業者來講他比去年的20%疊加還要好因為現在變成10%第二個重點就是在去年的時候我們的20可是我們的競爭對手國是15所以換句話"},{"start":943.285,"end":971.42,"text":"所以我們希望說在這樣的一個短暫的10%的疊加的部分能夠盡快的話能夠確保我們阿倫的代工能夠好 林卓傑副長那院長我還是要問一句我的理念啦 之前是林彰誠跟林卓傑是對這個名字短暫的還好 還好是不是很難所以我們如果我們爭取確保原來的談判內容的話它就會回到原來的控制下"},{"start":975.27,"end":979.035,"text":"好谢谢赖会员委员咨询谢谢主任长相关部会首长贝勋谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:35:51.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:35:51.381000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:35:52.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:35:56.366000+08:00","text":"請院長、經濟部長跟農業部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T15:35:56.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:00.249000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長、經濟部龔部長備詢。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:00.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:06.014000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，副院長不用，副院長因為一路以來談判都非常辛苦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:06.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:08.996000+08:00","text":"副院長很辛苦，副院長請坐。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:09.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:09.317000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。院長……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:14.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:14.884000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:18.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:19.146000+08:00","text":"還有農業部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:19.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:23.728000+08:00","text":"麻煩請農業部長備詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:23.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:36:56.198000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我在這裡還是要非常感謝談判團隊這一次臺美關稅的談判結果，我們也知道團隊的付出才有這麼好的成績，但是接著而來IEEPA被裁定違法，近期經貿局勢似乎又有一些變數，我要請教院長，我們ART是不是具有法律的約束力呢？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:36:57.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:37:22.813000+08:00","text":"我們希望……不僅我們希望，現在臺美雙方都認為讓已經談妥協議的部分能夠繼續進行下去，應該是最符合雙方最大的利益，其他各國應該多數都是這樣的態度，所以我們跟美方進行密切的聯繫當中，就是要確保我們在談判當中已經得到的ART以及MOU所獲得的最佳待遇。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:37:26.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:37:34.928000+08:00","text":"院長，ART的優惠不會縮水，這是我們的主張，可是我們需要讓步，我們的籌碼會不會生變？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:37:37.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:37:38.944000+08:00","text":"會不會有這樣的可能呢？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:37:39.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:38:00.893000+08:00","text":"因為現在如果法律的工具改變，用122的話，美方有一些是全球豁免，原來只針對我們豁免的項目，如果全球豁免，我們原來的優勢可能會相對減少，或者對我們本來有豁免的項目，現在並不在豁免的項目當中，這也降低了我們的競爭力。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:38:00.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:38:13.659000+08:00","text":"當然，122跟IEEPA當中會有若干差距，所以我們現在希望的是回到原來談判的內容，依照原來ART的簽署內容是對我國最有利的。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:38:14.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:38:15.960000+08:00","text":"這對我們是最有利的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:38:16.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:38:28.885000+08:00","text":"我還是想再請教一下，由院長的口中再一次跟大家報告，2,500億投資的籌碼是不是也會繼續？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:38:31.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:38:50.592000+08:00","text":"2,500億是產業自主性的投資，要看產業全球布局之後，它怎麼規劃未來在全球上的投資行動，但是根留臺灣、以臺灣為關鍵領先地位的角色是不會改變的，而且它做任何投資都要經過法定程序。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:38:51.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:00.333000+08:00","text":"沒有，院長，我知道，但我講的是臺灣提供的信用保證的這個2,500億……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:00.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:01.333000+08:00","text":"信用保證……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:00.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:01.273000+08:00","text":"是不是繼續存在？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:01.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:28.559000+08:00","text":"這也要看我們產業如果進行國外投資的時候，它到底需要到什麼程度的信用保證，我們以2,500億美金作為整個投資的上限，當中我們經過保證成數以及比例的分算，應該分五個階段進行，第一個階段，我們必須準備的是大概六十多億美元，這已經在準備當中。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:29.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:32.721000+08:00","text":"所以也是會繼續執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:32.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:42.505000+08:00","text":"是，因為我們要求美方承諾對我們有利的部分要履行，我們也認為在相同的條件底下，我們已經答應的部分，我們也要做到。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:42.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:44.686000+08:00","text":"所以我們國家的堅持還是不變。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:46.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:47.568000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:47.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:39:58.098000+08:00","text":"接著我請教經濟部長，中小企業其實需要一個更明確的方向，你是不是可以結合計畫並鼓勵中小企業站上國際舞臺？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:39:58.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:00.560000+08:00","text":"這是我今天質詢的重點。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:00.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:17.238000+08:00","text":"我們看到經濟部有一個企業創新研發淬鍊計畫，我們在這個計畫裡看到了這幾個大綱，是不是可以請部長跟我們做更明確及深入的說明？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:17.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:23.184000+08:00","text":"因為我們希望這個政策能講得更清楚，支持的力道會更強。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:23.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:25.226000+08:00","text":"經濟部龔部長，是不是可以回復我這個問題？好。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:26.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:42.629000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在針對中小企業也好或傳統產業也好，都希望他們可以雙軸轉型、智慧化轉型或淨零的轉型，這些我們會提供輔導來協助他們，當然也會增加一些設備上汰舊換新的補助。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:45.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:40:47.974000+08:00","text":"您剛剛提到的是A+計畫嘛？對。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:40:47.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:05.905000+08:00","text":"如果它是有產業鏈一起來，不是只有一家公司來申請，它跟它的供應鏈、產業鏈關係一起來申請，而且能創造出更多的產業鏈效果跟就業，我們就會通過這個A+計畫來支持他做這樣的研發工作。好。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:06.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:11.928000+08:00","text":"部長，A+計畫是不是只有受限於大的企業？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:11.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:17.870000+08:00","text":"還是中小企業，就像你講的，我們打群戰，其實我們國家也是一樣會支持？對。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:18.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:28.795000+08:00","text":"它要有一個主體性的企業，這個主體企業可以囊括很多的供應鏈廠商一起來做，我們也歡迎。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:29.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:47.568000+08:00","text":"但是A+計畫主要是針對研發的部分來支持，如果是其他的，它要帶整個國家隊或整個團隊出去經營國際市場，我們有另外的計畫來支持他們。是。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:48.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:41:50.369000+08:00","text":"部長，我想我們一定有信心啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:41:51.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:04.636000+08:00","text":"政府會帶著產業打贏國際盃，可是我們現在擔心的是這些產業會不會只繞在科技產業、AI產業、機器人產業，而其他的產業我們就把它疏忽了，會不會這樣？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:04.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:18.686000+08:00","text":"報告委員，事實上，那筆930億支持方案，我們經濟部分配到的額度是460億，而這460億絕大部分，可以講90%以上都是用在傳統性產業跟中小型企業。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:18.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:21.109000+08:00","text":"所以90%是用在傳產。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:21.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:24.893000+08:00","text":"因為232的部分比較沒有受到影響。是，好。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:24.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:35.843000+08:00","text":"受到影響的就是我們剛剛提到的傳統性產業或中小型企業，所以針對那個部分，我們資源大部分是用在這邊。是。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:36.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:46.908000+08:00","text":"院長，我們其實也擔心122條款的150天到期了，我們怎麼防範301及338條款的衝擊？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:46.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:42:52.251000+08:00","text":"這部分我想從早上到現在，院長也講了很多、很多啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:42:53.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:43:09.569000+08:00","text":"當然我們比較擔心的，除了我們農業縣市所關心的在農業上對等關稅的協助，另外也要請教院長，會不會像歐盟暫緩4個月，我們先慢一點來審議，會不會有這樣的結果？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:43:09.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T15:43:12.486000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有做這樣的準備？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:43:12.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:43:37.105000+08:00","text":"現在大多數的國家都希望依照原來談妥的協議內容繼續生效，因為美方現在必須就它國內的法律途徑、法律工具調整，現在又發生了中東事件的衝突，我認為會分散一點注意的時間跟力量，但是我認為能夠儘快定案還是我們的最上策。是。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:43:37.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:43:48.015000+08:00","text":"所以我希望我們能夠儘快跟美方取得一個共識點，它如何來印證未來雙方所談妥的這些協議內容會繼續有效？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:43:48.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:43:51.679000+08:00","text":"它只是變更它裡面的法律工具、法律途徑……沒錯。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T15:43:51.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:44:07.433000+08:00","text":"如果我們拿到這樣的部分，我想請大院也能夠儘速及合理地審議，這樣的工具對照起來能不能讓這個談判效果及早生效，我方生效、美方也生效，雙方就能夠進到一個穩定的關稅狀態當中。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:44:08.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T15:44:09.535000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-03T15:44:09.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"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