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資訊。對啊！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:15.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:16.247000+08:00","text":"但我是說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:16.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:17.328000+08:00","text":"我們的立場是希望儘快。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:17.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:18.049000+08:00","text":"越快越好啦！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:18.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:21.152000+08:00","text":"對，我想委員都有表達這樣的聲音，我們有聽到。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:21.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:23.914000+08:00","text":"我們當然希望越快越好，但是我們可以講……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:23.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:25.956000+08:00","text":"我們要向美方來表達這樣的想法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:26.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:32.722000+08:00","text":"最慢、最慢大概5個月它應該會出來，5個月以內一定出來，可以這樣講嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:34.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:38.603000+08:00","text":"5個月是它暫時附加稅的時間。對啊！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:38.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:39.603000+08:00","text":"10%+N啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:38.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:42.386000+08:00","text":"5個月之後，它還可以透過國內的法律程序來延長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:42.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:45.668000+08:00","text":"我可以樂觀期待還是悲觀期待，我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:45.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:48.551000+08:00","text":"你可以樂觀期待在5個月之內的……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:48.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:50.573000+08:00","text":"樂觀期待5個月，所以5個月裡面沒有這個東西啦！","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:50.573000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:05:51.573000+08:00","text":"沒有ART啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:05:50.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:03.642000+08:00","text":"它是122條款、150天，當然經美方國會同意會延長，不過，我們的目標當然希望越快越好，所以委員的聲音我們都有聽到，我們會積極跟美方表達這個立場。好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:03.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:10.185000+08:00","text":"我想請教院長，你把副院長稱讚到這樣，你要給他打幾分，就談判的部分？","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:10.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:15.708000+08:00","text":"從早上到現在，十幾位委員肯定談判團隊談出這個ART協議……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:15.708000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:16.708000+08:00","text":"你要給他打幾分？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:16.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:18.349000+08:00","text":"委員今天早上的肯定……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:18.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:19.449000+08:00","text":"你把他打幾分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:21.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:25.155000+08:00","text":"遠遠都高過於我對他打分數給社會的公信。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:25.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:26.856000+08:00","text":"所以你給他100分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:27.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:32.259000+08:00","text":"我們不敢為自己打分數，我們知道這個過程，產業的等待跟包容……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:32.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:33.519000+08:00","text":"副院長，你要小心喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:34.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:37.782000+08:00","text":"他幫你打100分，你就慘了，他叫你去選臺北市長喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:40.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:41.244000+08:00","text":"他叫你去選臺北市長喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:41.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:45.747000+08:00","text":"也只有100分的副院長可以去選臺北市長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:45.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:46.747000+08:00","text":"「咒誓予別人死」！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:45.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:48.128000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我現在的生活裡面關鍵字就是「關稅」2個字。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:50.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:52.155000+08:00","text":"你去選臺北市長是當炮灰啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:06:52.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:06:53.1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950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:27.950000+08:00","text":"10%+N要不要？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:26.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:26.970000+08:00","text":"現在是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:27.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:27.670000+08:00","text":"是10%+MFN。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:27.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:29.251000+08:00","text":"現在是10%+MFN。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:29.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:31.332000+08:00","text":"現在蝴蝶蘭要課稅了嘛，對不對？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:31.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:33.013000+08:00","text":"但是現在之前是20%+……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:33.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:34.534000+08:00","text":"茶葉也要課稅了，是不是這樣？","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:34.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:35.534000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:35.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:36.534000+08:00","text":"現在之前是20%+MFN。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:36.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:37.534000+08:00","text":"零並沒有生效，因為ART還沒有生效。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:37.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:38.534000+08:00","text":"報告委員，原來蝴蝶蘭MFN是零，所以之前是20%，現在是10%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:36.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:36.916000+08:00","text":"汽車零關稅是不是確定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:52.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:08:54.177000+08:00","text":"那要等到大院通過以後生效才是……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:08:54.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:00.044000+08:00","text":"那要等到大院生效以後，再修關稅法，才會生效。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:00.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:01.044000+08:00","text":"關稅條例嘛！對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:01.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:02.044000+08:00","text":"對，這有幾個程序。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:01.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:03.448000+08:00","text":"關稅前面有委員問，我很認真在聽啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:03.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:04.949000+08:00","text":"程序上大院……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:04.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:10.155000+08:00","text":"我覺得要怎麼因應，影響很大、影響很大！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:10.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:12.558000+08:00","text":"決議通過以後，然後才……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:12.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:18.824000+08:00","text":"30萬的從業人員，汽車業加上汽車零組件從業人員約30萬。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:18.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:22.608000+08:00","text":"它是包括了零組件還有一些銷售人員。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:22.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:26.352000+08:00","text":"具體來說，有沒有可能對關鍵的零組件，我們也給它降為零關稅，有可能嗎？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:31.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:34.501000+08:00","text":"如果生效的話，美國的零組件進來是零關稅。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:34.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:35.501000+08:00","text":"日本來的……我們的引擎很多是跟日本買的。是啊！","quality":0.211},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:35.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:42.069000+08:00","text":"日本來的可不可以零關稅？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:42.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:46.173000+08:00","text":"那就是看立法院跟財政部的態度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:46.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:46.714000+08:00","text":"財政部喔？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:46.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:48.155000+08:00","text":"財政部長坐在那裡啊！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:48.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:09:58.239000+08:00","text":"但是我就講，如果汽車是零關稅，我就要修法讓關鍵零組件通通零關稅，不然汽車業要全部垮了啊！是啊！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:09:58.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:02.640000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣，也請委員將這樣的降稅可以回饋給消費者。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:03.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:03.580000+08:00","text":"當然啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:03.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:03.981000+08:00","text":"這個當然要回饋給消費者。對。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:04.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:39.638000+08:00","text":"來，我們來看，院長還很稱讚副院長，結果我們現在最少要投資20兆，2,500億直接投資，就是2,500億的信保投資，還有買八百多億，還有我們要去蓋阿拉斯加天然氣的基本設施，這是一千多億美金，加一加最少20兆以上，結果我們還被人家罵臺灣是晶片小偷耶！","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:42.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:56.447000+08:00","text":"6次了，川普總統講了6次，從他選舉開始，在選上之前講3次，選後講3次，最近還在講，你們同意嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:56.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:56.747000+08:00","text":"不同意！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:58.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:10:59.389000+08:00","text":"院長，你同意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:10:59.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:09.456000+08:00","text":"我們的晶片是靠國內企業自主研發各種新的製程，所以我們的晶片取得全世界領先的地位。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:09.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:10.116000+08:00","text":"院長，你可不可以照我寫的那樣？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:11.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:18.822000+08:00","text":"事實是原來美國不做，交給日本，後來日本交給臺灣，事實上就是這樣！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:18.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:21.404000+08:00","text":"我們有跟美方說明臺灣的半導體產業是數十年……","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:21.404000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:23.185000+08:00","text":"但是他為什麼一直講？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:23.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:25.446000+08:00","text":"數十年我們發展出來的成果。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:25.446000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:26.446000+08:00","text":"先進製程都是我們自己在臺灣研發的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:25.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:30.749000+08:00","text":"川普現在是世界強人，他講話多有影響力啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:30.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:37.593000+08:00","text":"但是我要請委員記住，副院長回來那一天講過一句話：「全世界看見臺灣產業關鍵的力量！","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:38.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:40.275000+08:00","text":"」這句話才是對臺灣真正的寫照。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:40.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:41.656000+08:00","text":"川普要看見啊！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:41.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:46.178000+08:00","text":"到現在為止，川普在選前講3次，選後講3次……","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:46.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:11:51.619000+08:00","text":"美國有它要振興……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:11:51.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:10.682000+08:00","text":"他在選前講3次，2023年在競選時就講了，接受彭博商業周刊專訪時也講了，在《喬羅根體驗》也講了，選上以後簽署關稅備忘錄，在2025年2月的時候就講了，2025年3月也講，到今（2026）年又講，6次了！6次！","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:11.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:18.346000+08:00","text":"他是美國總統，他的喇叭很大，現在全世界大家都很怕他，也很尊敬他，哇！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:18.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:19.766000+08:00","text":"川普厲害！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:19.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:21.506000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:21.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:24.967000+08:00","text":"大家都很怕他，我們的政策就是抱著大腿。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:25.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:30.189000+08:00","text":"報告委員，事實上他也稱讚過臺灣的半導體產業非常棒，也講了非常多次。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:30.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:32.489000+08:00","text":"但是他說我們是小偷耶！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:33.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:34.149000+08:00","text":"你們也去……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:34.149000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:35.149000+08:00","text":"也說魏哲家總裁跟董事長非常棒。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:35.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:37.070000+08:00","text":"你們要抗議一下，你們能不能講一下？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:37.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:38.391000+08:00","text":"院長，你要不要講一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:39.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:43.292000+08:00","text":"說這是美國不做了，交給日本，日本後來交給臺灣，那個故事是這樣耶！","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:43.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:45.434000+08:00","text":"你要不要講一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:45.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:50.203000+08:00","text":"所以我們有自主研發，把整個製程提升到現在這種程度。對。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:12:50.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:12:59.730000+08:00","text":"全世界也沒有辦法有人可以學習像我們現在這樣的製程、這樣的良率，所以川普總統也說過我們魏哲家董事長是一個legend。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:00.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:01.752000+08:00","text":"沒有，我希望你在這裡……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:01.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:07.796000+08:00","text":"委員，容我也跟您補充一下，我們有清楚跟美方表達……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:07.796000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:08.796000+08:00","text":"但他還是講啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:07.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:10.258000+08:00","text":"臺灣半導體產業……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:10.258000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:11.258000+08:00","text":"他還繼續講啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:10.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:25.486000+08:00","text":"讓我跟您補充一下，臺灣半導體產業是臺灣數十年來發展出來的成果，美方有它想要振興製造業以及它要提升半導體產業自給率的目標，不過我們跟它所談的是供應鏈的合作……","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:25.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:26.486000+08:00","text":"你們會不會擔心啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:26.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:27.486000+08:00","text":"院長、副院長、部長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:25.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:37.691000+08:00","text":"以臺灣模式，企業自主、產業延伸的前提下，跟它進行產業的供應鏈合作，所以我們還是有我們自己的戰略目標，來達成投資MOU的共識。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:40.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:42.053000+08:00","text":"好，那我請院長在這裡──國會殿堂，雖然我們的喇叭小，沒關係！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:42.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:46.156000+08:00","text":"我們有志氣，大聲講出來：「我們不是晶片小偷！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:46.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.137000+08:00","text":"」可以請你講嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.417000+08:00","text":"我們當然不是。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.417000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:48.417000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛講過啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:48.417000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:49.417000+08:00","text":"臺灣不是！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:49.417000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:50.417000+08:00","text":"請你再講一遍。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.537000+08:00","text":"臺灣對美方也都講過了……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:47.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:48.537000+08:00","text":"他還是這樣講啊！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:48.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:49.599000+08:00","text":"臺灣的先進製程早遠超過當初我們……我在……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:49.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:50.619000+08:00","text":"表示你講了，川普不買單，還繼續講啊！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:50.619000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:13:51.619000+08:00","text":"這個東西是這樣！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:13:50.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:19.333000+08:00","text":"來，我們來看，大家很擔心我們的台積電總共要去5個廠，大家很擔心年輕人的工作機會可能沒有了，有人統計過……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:20.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:22.654000+08:00","text":"沒有喔，台積電在國內一直找人、一直找人，都找不到。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:22.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:27.875000+08:00","text":"部長，你不要一直插嘴，部長不能一直插嘴，院長比你有修養，院長都沒有插嘴，你一直插嘴。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:28.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:28.835000+08:00","text":"反映一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:28.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:29.555000+08:00","text":"部長，請你不要插嘴！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:29.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:30.275000+08:00","text":"請你不要插嘴！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:31.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:43.476000+08:00","text":"大家有這個擔心，我們下一代原來好的工作機會可能要去美國了，不是每一個人都可以去美國，對不對？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:43.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:14:46.378000+08:00","text":"現在來講的話，怎麼樣根留臺灣？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:14:46.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:04.358000+08:00","text":"雖然你們講很多了，我就提一個具體的建議，請你們承諾，所有去美國投資的，matching funds、對等投資，投資一塊錢美國，投資一塊錢臺灣，可以嗎？","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:04.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:05.099000+08:00","text":"做得到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:06.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:08.622000+08:00","text":"請院長公開在這裡承諾。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:08.622000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:09.622000+08:00","text":"現在我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:09.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:12.285000+08:00","text":"你先不要講，我問院長，你不是院長，你是部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:12.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:12.886000+08:00","text":"院長，請你承諾，可不可以根留臺灣……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:20.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:20.351000+08:00","text":"我們在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:20.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:21.731000+08:00","text":"有這個決心，投資一塊錢美國，就投資一塊錢臺灣，這個叫做根留臺灣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:21.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:30.877000+08:00","text":"我們對外的投資都要經過國內的投審，在審查的過程當中，我們第一個希望它根留臺灣，但根留臺灣有很多的方式，這是其中一個很具體的。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:30.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:31.877000+08:00","text":"我就問你這個具體的，你要不要承諾嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:31.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:32.877000+08:00","text":"在國內要投資……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:32.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:33.877000+08:00","text":"你要不要承諾嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:33.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:34.877000+08:00","text":"是臺灣在國外加一，不是把臺灣移出去。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:34.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:35.877000+08:00","text":"你都不敢承諾。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:35.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:36.877000+08:00","text":"產業是加一，我說過啦，我們根留臺灣的方式，這個很具體，就是這個樣子，一定要在臺灣保存產業的力量。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:36.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:37.877000+08:00","text":"這就是matching funds，這樣的投資才會讓我們的年輕人安心啊！是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:37.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:38.877000+08:00","text":"不然大家想說產業都出走美國，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:31.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:56.503000+08:00","text":"委員，我們是加法，不是減法，是產業的延伸……對啊！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:56.503000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:57.503000+08:00","text":"我也是加法啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:57.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:58.724000+08:00","text":"不會在臺灣減法，一定擴大投資臺灣。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:58.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:15:59.724000+08:00","text":"所以投資美國一塊錢、投資臺灣一塊錢，這是加法啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:59.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:00.724000+08:00","text":"怎麼不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:15:58.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:04.305000+08:00","text":"現在企業都在積極的擴大投資臺灣，我們也在推動擴大投資臺灣方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:04.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:05.305000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們現在的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:05.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:06.305000+08:00","text":"大家很擔心下一代的工作機會。來！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:06.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:07.305000+08:00","text":"我們繼續看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:04.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:05.585000+08:00","text":"我們現在的審議機制其實就已經要求這樣了，已經要求這樣了。","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:05.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:06.585000+08:00","text":"部長，已經要求了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:05.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:06.505000+08:00","text":"對，已經要求這樣，國內投資一定要有，我們才會放行。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:20.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:22.950000+08:00","text":"投資一塊錢美國、投資一塊錢臺灣，有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:22.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:24.951000+08:00","text":"對，包括更多，要投資國內。有嗎？是的。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:24.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:32.536000+08:00","text":"那這樣子我們就可以期待，投資5,000美金，就投資5,000美金在臺灣囉？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:32.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:36.698000+08:00","text":"單一企業他們就是這樣子，我們在審議case bycase就是這樣審議。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:36.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:37.698000+08:00","text":"你把詳細的資料給我，我打一個很大的問號。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:36.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:16:40.561000+08:00","text":"據我們了解，我們產業在國內投資的規模大於在國外。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:16:40.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:15.996000+08:00","text":"我們看到美國打伊朗，這個事情不管怎麼樣，川普總統這兩天又講了，他說打四週到五週，可能打更長，不排除派地面部隊去，那完蛋了，這對我們來說，臺灣96%的能源是依賴進口的，經過荷姆茲海峽的有60%的石油、三分之一的天然氣，它現在全部關閉，他們說不准一滴油跑出去，對我們來講是很大的壓力哦！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:17.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:21.777000+08:00","text":"這個東西，你們說會找替代的國家，請問找其他哪幾個國家？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:22.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:23.878000+08:00","text":"部長，你可以回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:23.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:37.727000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我剛才講現在提供我們天然氣的大概有十幾個國家嘛，那經過你剛才講的荷姆茲海峽的大概有20%到30%，沒有錯，那我剛才講的就是說3月份的部分……","quality":0.734},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:37.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:38.888000+08:00","text":"替代找哪些國家啦？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:39.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:39.809000+08:00","text":"因為我時間到了，你又跟我……","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:40.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:42.350000+08:00","text":"對，3月份的部分，我們都已經找到了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:42.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:43.611000+08:00","text":"找哪幾個國家替代的？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:44.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:46.593000+08:00","text":"就是包括澳洲，包括其他的部分。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:47.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:48.835000+08:00","text":"包括什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:48.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:51.337000+08:00","text":"美國，你剛好多跟美國買，這時候多跟美國買呀！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:51.337000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:17:52.518000+08:00","text":"美國也有，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:17:52.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:00.945000+08:00","text":"我們的油價有一個公式，萬一它漲很兇，現在開始一直漲，院長，要不要啟動凍漲機制？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:03.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:07.704000+08:00","text":"如果對國內的民生經濟造成重大衝擊的時候，當然就會處理。凍漲。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:07.704000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:08.704000+08:00","text":"明天會召開物價穩定小組會議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:07.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:08.565000+08:00","text":"凍漲，這個東西包括電價，都影響到我們的CPI，影響到民生……","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:09.065000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:10.493571+08:00","text":"我們會評估。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:10.793571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:13.365000+08:00","text":"請幾位長官認真思考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:13.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:17.950714+08:00","text":"明天會召開物價穩定會議加以評估。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:18.250714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:20.822143+08:00","text":"老百姓生活很艱苦啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:21.122143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:24.836429+08:00","text":"安定民生為最優先的考量，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭副院長麗君","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:25.136429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:26.279286+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:26.579286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:32.865000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員，謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長、經濟部長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-03T16:18:33.165000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-03T16:18:38.593571+08:00","text":"接下來請李坤城委員質詢，許宇甄委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}